Didn't see this one coming. I thought Nash would go to Toronto or New York if he left Phoenix.
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/07/04/s...s=iref:nbahpt1
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Didn't see this one coming. I thought Nash would go to Toronto or New York if he left Phoenix.
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/07/04/s...s=iref:nbahpt1
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Originally Posted by Muck Ficon
I didn't see this one coming, either.
While Nash is a great player, I don't know how he'll fit with this team.
He's also going to be 39 in February. While he looked good this past season, eventually age takes its toll, especially in basketball.
Would be nice if they could manage to get Dwight Howard, because Bynum is just too inconsistent, and they need another legitimate superstar with Kobe aging (and playing since age 18).
Worst than a Dodger signing...Senoir citizen basketball time...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffQuote:
Originally Posted by Muck Ficon
He's also going to be 39 in February. While he looked good this past season, eventually age takes its toll, especially in basketball.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...ign-trade-deal
As much as I hate LA and Kobe it will make the Lakers more enjoyable to watch. Will be interesting to see how Kobe can play with a 'real' PG after over a decade with the triangle system and last year's Ramon Sessions debacle.
I still don't think it puts them near contention with the Thunder but who knows?
If Nash has anything left watch out for that offense. Lobbin to bynum and gasol and creating for Kobe. Still think the thunder are the team to beat.
I don't like this move at all. Nash has always been suspect defensively (hence why Pheonix could never get past San Antonio --Parker ran circles around him) and at 39 what is he really bringing to the table other than pinpoint passing and experience? The Lakers got smooshed by Russel Westbrook, what do you think Westbrook is going to do to Nash??? The good news is they gave up very little to get him since Laker draft picks will all be #20+ barring some catastrophic decline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffWOWQuote:
Originally Posted by Muck Ficon
I didn't see this one coming, either.
While Nash is a great player, I don't know how he'll fit with this team.
He's also going to be 39 in February. While he looked good this past season, eventually age takes its toll, especially in basketball.
Would be nice if they could manage to get Dwight Howard, because Bynum is just too inconsistent, and they need another legitimate superstar with Kobe aging (and playing since age 18).
Also, if you think Bynum is inconsistent you need to watch more Orlando Magic games, some nights Howard throws up airballs from 3' away.
Here is what you got with Bynum: .558 FG% -- 11.8 RPG -- 1.9 BPG -- 18.7 PPG. Is Howard really that much of an upgrade at 20.6 PPG-- 14.5 RPG -- and 2.1 BPG? his scoring and rebounding is likely to go down on the Lakers (Blocks will likely improve though), who have a far better supporting cast than the Magic. Trading anything but Bynum and some bench players to land Howard is a bad move in my opinion, you can't give up Bynum and anything else substantial
I had my eggs sunny side up this morning y'all
#YOLOYALL
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...ign-trade-dealQuote:
Nash will receive a three-year deal for an estimated $27 million because the Suns ultimately agreed to sign-and-trade him to the Lakers, who can absorb Nash via the trade exception they created by dealing Lamar Odom to the Dallas Mavericks in December.
In return, the Suns get four draft picks -- first rounders in 2013 and 2015 and second rounders in 2013 and 2014.
:facepalm3
So wait a minute, this is a 3-year contract?
Do they not realize that he will be turning 41 during the middle of the third season?
Maybe I should consider trying to sign with the Lakers, since I am slightly taller than Nash and will be turning 41 during the upcoming Lakers' season, and apparently that's okay.
I'll even take an NBA minimum contract, instead of $9 million per year.
Get Kupchak on the phone.
At least they will be parting ways with Ramon Sessions, who was horrendous during the playoffs.
No doubt that Nash will make the team better next year, but what about the next two years after that?
Also, I still don't see how adding a 39-year-old will enable them to solve their longtime problem of being able to handle quick guards against them. They still won't match up well with OKC.
While you might not have any value to the Lakers for the first part of the year, your expiring contract may very well make you a much-talked-about hot commodity on the trade market. Lock up as much dough as you can. Try to get more than whatever the midlevel exception goes for nowadays, probably around 6 mil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
You have absolulety no knowledge about bball. Nash is the best PG in the league with the mst playoff exp and 2 mvp's. Stick to baseball Druff
You basically posted the same thing I just did about OKC, except in more detail. For the last 2 decades at least, the Lakers have not been able to handle quick guards. They were good enough at times to win some titles despite that, but the current version of the team isn't, and Nash does nothing to address that deficiency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-OI don't like this move at all. Nash has always been suspect defensively (hence why Pheonix could never get past San Antonio --Parker ran circles around him) and at 39 what is he really bringing to the table other than pinpoint passing and experience? The Lakers got smooshed by Russel Westbrook, what do you think Westbrook is going to do to Nash??? The good news is they gave up very little to get him since Laker draft picks will all be #20+ barring some catastrophic decline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Also, if you think Bynum is inconsistent you need to watch more Orlando Magic games, some nights Howard throws up airballs from 3' away.
Here is what you got with Bynum: .558 FG% -- 11.8 RPG -- 1.9 BPG -- 18.7 PPG. Is Howard really that much of an upgrade at 20.6 PPG-- 14.5 RPG -- and 2.1 BPG? his scoring and rebounding is likely to go down on the Lakers (Blocks will likely improve though), who have a far better supporting cast than the Magic. Trading anything but Bynum and some bench players to land Howard is a bad move in my opinion, you can't give up Bynum and anything else substantial
I also agree that they shouldn't give up a lot besides Bynum to obtain Howard.
Nash WAS a very good PG, he's not even Top 10 right now unless you find the perfect team for him to play on, and the Lakers are not it. Nash thrives in the open court creating fast break opportunities. He's a terrible one-on-one defender, has a questionable jump shot, and HE's 39! I will give you that he is excellent in the pick & Roll which could be huge with GasolQuote:
Originally Posted by OSA
Didn't see the original thread on this, my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffYou basically posted the same thing I just did about OKC, except in more detail. For the last 2 decades at least, the Lakers have not been able to handle quick guards. They were good enough at times to win some titles despite that, but the current version of the team isn't, and Nash does nothing to address that deficiency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
I also agree that they shouldn't give up a lot besides Bynum to obtain Howard.
Pretty wild free agency so far. LOL at the Mavs completely striking out and LOL at the Knicks just now signing Jason Kidd (3 years/$9 mil)
Kudos to the Nets for being able to keep Deron Williams but I'm not sure how Joe Johnson will translate on that team. He's basically a poor man's Carmelo Anthony, and they've gutted themselves for a nucleus of Deron/Joe Johnson/Gerald Wallace? Landing Dwight seems impossible now.
Only way the Lakers are relevant is to get Dwight. I'm not sure how Kobe will work with Nash after years in the triangle where the PG didn't really matter. Hopefully they're awful.
that lazy eyed freak used to be good.
Joe Johnson can play, and his game is nothing like Melo; he's more of a stockier "Poor Man's" Ray Allen. He can score when he needs to, and he doesn't mind taking a back seat either. Solid defender as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy JoeDidn't see the original thread on this, my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Pretty wild free agency so far. LOL at the Mavs completely striking out and LOL at the Knicks just now signing Jason Kidd (3 years/$9 mil)
Kudos to the Nets for being able to keep Deron Williams but I'm not sure how Joe Johnson will translate on that team. He's basically a poor man's Carmelo Anthony, and they've gutted themselves for a nucleus of Deron/Joe Johnson/Gerald Wallace? Landing Dwight seems impossible now.
Only way the Lakers are relevant is to get Dwight. I'm not sure how Kobe will work with Nash after years in the triangle where the PG didn't really matter. Hopefully they're awful.
Nash is a definite upgrade over Blake/Sessions. He's also the best pure shooting point guard in the game (was 3rd in the league this year in effective field goal %, 5th in true shooting %) both highest among point guards. He also doesn't need to shoot much, which will do well on a team with Kobe, Bynum, and Pau. I think the Lakers won't make any more big moves, but who knows.
lol questionable jump shot? He shot 53% from the field last season, and around 25% of his shots were 3's, which he shot 39% from there. He's also a genetic freak, and takes meticulous care of his body, he's less of an injury risk at 38 then many of the younger point guards who have shitty bodies (Derrick Rose, Rondo).Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-ONash WAS a very good PG, he's not even Top 10 right now unless you find the perfect team for him to play on, and the Lakers are not it. Nash thrives in the open court creating fast break opportunities. He's a terrible one-on-one defender, has a questionable jump shot, and HE's 39! I will give you that he is excellent in the pick & Roll which could be huge with GasolQuote:
Originally Posted by OSA
That's also his career high, and he hasn't shot above 40% for the past two years from the 3-pt line (not to mention he is only scoring 12 and 14 PPG in those years. Also, there is a big difference between a spot-up shooter and a jump-shooter. Nash is a spot-up shooter which is why he thrives in the fast-break. The Lakers are not really a fast-break team, and Nash isn't going to find himself as the trail in the fast-break as much as he did in Pheonix --I would imagine that Steve nash's 3-pt% correlates to the number of PPG his team scores.... Did a little checking: Last year they were 8th, in his best shooting years they were #1, #1, #1, and #3Quote:
Originally Posted by gutlol questionable jump shot? He shot 53% from the field last season, and around 25% of his shots were 3's, which he shot 39% from there. He's also both a genetic freak, and takes meticulous care of his body, he's less of an injury risk at 38 then many of the younger point guards who have shitty bodies (Derrick Rose).Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
Problem isn't the injury risk, more of deterioration of skills at his age. Not so worried about the upcoming season (as he looked very good last season), but more about the two seasons after that. How many really effective 41-year-olds do you remember from the NBA?Quote:
Originally Posted by gutlol questionable jump shot? He shot 53% from the field last season, and around 25% of his shots were 3's, which he shot 39% from there. He's also a genetic freak, and takes meticulous care of his body, he's less of an injury risk at 38 then many of the younger point guards who have shitty bodies (Derrick Rose, Rondo).Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
I can't think of any.
I also think he's easily top 10 "right now". I would go
1. Paul
2. Rondo
3. Westbrook
4. Parker
5. Rose
6. D. Williams
7. Nash
8. Rubio
9. Lawson
10. Irving
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Originally Posted by gut
This real world or fantasy rankings?
Going by true PG's you're probably right that he's #7 or #8 behind Westbrook, Tony Parker, Rose, Rondo, Deron, Paul and maybe Irving. And it's not much of a gap between Nash and the other mid-level PG's like Jeff Teague, Rubio and Lawson.Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
true, but if anyone can it would be him, as his skill-set would, and has, translated well to aging. I still think he makes the most sense for this team now though, outside of trying to trade for Rondo. Most of the younger, quick point guards that you want might be able to "keep up" with Westbrook or Paul, but what they would cost the team as far efficiency on both ends of the floor wouldn't be worth it. Basically, I'm saying the Lakers now are better with Nash than with, say, John Wall or Brandon Jennings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffProblem isn't the injury risk, more of deterioration of skills at his age. Not so worried about the upcoming season (as he looked very good last season), but more about the two seasons after that. How many really effective 41-year-olds do you remember from the NBA?Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
I can't think of any.
After seeing these atrocious posts, and ranking Nash at #7 I am convinced none of you have any idea what is going on in the NBA.
Fucking bath salts, all of you.
You're the LA Lakers and can choose from this group of players, who do you take Steve Nash over???Quote:
Originally Posted by OSA
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose
Rajon Rondo
Russel Westbrook
Tony Parker
Chris Paul
Westbrook takes too many shots, Rondo is a typical n-word with no control, Rose/Deron/Paul are too young and inexperienced in playoff situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-OYou're the LA Lakers and can choose from this group of players, who do you take Steve Nash over???Quote:
Originally Posted by OSA
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose
Rajon Rondo
Russel Westbrook
Tony Parker
Chris Paul
Parker maybe i guess. Nash is so good at adapting to different offenses and players. With the wealth of talent in LA, he will make an impact immed. He keeps in shape during offseason too playing soccer unlike the majority of the league.
So what you're saying is you like him because he's white and Tony Parker is "ok" because he's kind of white :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OSAWestbrook takes too many shots, Rondo is a typical n-word with no control, Rose/Deron/Paul are too young and inexperienced in playoff situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
Parker maybe i guess. Nash is so good at adapting to different offenses and players. With the wealth of talent in LA, he will make an impact immed. He keeps in shape during offseason too playing soccer unlike the majority of the league.
Don't see it that way. Parker has the rings and the rest have jack shit. Rondo was rumored to be traded, so was Deron, and Paul rejected a 3 yr 60 mil extension. Just sounds to me that they are immature and couldn't handle filing in line behind Gasol Bynum and Kobe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-OSo what you're saying is you like him because he's white and Tony Parker is "ok" because he's kind of white :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OSA
Speaking of n-words. I'm looking through the tax roll of an area in Orlando where many pro golfers and nba players live. Golfers, on average, live in a house that is roughly 3500-5500 sq feet. Even Tigers house in Orlando was reasonable in size, I think less than 6000.
Vince Carter: 30000 Sq/Ft
Shaq: 25000
Some other n-word athlete: 20000
Hedo Turkoglu: like 3500 only.
And people wonder why those n-words go broke shortly after they're done playing.
That's a pretty solid list. I think I would take a healthy Rose at #2 but I'm a huge homer. Rondo at #2 seems right after the playoffs he had, but throughout regular season he was really inconsistent. He certainly has played at that ECF level before but not that often. I would go:Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
Paul
Rose
Rondo
D. Williams
Westbrook
Parker
Nash
Irving
Lawson
Rubio
I put more emphasis on PG qualities versus overall player. I think Deron Williams is overlooked only because he played in Utah and then on horrible Nets teams until now. The Nets still may not be very good but he is going to get a ton of exposure and people will see how good he is.
Kyrie Irving is incredible. The PG position is really loaded right now.
Here is my rankings if I was starting a team today:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy JoeThat's a pretty solid list. I think I would take a healthy Rose at #2 but I'm a huge homer. Rondo at #2 seems right after the playoffs he had, but throughout regular season he was really inconsistent. He certainly has played at that ECF level before but not that often. I would go:Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
Paul
Rose
Rondo
D. Williams
Westbrook
Parker
Nash
Irving
Lawson
Rubio
I put more emphasis on PG qualities versus overall player. I think Deron Williams is overlooked only because he played in Utah and then on horrible Nets teams until now. The Nets still may not be very good but he is going to get a ton of exposure and people will see how good he is.
Kyrie Irving is incredible. The PG position is really loaded right now.
#1 -- Russel Westbrook
#2 -- Derrick Rose
T#3 -- Rajon Rondo
T#3 -- Deron Williams
#4 -- Chris Paul
#5 -- Tony Parker
#6 -- Kyrie Irving
#7 -- Jeff teague
#8 -- Ricky Rubio
#9 -- Ty Lawson
I forgot about Teague being good. I used to live in Winston-Salem, NC and grew up going to Wake Forest games seeing Tim Duncan, Chris Paul and later on Teague. I'm STUNNED that he's made a name for himself in the pros. Was always athletic but EXTREMELY short sighted and immature. All Wake Forest fans laughed when he left early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-OHere is my rankings if I was starting a team today:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
#1 -- Russel Westbrook
#2 -- Derrick Rose
T#3 -- Rajon Rondo
T#3 -- Deron Williams
#4 -- Chris Paul
#5 -- Tony Parker
#6 -- Kyrie Irving
#7 -- Jeff teague
#8 -- Ricky Rubio
#9 -- Ty Lawson
well my list was in response to when you said "right now", not starting a team today...which implies building for long term. But even then, either you must be a Hawks homer, or related to Teague, because I guarantee you every NBA general manager would take Rubio or Lawson over Teague right now (and also probably >25 gm's would take Jennings and wall over him also).Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-OHere is my rankings if I was starting a team today:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloppy Joe
#1 -- Russel Westbrook
#2 -- Derrick Rose
T#3 -- Rajon Rondo
T#3 -- Deron Williams
#4 -- Chris Paul
#5 -- Tony Parker
#6 -- Kyrie Irving
#7 -- Jeff teague
#8 -- Ricky Rubio
#9 -- Ty Lawson
Did the stormin Mormon make the hall? Anyone remember that Charles Barkley denial from Shawn Bradley ??
Teague impressed me at the end of the year and during the 7-game seires against the Celtics (that's my team btw not the Hawks). Incredible range, can penetrate, and seems to have all the upside in the world. I'm usually pretty good at guessing who is going to be an All Star and who will be a bust (John Wall); the first time I saw Ray Allen take a jump shot in college I said "he's going to be a superstar". But to be honest, I haven't seen enough of Rubio or Lawson to make an accurate judgement on their talents. I look at the stats, but for me it's more how they play, since stats can lie, a la Dana Barros.Quote:
Originally Posted by gutwell my list was in response to when you said "right now", not starting a team today...which implies building for long term. But even then, either you must be a Hawks homer, or related to Teague, because I guarantee you every NBA general manager would take Rubio or Lawson over Teague right now (and also probably >25 gm's would take Jennings and wall over him also).Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
Lawson seems like he is going to be the real deal, especially if his shot gets better. I actually think that John Wall still has the ability to make a name for himself. He's been on some cancerous teams (Nick Young, JaVale McGee) and hopefully the Wiz won't be as horrible this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-OTeague impressed me at the end of the year and during the 7-game seires against the Celtics (that's my team btw not the Hawks). Incredible range, can penetrate, and seems to have all the upside in the world. I'm usually pretty good at guessing who is going to be an All Star and who will be a bust (John Wall); the first time I saw Ray Allen take a jump shot in college I said "he's going to be a superstar". But to be honest, I haven't seen enough of Rubio or Lawson to make an accurate judgement on their talents. I look at the stats, but for me it's more how they play, since stats can lie, a la Dana Barros.Quote:
Originally Posted by gut
Ray Allen signed with the Heat
Jason Kidd going to the Knicks
Jeremy Lin likely to the Rockets.
Jason Kidd turning 40 this upcoming season. Ray Allen will be near 38 when the season ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muck Ficon
These guys can help but I think fans will be expecting the players from their peaks, as LA likely will with Nash.