*** OFFICIAL *** Joe Biden Presidency Thread

[dwai]

He can't force them, but he can do what Nevada did with the homeless. They rounded them up and promised to ship them (for free) to a place in California where the homeless had more rights and benefits. Many of them agreed, and got on the bus.

Here they can simply say that they are doing an illegal immigrant sweep and are going to send them to the feds for deportation, but are willing to forego doing this if they get on the bus to Delaware.

100% most of them will agree to this.

So the right wants to make it a crime to aid and abet illegals in any way, even giving food or medical attention, but instead of turning them over to the feds, DeSantis will buy them a bus ticket to Delaware. If an illegal said hey can you give me a ride to Delaware and a private citizen said sure hop in, the right would want to hang him. This doesn’t sound like a political stunt at all. Maybe California can do the exact same thing and send all its illegals to Florida. Maybe their murderers and rapists too.

You people are completely off the deep end.

[Dan Druff]

He can't force them, but he can do what Nevada did with the homeless. They rounded them up and promised to ship them (for free) to a place in California where the homeless had more rights and benefits. Many of them agreed, and got on the bus.

Here they can simply say that they are doing an illegal immigrant sweep and are going to send them to the feds for deportation, but are willing to forego doing this if they get on the bus to Delaware.

100% most of them will agree to this.

So the right wants to make it a crime to aid and abet illegals in any way, even giving food or medical attention, but instead of turning them over to the feds, DeSantis will buy them a bus ticket to Delaware. If an illegal said hey can you give me a ride to Delaware and a private citizen said sure hop in, the right would want to hang him. This doesn’t sound like a political stunt at all. Maybe California can do the exact same thing and send all its illegals to Florida. Maybe their murderers and rapists too.

You people are completely off the deep end.

The illegal immigrant situation is a complex one, and the solution lies neither at zero tolerance nor open or pseudo-open borders.

The country needs the labor of a certain number of illegal immigrants. At the same time, illegal immigration is causing a big burden on soceity, and also is unfair to those who spend time, money, and effort to do it legally (and are often still denied!)

There needs to be a complete overhaul -- one which is a combination of securing the southern border a lot more than we currently do (the wall actually wasn't a bad idea), as well as some kind of amnesty program plus an easier path to legal immigration. Perhaps the jobs which presently go to illegals -- such as in the fields -- could be exempt from the present minimum wage, and those here without fully legal status can be eligible to be hired for such jobs.

I'm just riffing here, but something like that. Right now we've got this weird situation where the government looks the other way while agricultural companies (and a few other industries) hire illegals, and yet there's all kinds of posturing about how we have to get tough on illegal immigration. Then we have the left turning it into a phony humintarian and race issue, which it shouldn't be. As long as our southern border is open or partially open, people will flock here, and we will have a fiasco on our hands. It's no coincidence that the border got flooded as soon as Biden became President.

Obviously shipping illegal immigrants to Delaware isn't the answer, but Desantis is basically sending a message to Biden that he's sleeping on the job regarding immigration (and most other things), and he's tired of it. It's kinda like watching a neighborhood dog shit on your lawn and then throwing the shit on the dog owner's front porch.

Biden got elected with a message that he will be easier on southern-border immigration than Trump, and then he's basically hidden from the entire situation, while it gets worse and worse.

Say what you will about Trump and his lousy final year in office, but his foreign policy -- especially during his first 3 years -- actually worked out with basically everything he did. On the flip side, everything Biden has done in foreign/border policy has resulted in absolute disaster.

[Cerveza Fria]

He can't force them, but he can do what Nevada did with the homeless. They rounded them up and promised to ship them (for free) to a place in California where the homeless had more rights and benefits. Many of them agreed, and got on the bus.

Here they can simply say that they are doing an illegal immigrant sweep and are going to send them to the feds for deportation, but are willing to forego doing this if they get on the bus to Delaware.

100% most of them will agree to this.

So the right wants to make it a crime to aid and abet illegals in any way, even giving food or medical attention, but instead of turning them over to the feds, DeSantis will buy them a bus ticket to Delaware. If an illegal said hey can you give me a ride to Delaware and a private citizen said sure hop in, the right would want to hang him. This doesn’t sound like a political stunt at all. Maybe California can do the exact same thing and send all its illegals to Florida. Maybe their murderers and rapists too.

You people are completely off the deep end.

What do you mean "You people"?

[Walter Sobchak]

So the right wants to make it a crime to aid and abet illegals in any way, even giving food or medical attention, but instead of turning them over to the feds, DeSantis will buy them a bus ticket to Delaware. If an illegal said hey can you give me a ride to Delaware and a private citizen said sure hop in, the right would want to hang him. This doesn’t sound like a political stunt at all. Maybe California can do the exact same thing and send all its illegals to Florida. Maybe their murderers and rapists too.

You people are completely off the deep end.

What do you mean "You people"?

The people who are cheering DeSantis on and believe this is anything other than a political stunt.

[Walter Sobchak]

So the right wants to make it a crime to aid and abet illegals in any way, even giving food or medical attention, but instead of turning them over to the feds, DeSantis will buy them a bus ticket to Delaware. If an illegal said hey can you give me a ride to Delaware and a private citizen said sure hop in, the right would want to hang him. This doesn’t sound like a political stunt at all. Maybe California can do the exact same thing and send all its illegals to Florida. Maybe their murderers and rapists too.

You people are completely off the deep end.

The illegal immigrant situation is a complex one, and the solution lies neither at zero tolerance nor open or pseudo-open borders.

The country needs the labor of a certain number of illegal immigrants. At the same time, illegal immigration is causing a big burden on soceity, and also is unfair to those who spend time, money, and effort to do it legally (and are often still denied!)

There needs to be a complete overhaul -- one which is a combination of securing the southern border a lot more than we currently do (the wall actually wasn't a bad idea), as well as some kind of amnesty program plus an easier path to legal immigration. Perhaps the jobs which presently go to illegals -- such as in the fields -- could be exempt from the present minimum wage, and those here without fully legal status can be eligible to be hired for such jobs.

I'm just riffing here, but something like that. Right now we've got this weird situation where the government looks the other way while agricultural companies (and a few other industries) hire illegals, and yet there's all kinds of posturing about how we have to get tough on illegal immigration. Then we have the left turning it into a phony humintarian and race issue, which it shouldn't be. As long as our southern border is open or partially open, people will flock here, and we will have a fiasco on our hands. It's no coincidence that the border got flooded as soon as Biden became President.

Obviously shipping illegal immigrants to Delaware isn't the answer, but Desantis is basically sending a message to Biden that he's sleeping on the job regarding immigration (and most other things), and he's tired of it. It's kinda like watching a neighborhood dog shit on your lawn and then throwing the shit on the dog owner's front porch.

Biden got elected with a message that he will be easier on southern-border immigration than Trump, and then he's basically hidden from the entire situation, while it gets worse and worse.

Say what you will about Trump and his lousy final year in office, but his foreign policy -- especially during his first 3 years -- actually worked out with basically everything he did. On the flip side, everything Biden has done in foreign/border policy has resulted in absolute disaster.

That’s because Republicans have to keep two core constituencies who are often at odds happy at the same time—rural white nativists and big business. As a practical matter the only way to do that is to say one thing and do another. All Republicans until Trump said what the nativists wanted to hear and did what big business wanted. This makes perfect sense because big business gives the bribes, I mean “campaign contributions,” and are actually paying attention to what happens, whereas the nativists can always be motivated by fear, anger and race-baiting and a cynical manipulation of their religion regardless of whether the Republicans actually deliver anything for them.

This is even more true of Trump whose only legislative accomplishment was a tax cut for the well-off. He did try to give them something in the form of the wall though.

[Sanlmar]

Say what you will about Trump and his lousy final year in office, but his foreign policy -- especially during his first 3 years -- actually worked out with basically everything he did. On the flip side, everything Biden has done in foreign/border policy has resulted in absolute disaster.

Biden has destroyed any hope Kamala Harris might have harbored for her future in politics. To my recollection, her suffering began when Biden made her the administration’s face of immigration. The sacrificial lamb. Then there were her foreign policy trips to Viet Nam etc. - wrekt.

I find Druff generally more intolerant politically than myself but his last paragraph cannot be disputed and is quite fair. Describing Biden’s foreign policy and failed diplomacy as an “absolute disaster” doesn’t do it justice - it should literally frighten you.

Foreign policy doesn’t suit the 244 character world but it is far more interesting and important than masks.

[Sanlmar]

Also putting former New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu in charge of executing $1 trillion infrastructure bill ….. that’s the best option ‘Merica had to offer?

[Sanlmar]

Lest Druff feel comforted by any agreement between ourselves let’s take another shot at Los Angeles. It’s been a while.

Lotta folks blaming Biden for the supply chain mess and maybe by extension inflation.



The largest port in the Western Hemisphere is “owned” and managed by the City of Los Angeles. As Americans decided to buy physical goods with their cheap dollars instead of services (virus) the LA Port became increasingly important. ‘Merica doesn’t actually make anything so cheap Chinese Amazon shit had to come through LA.

Relying on Los Angeles for anything important should scare you. It is prolly fair to say the Port of LA is one of the most archaic and mismanaged ports in the world. (Insert Tyde here).

Now maybe we should blame Biden for not seizing the port from LA’s control and nationalizing it. That prolly wouldn’t go well either but if some conservative sought the expertise of say Japan’s or Singapore’s port authorities. Perhaps you engage China’s help. They have skin in the game. We are their giant customer.

Los Angeles bashing. It’s not wrong…. ever

[Cerveza Fria]

What do you mean "You people"?

The people who are cheering DeSantis on and believe this is anything other than a political stunt.

You obviously never saw "Tropic Thunder" with Robert Downey Jr.

[Sanlmar]

watched 60 minutes segment on this last night. You might have also. My takeaway was the core problem was opportunism and corruption. You see it that way also

It was a good piece. I’ve seen the same observations made about this port but 60 Minutes has higher production value and it’s slicker.

The port is run like it’s 1972. What a archaic mess. It’s shortcomings were blown up by the growth. Why would LA invest? What does capitalism have to do with Los Angeles anyway?

WHY IS THE PORT OWNED BY A MUNICIPALITY? I need to school myself on this. I don’t know. Other socialist countries (like LA) do a good job - so there is that. LA is a special class of fail.

The corruption and opportunism are just a byproduct of stupid Los Angeles and not the root cause.

[Sanlmar]

Lotta folks ask me why are we embarking on a Trillion Dollar works program in the midst of a robust (overstimulated) economy.

Look at it as Democratic campaign funding. Everyone loves a federal handout. “Look what I got you folks”.

I worked for a contractor that won a bid for work on Boston’s Big Dig. The Big Dig was an Elon Musk Boring sort of tunnel under the city. The salesmen and techs made a fortune off of no bid (sole source) extras and overtime. It was Christmas every day for years. No words. I could riff for pages and I think I have mentioned in the past.

Good times across the country.

So factor that into your landslide Druff. Your political forecasts scare me (because you are generally wrong)

[BCR]

watched 60 minutes segment on this last night. You might have also. My takeaway was the core problem was opportunism and corruption. You see it that way also

It was a good piece. I’ve seen the same observations made about this port but 60 Minutes has higher production value and it’s slicker.

The port is run like it’s 1972. What a archaic mess. It’s shortcomings were blown up by the growth. Why would LA invest? What does capitalism have to do with Los Angeles anyway?

WHY IS THE PORT OWNED BY A MUNICIPALITY? I need to school myself on this. I don’t know. Other socialist countries (like LA) do a good job - so there is that. LA is a special class of fail.

The corruption and opportunism are just a byproduct of stupid Los Angeles and not the root cause.

Yeah, I watched it and saw what a logistical mess it was, but I kept wondering what’s different than 3 or 5 years ago? We already got everything from China and were hooked on Amazon. I understood during the lockdown, but now, I was curious if it was pure opportunism, an actual change in habits, or just never letting a chance to gouge go by?

I haven’t went shopping for Christmas or bought shit like that anywhere but online for a decade. Whenever I buy whatever household items, I can only buy what I want to have around. It’s not like I’m buying five years worth of peanut butter because of whatever? They just kept saying it’s the truckers, it’s the yards without any space, and blaming the shipping vessels(who definitely seemed corrupt), and yet they never answered why it’s so much worse atm?

I understand it’s always a clusterfuck, but seemed like a lot of next level opportunism.

[dwai]

It was a good piece. I’ve seen the same observations made about this port but 60 Minutes has higher production value and it’s slicker.

The port is run like it’s 1972. What a archaic mess. It’s shortcomings were blown up by the growth. Why would LA invest? What does capitalism have to do with Los Angeles anyway?

WHY IS THE PORT OWNED BY A MUNICIPALITY? I need to school myself on this. I don’t know. Other socialist countries (like LA) do a good job - so there is that. LA is a special class of fail.

The corruption and opportunism are just a byproduct of stupid Los Angeles and not the root cause.

Yeah, I watched it and saw what a logistical mess it was, but I kept wondering what’s different than 3 or 5 years ago? We already got everything from China and were hooked on Amazon. I understood during the lockdown, but now, I was curious if it was pure opportunism, an actual change in habits, or just never letting a chance to gouge go by?

I haven’t went shopping for Christmas or bought shit like that anywhere but online for a decade. Whenever I buy whatever household items, I can only buy what I want to have around. It’s not like I’m buying five years worth of peanut butter because of whatever? They just kept saying it’s the truckers, it’s the yards without any space, and blaming the shipping vessels(who definitely seemed corrupt), and yet they never answered why it’s so much worse atm?

I understand it’s always a clusterfuck, but seemed like a lot of next level opportunism.

lol why doesn't this surprise me, you termally online life loser dweeb, no wonder you favor masks(fat and ugly) and lockdowns(never leave your dad's house in buttfuck Ohio) and mandates (don't want to be seen as the only loser buying any of this bullshit)

[Dan Druff]

Lotta folks ask me why are we embarking on a Trillion Dollar works program in the midst of a robust (overstimulated) economy.

Look at it as Democratic campaign funding. Everyone loves a federal handout. “Look what I got you folks”.

I worked for a contractor that won a bid for work on Boston’s Big Dig. The Big Dig was an Elon Musk Boring sort of tunnel under the city. The salesmen and techs made a fortune off of no bid (sole source) extras and overtime. It was Christmas every day for years. No words. I could riff for pages and I think I have mentioned in the past.

Good times across the country.

So factor that into your landslide Druff. Your political forecasts scare me (because you are generally wrong)

I'n not generally wrong with my forecasts. I even have a good ROI on Predictit and other political bets.

The only thing I got blatantly wrong was believing Trump would lose in 2016. Coming into election day, I predicted Obama, Obama, Hillary, and Biden in the past 4 elections -- despite voting for none of them.

And yes, The Big Dig was a fiasco, though you know more about it than I do, being from that side of the country and all.

I also don't know why you think I'd defend Los Angeles. Because I love the Dodgers? That's separate. I like the LA area, but not the city or county governments of LA. They are royally fucked up. Not to the level of places like New York, Chicago, Baltimore, SF, or Detroit, but it's still pretty bad.

Biden didn't cause the Port of Long Beach disaster, but he sure didn't help matters. He's basically a doddering, senile fool who isn't mentally competent for the job, and has left the wokes in the driver's seat.

Kamala Harris is just awful. You can't even say that Biden made her the face of his mistakes at the southern border. She's a combination of incompetent and off-putting. Everyone hates working with her and being around her. I don't see her being a viable 2024 candidate, if Biden doesn't run again. This would actually be a perfect time for someone like Amy Klobuchar to try and grab the nomination -- not ancient, not woke, not off-putting. Yeah, she mistreats employees and throws things at them, but nobody's perfect.

[NickyPipes]

Brother the only one that was hard to predict you got horribly wrong

[Dan Druff]

Brother the only one that was hard to predict you got horribly wrong

Brother, almost everyone got it wrong, except for delusional partisans who always think "their guy" is going to win. I can't give credit to anyone on the right who predicted a Trump 2016 victory, unless they also predicted an Obama victory in 2012.

[Sanlmar]

Yeah, I watched it and saw what a logistical mess it was, but I kept wondering what’s different than 3 or 5 years ago? We already got everything from China and were hooked on Amazon. I understood during the lockdown, but now, I was curious if it was pure opportunism, an actual change.

We are awash with money in a way we were not 3-5 years ago. If you were wealthy and had assets going into this you smashed it with the run in the stock market, commodities and real estate. Everyone else is getting raises or job hopping to better opportunity.

As an aside because off topic rambles are my brand….. my son never did any internships during college because of sports. So he graduates with no gig. The college had some relationship with Target and he ends up managing a Target store. He hated it but the hazing was good for him.

With that background he has been running an Amazon “retail arbitrage” side gig. He buys shit on clearance from Target and Macy’s and resells on Amazon. Madden games sell like hot cakes. Star Wars stuff. A freeroll as unsold returns are easy peasy. He has some retail kids holding stock for him for cash tips.

The principle at work is that people price shop only within the Amazon space. They don’t compare with brick and mortar opportunities and sales.

He’s running other OSA-level Amazon gamesmanship of similar ilk. He went thru a phase where he was buying Chinese knockoffs during the pandemic and warring with other resellers over nonsense like patent infringement.

Right hand to Druff, I have never pushed a buy button on Amazon. It’s not political though I have grown to hate Bezos. I just hate shopping as much as my wife loves buying. So the conversations have been really interesting between my son and I. Me the total noob and all.

Note that not one thing sold is made in the USA.

[Sanlmar]

Forecast-wise your Newsome recall was right in your backyard and that was a recent miss, Druff.

I do acknowledge you have not been a huge LA defender recently. There really isn’t an alternative, is there? As you know, I was on the leading edge of LA shaming. I still don’t think it gets the ridicule that it deserves.

You gotta give me huge props for being so early on the Dodger Championship fail too. You were just a good foil. The Dodgers read was just solid independent of you.

I think history will record this period as surpassing the Braves underachievement during the ‘90’s

Los Angeles the city and the MLB franchise are always massively overrated for a variety of reasons. Fortunately, I have great stamina

[Dan Druff]

Might be bullshit, might be true. But here's an interesting thing from yesterday:

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[Dan Druff]

Forecast-wise your Newsome recall was right in your backyard and that was a recent miss, Druff.

I do acknowledge you have not been a huge LA defender recently. There really isn’t an alternative, is there? As you know, I was on the leading edge of LA shaming. I still don’t think it gets the ridicule that it deserves.

You gotta give me huge props for being so early on the Dodger Championship fail too. You were just a good foil. The Dodgers read was just solid independent of you.

I think history will record this period as surpassing the Braves underachievement during the ‘90’s

Los Angeles the city and the MLB franchise are always massively overrated for a variety of reasons. Fortunately, I have great stamina

The Newsom recall had momentum, but it fell apart because of the Texas abortion law, of all things. That kinda shook the lazy Dems in the state to get out and vote, and it was game over.

Also, Larry Elder was a terrible candidate. Never liked him, even in the '90s on LA talk radio.

Dodgers fail was forgiveable this year. Too many injuries and worn out players. Scherzer had a dead arm, and Buehler had close to one. Kershaw got hurt late and they didn't have a repalcement for him. Starting ptiching depth already strained because Dustin May was out all year. Then of course there was Bauer, but one could argue they got Scherzer as his replacement. Offensively, Muncy was out, Justin Turner was clearly injured and trying to play through it.

Was just too much. Team clearly had some holes, such as a weak bench and lacking starting pitching depth. Amazingly, the one strength they brought to the postseason was usually their weakness -- the bullpen.

I'm already not liking what they're doing for 2022, though. Maybe they'll prove me wrong, but Andrew Heaney has fail written all over him.