Merge Removes Skrill Withdrawal Option

[Towerflower]

This is very concerning:

From: Carbon support

Thank you for contacting us.

Unfortunately Bitcoin is not an option I can offer you at the moment. If it is available to you eventually then we will let you know for sure.

About the withdraw I will apologize for this long wait on the check payment, we have a delay on the payment due to a huge amount of requests in queue. We have communication with the department in charge, and unfortunately we are unable to come up with an specific time frame or date, in which we will be releasing the check. However it will be not that long for sure, so you can expect the approval at any time. Please note that as soon as this takes place you will be receiving a message update.

Bitcoins are technically of course able to offer for everyone! There are no restrictions whatsoever, but if you have player funds not on hand, then...

Also interesting, a group of victims wait now since 11 days for a Bitcoin withdrawal! I could swear it is a processor issue...

[big dick]

You worthless little n-word, happy to see people getting slow payed and hoping for people to get no payed.

[big dick]

This is very concerning:

From: Carbon support

Thank you for contacting us.

Unfortunately Bitcoin is not an option I can offer you at the moment. If it is available to you eventually then we will let you know for sure.

About the withdraw I will apologize for this long wait on the check payment, we have a delay on the payment due to a huge amount of requests in queue. We have communication with the department in charge, and unfortunately we are unable to come up with an specific time frame or date, in which we will be releasing the check. However it will be not that long for sure, so you can expect the approval at any time. Please note that as soon as this takes place you will be receiving a message update.

Bitcoins are technically of course able to offer for everyone! There are no restrictions whatsoever, but if you have player funds not on hand, then...

Also interesting, a group of victims wait now since 11 days for a Bitcoin withdrawal! I could swear it is a processor issue...

This faggot made yet another 2p2 acct so he could troll the poor guys waiting on payouts from equity poker.Do what china suggested and noose yourself, fucker.

[thesparten]

You worthless little n-word, happy to see people getting slow payed and hoping for people to get no payed.

The site should close...

[big dick]

Kind of like you should close your big fucking mouth for a change and not have an opinion on every single subject you net depositing donkey

[Towerflower]

While it was clear to me long time ago, the ponzi scheme is now officially confirmed:

khallin
"Waited 18 weeks for check, was told to cancel it and use BTC. Stupid site canceled my BTC after 3 weeks of waiting. Told me to use Wire Transfer and won't accept Chase. Any suggest on what bank is good with Carbon Wire Transfer?"

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"Max check requested 6/14 got switched to bitcoin on 10/19. Was cancelled yesterday and told I have to wait for check. Can't believe I got trapped in another Ponzi scheme..."

If Carbon is not able to send wire transfers to Bitcoin exchanges(like bitpay.com) to buy Bitcoins, how would they be able to send wire transfers to customers?!?

[chinamaniac]

[big dick]

Me either^

[HowQuaint]

While it was clear to me long time ago, the ponzi scheme is now officially confirmed:

khallin
"Waited 18 weeks for check, was told to cancel it and use BTC. Stupid site canceled my BTC after 3 weeks of waiting. Told me to use Wire Transfer and won't accept Chase. Any suggest on what bank is good with Carbon Wire Transfer?"

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"Max check requested 6/14 got switched to bitcoin on 10/19. Was cancelled yesterday and told I have to wait for check. Can't believe I got trapped in another Ponzi scheme..."

If Carbon is not able to send wire transfers to Bitcoin exchanges(like bitpay.com) to buy Bitcoins, how would they be able to send wire transfers to customers?!?

I don't think the Ponzi Scheme is confirmed at all. According to virtually all of the player reports right now, players are being paid within stated time-frames. I've personally seen over $150,000 in poker, sports, and casino related cashouts paid to my clients alone in the last 30 days.

It was, as I said all along, banking and payment processing issues that would be rectified. I will admit, it happened at a terribly slow rate I am also willing to freely admit that it was handled very poorly. It doesn't make it a Ponzi Scheme though and the sky was never falling...

[Towerflower]

A reputable company would never intentionally withhold customers money and lose revenue, trust and risk a bank run, while they intent to continue business, therefore suggesting a Ponzi Scheme or they were meanwhile able to find investors.

However, it remains that they definitely fulfilled the criminal offense of misappropriation, as customers have the right to withdraw their hole balance at any time and do not have to wait months for one withdrawal.

I bet $5,000 that you are not able to explain these "processing issues" as they are a fantasy story of shills. Bank transfers work electronically and are monitored 24h/day, therefore no long therm processing issues possible, except not having the money.

I have no idea why it is so difficult to understand that "processing issues" would apply for both directions = withdrawals and deposits, while I never heard about long therm deposit processing issues.

[Daniel72]

Just checked the Carbon Poker options for me (Germany).

I can deposit with Skrill (moneybookers), but not withdraw with it, only via bank Transfer.

In the past i always got my money from Carbon, but slower and slower.

[Towerflower]

It is a shame that Skrill still process deposits to the illegal operation Carbon Poker and contrary to their own terms and conditions! But as long as the victims are not willing to fight for their rights, nothing will change.

[Daly]

Merge has always been slower and inconsistent compared to other USA facing sites that actually pay their customers. This is all I'm trying to get at because it's a fact with the exception of a few people who have other options to get the money.

I do remember times when checks were much quicker in 2012 since I played on there a little in that time but unlike some of the other sites Merge has had several times when checks took 12+ weeks. Their is no reason it should be going on still with super bowl being 9 months ago.

Processors come and go but people will do things for money so finding processors shouldn't be that difficult. The network should have worked harder on this since it's very important to a lot of customers who jumped ship elsewhere even the same guys that claim they hate anonymous tables so they never would play on Bovada started to play there or moved to someplace else like WPN.

The decrease in traffic of Merge tells a lot while other USA friendly sites increased especially when public opponent everywhere I read likes the Merge software better then WPN, Bovada, Chico Network,etc... These people wouldn't have jumped ship if it weren't for them eliminating rakeback and having slow cashouts.

If Merge opens bitcoin up to everyone then starts taking two weeks to ship it even though that is a huge improvement over current pay methods it's still very slow in comparison to ACR which process bitcoin cashouts during the week within a few hours. People will think this is so great two week cashouts since they had to deal with long waits but sending bitcoin out is something Merge (or anyone) can do with ease without third party involvement.

Merge has always been slower and inconsistent compared to other USA facing sites

The funny part about this is they were slower pre black friday than post black friday! 6 months at times for checks back then according to Daly

Processors come and go but people will do things for money so finding processors shouldn't be that difficult

Just LOL especially if you want to stay around and not get robbed and not get caught. You think these companies just grab any joe off the street and do business with them? If they did they would be FTP and stars part 2 or they would have processors stealing left and right

Not sure how I missed this the first time around. Three years ago me and a buddy were crushing shot on goal props on Sportsbook.ag. We built up low 5 figure balances before they shut us off and sent us packing. It took us both two years to get it out.

Sportsbook is a top book in the prop world. Softest lines ever. I know scores of people who have done very well there over the years. I can say two things as a subject matter expert.

1. They always pay
2. It's never fast

6 months might be a bit of a stretch, but it was never faster than 4 and usually 4.5-5. It took for fucking ever.

[IAmProfessionalTalk]

Merge has always been slower and inconsistent compared to other USA facing sites

The funny part about this is they were slower pre black friday than post black friday! 6 months at times for checks back then according to Daly

Processors come and go but people will do things for money so finding processors shouldn't be that difficult

Just LOL especially if you want to stay around and not get robbed and not get caught. You think these companies just grab any joe off the street and do business with them? If they did they would be FTP and stars part 2 or they would have processors stealing left and right

Not sure how I missed this the first time around. Three years ago me and a buddy were crushing shot on goal props on Sportsbook.ag. We built up low 5 figure balances before they shut us off and sent us packing. It took us both two years to get it out.

Sportsbook is a top book in the prop world. Softest lines ever. I know scores of people who have done very well there over the years. I can say two things as a subject matter expert.

1. They always pay
2. It's never fast

6 months might be a bit of a stretch, but it was never faster than 4 and usually 4.5-5. It took for fucking ever.

I've been waiting on a $150K payment from sportsbook.com aka sportsbook.ag since 2007.

[HowQuaint]

A reputable company would never intentionally withhold customers money and lose revenue, trust and risk a bank run, while they intent to continue business, therefore suggesting a Ponzi Scheme or they were meanwhile able to find investors.

However, it remains that they definitely fulfilled the criminal offense of misappropriation, as customers have the right to withdraw their hole balance at any time and do not have to wait months for one withdrawal.

I bet $5,000 that you are not able to explain these "processing issues" as they are a fantasy story of shills. Bank transfers work electronically and are monitored 24h/day, therefore no long therm processing issues possible, except not having the money.

I have no idea why it is so difficult to understand that "processing issues" would apply for both directions = withdrawals and deposits, while I never heard about long therm deposit processing issues.

Processing payments to US players isn't a straightforward type of business. You will not get a $5k bet from me however, because:

1) I do not process payments for US players (or any players for that matter)

2) I have no desire to speak about such things in the Internet

3) If you think it's as easy as lumping a bunch of money in a bank account and wiring it out to players, you're sorely mistaken.

4) This is a gray market business, the rules are quite different than from say, PokerStars.

5) I don't affiliate for them anymore, but I've been with them since late 2006 when I first negotiated a private deal to be a high stakes prop. They have always paid out. Hundreds of thousands of dollars.

6) It's not a Ponzi Scheme.

[Towerflower]

6) It's not a Ponzi Scheme.

Lock Poker

Shane Bridges: The reason I didnt panic about player funds was I went through the same **** with Merge

Shane Bridges: Merge went through this too, but recovered.

[Towerflower]

...The Skrill thing also makes no sense. They have yet to provide a reason for Skrill's removal as a withdrawal option. Let's review:

- Skrill only serves non-US customers for poker payments, where it is LEGAL (or at least quasi-legal) to offer residents online poker.

- There are no delays with Skrill involving bad/shady processors, or busts involving processors. All of this is done out in the open, and above-board.

- Skrill makes good money on each transaction.

- Skrill has no problem processing online poker payments.

So why wouldn't Skrill be available to Merge anymore? Do the owners of Skrill hate money?

Obviously not. Skrill obviously terminated or restricted Merge's account due to some kind of problem, most likely complaints regarding availability of funds.

If Merge had the money to pay, they could easily and QUICKLY pay all non-US customers through Skrill.

Unfortuantely, the "Merge isn't broke" arguments seem to revolve around US payouts, which could be slow for any number of reasons. However, given that Merge has been slow paying EVERYONE throughout 2015, and now they are no longer utilizing Skrill, something is very wrong...

While I respect your opinion , I disagree with a lot of the conclusions you and Towerflower are drawing on this but I am not going to get into them and break them down point by point because I have spent way too much time on this already both in and out of this thread.

That said, there has to be a problem with Skrill and them and why it won't connect and I don't think it is as simple as they don't have the money or they would pay it. I have a couple of theories on this and I will get into one reason why I believe your conclusions are off.

Skrill is a tiny portion of their market because the site is mainly U.S. players. Especially on the poker side of things. If you look at the the thread on 2+2 there have been weeks where they are paying out 100s of thousands of dollars in bankwires and checks and that is massive compared to the amount of skrill that is requested.

So if they are broke like you guys believe or close to broke and skrill is your main reasoning here then if you were operating the site why the hell would you not hold off on a few bank wires and checks a couple of weeks and just fire off the skrill payments? This is a very big reason why the no skrill=broke is laughable to me.

That said, I feel comfortable playing on Merge and I feel I will get paid. If I don't then so be it. Any site I have ever been on I have tried to keep as low of a bankroll as possible and I am always prepared to be stiffed at any time.

chinamaniac 05-05-2013 on 2+2

You didn't steal players money. Your boss Jennifer Larson did. Lock is broke. It is very clear right now. They can't even pay SIMPLE ROW cashouts which should take 1 day to process.

- If Lock(chinamaniac = no balance) can not process SIMPLE ROW cashouts within a few days = broke.

- If Carbon(chinamaniac = balance) can not process SIMPLE ROW cashouts within a few days = not broke.

Yeah, makes sense!

[chinamaniac]

Lock Poker

Shane Bridges: The reason I didnt panic about player funds was I went through the same **** with Merge

Shane Bridges: Merge went through this too, but recovered.

Ya let's take Shanes word as Gospel

[chinamaniac]

While I respect your opinion , I disagree with a lot of the conclusions you and Towerflower are drawing on this but I am not going to get into them and break them down point by point because I have spent way too much time on this already both in and out of this thread.

That said, there has to be a problem with Skrill and them and why it won't connect and I don't think it is as simple as they don't have the money or they would pay it. I have a couple of theories on this and I will get into one reason why I believe your conclusions are off.

Skrill is a tiny portion of their market because the site is mainly U.S. players. Especially on the poker side of things. If you look at the the thread on 2+2 there have been weeks where they are paying out 100s of thousands of dollars in bankwires and checks and that is massive compared to the amount of skrill that is requested.

So if they are broke like you guys believe or close to broke and skrill is your main reasoning here then if you were operating the site why the hell would you not hold off on a few bank wires and checks a couple of weeks and just fire off the skrill payments? This is a very big reason why the no skrill=broke is laughable to me.

That said, I feel comfortable playing on Merge and I feel I will get paid. If I don't then so be it. Any site I have ever been on I have tried to keep as low of a bankroll as possible and I am always prepared to be stiffed at any time.

chinamaniac 05-05-2013 on 2+2

You didn't steal players money. Your boss Jennifer Larson did. Lock is broke. It is very clear right now. They can't even pay SIMPLE ROW cashouts which should take 1 day to process.

- If Lock(chinamaniac = no balance) can not process SIMPLE ROW cashouts within a few days = broke.

- If Carbon(chinamaniac = balance) can not process SIMPLE ROW cashouts within a few days = not broke.

Yeah, makes sense!

[Dan Druff]

So if Merge has the money, why can't they immediately pay non-US cashouts?

You guys do realize that super slow playing is usually indicative of lack of liquidity, as opposed to just "processor issues", right?

How many times have we seen this before?

There is a middle ground between "Healthy and has everyone's money" and "Full-blown scam that will never pay anyone".

I think Merge has been in that middle ground for awhile, and that's not good.

When you are on a slow-pay site, you should cash out (if you can) and run the other way.