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[Gookieheimowitz]

http://newjersey.news12.com/story/39...on-sports-bets


So a few Fan Dual sport book customers are unhappy because a bad line went up on the App for 18 seconds they got action down and won. Bets where cancelled .

This happens all the time .

Trick or treat you are beat

[lol wow]

anyone who is hanging out at the fanduel sportsbook and rushes to get a bad line should be familiar with how this always plays out you dont get the machine error i hope this moron gets soaked by his lawyer

[lol wow]

addendum though when this shit happens on slot machines person should be paid 100 percent of the time

[Gookieheimowitz]

anyone who is hanging out at the fanduel sportsbook and rushes to get a bad line should be familiar with how this always plays out you dont get the machine error i hope this moron gets soaked by his lawyer

Agreed

[Dan Druff]

Yeah, LOL at these guys playing victim.

They placed a +75000 moneyline bet on the Broncos. That's 750-to-1.

Even worse, it was a live bet when the Broncos were heavily favored to win in the 4th quarter.

After quarterback Case Keenum completed a pass down to the Oakland 18-yard line, putting the Broncos in comfortable field goal range, FanDuel attempted to update the live betting odds to reflect Denver as a -600 favorite. However, according to the company, an error in the live-odds feed caused the Broncos to be posted as 750-1 (+75,000) underdogs to win the game.

http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id...due-line-error

So for 18 seconds, the live betting system was screwed up and listed a team very likely to win as a 750-1 dog.

Anyone who bet that knew exactly what they were doing, and I agree that FanDuel shouldn't be required to pay them.

What if, instead of 750:1, the line was 750,000:1?

Would these guys believe they'd be entitled to get $80 million from a $100 bet?

Give me a fucking break.

I'm pretty sure the law n New Jersey allows FanDuel to do this, when the line was clearly an egregious error.

Had FanDuel listed +600 instead of -600, my guess is that they would have paid it, and in fact may have had a hard time legally cancelling it.

Similar consumer laws guide advertised sale prices.

If you see an advertised item worth $2000 in the paper as $1000, they typically have to honor it.

However, if an item worth $2000 is erroneously listed as $20, they typically don't.

There's a point where a reasonable person cannot claim they really thought the price was legitimate. Same thing goes here.

[Gookieheimowitz]

Yeah, LOL at these guys playing victim.

They placed a +75000 moneyline bet on the Broncos. That's 750-to-1.

Even worse, it was a live bet when the Broncos were heavily favored to win in the 4th quarter.

After quarterback Case Keenum completed a pass down to the Oakland 18-yard line, putting the Broncos in comfortable field goal range, FanDuel attempted to update the live betting odds to reflect Denver as a -600 favorite. However, according to the company, an error in the live-odds feed caused the Broncos to be posted as 750-1 (+75,000) underdogs to win the game.

http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id...due-line-error

So for 18 seconds, the live betting system was screwed up and listed a team very likely to win as a 750-1 dog.

Anyone who bet that knew exactly what they were doing, and I agree that FanDuel shouldn't be required to pay them.

What if, instead of 750:1, the line was 750,000:1?

Would these guys believe they were in line to get $80 million from a $100 bet?

Give me a fucking break.

I'm pretty sure the law n New Jersey allows FanDuel to do this, when the line was clearly an egregious error.

Had FanDuel listed +600 instead of -600, my guess is that they would have paid it, and in fact may have had a hard time legally cancelling it.

Similar consumer laws guide advertised sale prices.

If you see an advertised item worth $2000 in the paper as $1000, they typically have to honor it.

However, if an item worth $2000 is erroneously listed as $20, they typically don't.

There's a point where a reasonable person cannot claim they really thought the price was legitimate. Same thing goes here.

I agree Druff. These guys knew for sure it was an error. This has happened to everybody who makes in play wagers online . It's happened to me a few times with my online book during NBA games but on a smaller scale . I've asked the same question most people ask if the bet lost would the money be refunded . The answer is yes it will.

These guys have zero chance of getting anything.

[Gookieheimowitz]

I'll give you a live sports book version of this that a guy did get paid.

Years ago I was sitting in the Showboat sports book in Vegas . Minding my own business watching a game. A guy walks up to the counter and asks to speak with book manager.

He says to manager why are the New Jersey Devil's 8-1 on the board to win the Stanley cup? This was during the Eastern Conference finals and the Devil's where down 3-0 in the series. Sports book manager changes line to 30-1 and guy promptly drops Ten Dimes on the wager.

Devil's won the cup that year .


True story and good for that guy whoever he was

[Daly]

Yeah, LOL at these guys playing victim.

They placed a +75000 moneyline bet on the Broncos. That's 750-to-1.

Even worse, it was a live bet when the Broncos were heavily favored to win in the 4th quarter.



http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id...due-line-error

So for 18 seconds, the live betting system was screwed up and listed a team very likely to win as a 750-1 dog.

Anyone who bet that knew exactly what they were doing, and I agree that FanDuel shouldn't be required to pay them.

What if, instead of 750:1, the line was 750,000:1?

Would these guys believe they were in line to get $80 million from a $100 bet?

Give me a fucking break.

I'm pretty sure the law n New Jersey allows FanDuel to do this, when the line was clearly an egregious error.

Had FanDuel listed +600 instead of -600, my guess is that they would have paid it, and in fact may have had a hard time legally cancelling it.

Similar consumer laws guide advertised sale prices.

If you see an advertised item worth $2000 in the paper as $1000, they typically have to honor it.

However, if an item worth $2000 is erroneously listed as $20, they typically don't.

There's a point where a reasonable person cannot claim they really thought the price was legitimate. Same thing goes here.

I agree Druff. These guys knew for sure it was an error. This has happened to everybody who makes in play wagers online . It's happened to me a few times with my online book during NBA games but on a smaller scale . I've asked the same question most people ask if the bet lost would the money be refunded . The answer is yes it will.

These guys have zero chance of getting anything.

The chance is much better than zero because of the “bets are intended as written” statement that they put on the tickets. There are varying previous rulings on these situations in the past at brick and mortar sports books. If this was offshore Tony from 5 dimes would not only invalidate the bet but close your account and keep the $$.

[go_buccos]

I agree Druff. These guys knew for sure it was an error. This has happened to everybody who makes in play wagers online . It's happened to me a few times with my online book during NBA games but on a smaller scale . I've asked the same question most people ask if the bet lost would the money be refunded . The answer is yes it will.

These guys have zero chance of getting anything.

The chance is much better than zero because of the “bets are intended as written” statement that they put on the tickets. There are varying previous rulings on these situations in the past at brick and mortar sports books. If this was offshore Tony from 5 dimes would not only invalidate the bet but close your account and keep the $$.

Not so fast here, guys... Daly is on the right track.

I’m not all that familiar with New Jersey sportsbook regs, but if this happened in Nevada, these guys 100% get paid the full amount, then 86’ed. Nevada law is very clear: Tickets go “as written.” This has been settled precedent for decades. We start going down a slippery slope when erroneously booked tickets can just be cancelled unilaterally. What then would prevent an incompetent book from cancelling ANY wager where they had super-unbalanced action on one side and wound up taking a bath in it, claiming a “bad line?”

I remember several years ago when a book (I think Golden Nugget) posted LSU +33.5 (should have been -33.5) vs. LA-Lafayette. It was up for several hours and many sharps got limit bets at that number before it was caught. Gaming made them pay. They then of course kicked out literally every single person who bet it, sharp or not.

Druff, let me present you with another scenario:

Let’s say you found a progressive double double bonus video poker machine with a glaring payout error: the straight flush progressive was mistakenly set to pay out on ANY straight. This is worth four figures an hour in EV.

Do you report the mistake to management, or do you sit down and play it until they either tell you you can’t anymore, or until you fall out of the chair from exhaustion?

I think you and I both know the answer. What if they then came after you for the winnings?

(By the way, that really happened in a Nevada casino several years ago.)

Siding with the book in this case is no different than siding with the Borgata against Phil Ivey. It’s the book’s responsibility to work this stuff out BEFORE they go public with it.

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It’s the book’s responsibility to work this stuff out BEFORE they go public with it.

As much as these retards who made those bets are trying to be angle-shooting fucks, FanDuel fucked up also by trying to just give them the -600 the line should have been. I believe the play before that completion, DEN was +340. Should have like doubled that and just offered to pay those bettors out at +680 or something + offer some other bonuses to mitigate their fuck-up.

[duped_samaritan]

This made it to front page of hacker news, crazy.
https://news.ycombinator.com/

[go_buccos]

It’s the book’s responsibility to work this stuff out BEFORE they go public with it.

As much as these retards who made those bets are trying to be angle-shooting fucks, FanDuel fucked up also by trying to just give them the -600 the line should have been. I believe the play before that completion, DEN was +340. Should have like doubled that and just offered to pay those bettors out at +680 or something + offer some other bonuses to mitigate their fuck-up.

They actually did. They offered the one guy who went public $500 and Giants skybox tickets. (Not joking.)

He obviously said no.

I suspect this ends in a confidential settlement of some kind. If I’m the guy, I’m not taking less than $20,000.

[sebokcockshot]

Even though it was an angle it would be nice for a change (unlike for Ivey) where the House isn’t auto bailed out for their ignorance. If the players accidentally bet too much or misinterpret odds into betting heavy they don’t get their money back. It would be extreme to make em pay it, but a joke that they might fine them a million bucks for the lack of controls versus having em pay out less total money to the players.

It potentially would be the best press the books could get if they were forced to pay where many would be scouring the site looking to bet on what they feel are mistakes going forward. But would take awhile to make up that kind of error obv

[Gookieheimowitz]

You guys are funny. Guy ain't getting a penny. This literally happens more often then it should . If odds where still posted by hand he may have a chance buy they are not . This is no different than a slot machine malfunction. If guy goes to court he will surely lose. He should of took the 5 yards and worthless Giants tickets . Surprised they even offered it.

Beat

[ftpjesus]

The chance is much better than zero because of the “bets are intended as written” statement that they put on the tickets. There are varying previous rulings on these situations in the past at brick and mortar sports books. If this was offshore Tony from 5 dimes would not only invalidate the bet but close your account and keep the $$.

Not so fast here, guys... Daly is on the right track.

I’m not all that familiar with New Jersey sportsbook regs, but if this happened in Nevada, these guys 100% get paid the full amount, then 86’ed. Nevada law is very clear: Tickets go “as written.” This has been settled precedent for decades. We start going down a slippery slope when erroneously booked tickets can just be cancelled unilaterally. What then would prevent an incompetent book from cancelling ANY wager where they had super-unbalanced action on one side and wound up taking a bath in it, claiming a “bad line?”

I remember several years ago when a book (I think Golden Nugget) posted LSU +33.5 (should have been -33.5) vs. LA-Lafayette. It was up for several hours and many sharps got limit bets at that number before it was caught. Gaming made them pay. They then of course kicked out literally every single person who bet it, sharp or not.

Druff, let me present you with another scenario:

Let’s say you found a progressive double double bonus video poker machine with a glaring payout error: the straight flush progressive was mistakenly set to pay out on ANY straight. This is worth four figures an hour in EV.

Do you report the mistake to management, or do you sit down and play it until they either tell you you can’t anymore, or until you fall out of the chair from exhaustion?

I think you and I both know the answer. What if they then came after you for the winnings?

(By the way, that really happened in a Nevada casino several years ago.)

Siding with the book in this case is no different than siding with the Borgata against Phil Ivey. It’s the book’s responsibility to work this stuff out BEFORE they go public with it.

Lets also not forget another key issue.. NJ Gaming laws are much more bettor friendly compared to Vegas and others.. NJ casinos cant kick Card Counters is probably the best known fact about NJ gaming.. I cant speak obviously on what they passed to legalize Sports betting but I wouldn't be surprised there maybe something that may force Fanduel to pay out to the bettors maybe not completely but could be more then just refunding their money.. The error was done by the book and they can claim it was a glitch when in fact unlike a slot machine which can fuck up running somebody had to have pushed a button to change that line and thus the human involvement issue may have an effect..

[GambleBotsChafedPenis]

Not so fast here, guys... Daly is on the right track.

I’m not all that familiar with New Jersey sportsbook regs, but if this happened in Nevada, these guys 100% get paid the full amount, then 86’ed. Nevada law is very clear: Tickets go “as written.” This has been settled precedent for decades. We start going down a slippery slope when erroneously booked tickets can just be cancelled unilaterally. What then would prevent an incompetent book from cancelling ANY wager where they had super-unbalanced action on one side and wound up taking a bath in it, claiming a “bad line?”

I remember several years ago when a book (I think Golden Nugget) posted LSU +33.5 (should have been -33.5) vs. LA-Lafayette. It was up for several hours and many sharps got limit bets at that number before it was caught. Gaming made them pay. They then of course kicked out literally every single person who bet it, sharp or not.

Druff, let me present you with another scenario:

Let’s say you found a progressive double double bonus video poker machine with a glaring payout error: the straight flush progressive was mistakenly set to pay out on ANY straight. This is worth four figures an hour in EV.

Do you report the mistake to management, or do you sit down and play it until they either tell you you can’t anymore, or until you fall out of the chair from exhaustion?

I think you and I both know the answer. What if they then came after you for the winnings?

(By the way, that really happened in a Nevada casino several years ago.)

Siding with the book in this case is no different than siding with the Borgata against Phil Ivey. It’s the book’s responsibility to work this stuff out BEFORE they go public with it.

Lets also not forget another key issue.. NJ Gaming laws are much more bettor friendly compared to Vegas and others.. NJ casinos cant kick Card Counters is probably the best known fact about NJ gaming.. I cant speak obviously on what they passed to legalize Sports betting but I wouldn't be surprised there maybe something that may force Fanduel to pay out to the bettors maybe not completely but could be more then just refunding their money.. The error was done by the book and they can claim it was a glitch when in fact unlike a slot machine which can fuck up running somebody had to have pushed a button to change that line and thus the human involvement issue may have an effect..

while this might be the case with the card counter thing, I don't remember any high profile cases like this that the casino has lost...obviously there is the ivey/Borgata thing and then there was that case of the morons at the GN not shuffling cards for baccarat and the players figuring it out and taking $1.5M from them...

https://www.nj.com/business/index.ss...be_return.html

the interesting thing about this is that FD is obviously not a casino so it will be interesting to see from that angle what jersey does...think the guy is still fucked, but want to see if gaming slaps a nice sized fine on FD for this one...

[Gookieheimowitz]

Not so fast here, guys... Daly is on the right track.

I’m not all that familiar with New Jersey sportsbook regs, but if this happened in Nevada, these guys 100% get paid the full amount, then 86’ed. Nevada law is very clear: Tickets go “as written.” This has been settled precedent for decades. We start going down a slippery slope when erroneously booked tickets can just be cancelled unilaterally. What then would prevent an incompetent book from cancelling ANY wager where they had super-unbalanced action on one side and wound up taking a bath in it, claiming a “bad line?”

I remember several years ago when a book (I think Golden Nugget) posted LSU +33.5 (should have been -33.5) vs. LA-Lafayette. It was up for several hours and many sharps got limit bets at that number before it was caught. Gaming made them pay. They then of course kicked out literally every single person who bet it, sharp or not.

Druff, let me present you with another scenario:

Let’s say you found a progressive double double bonus video poker machine with a glaring payout error: the straight flush progressive was mistakenly set to pay out on ANY straight. This is worth four figures an hour in EV.

Do you report the mistake to management, or do you sit down and play it until they either tell you you can’t anymore, or until you fall out of the chair from exhaustion?

I think you and I both know the answer. What if they then came after you for the winnings?

(By the way, that really happened in a Nevada casino several years ago.)

Siding with the book in this case is no different than siding with the Borgata against Phil Ivey. It’s the book’s responsibility to work this stuff out BEFORE they go public with it.

Lets also not forget another key issue.. NJ Gaming laws are much more bettor friendly compared to Vegas and others.. NJ casinos cant kick Card Counters is probably the best known fact about NJ gaming.. I cant speak obviously on what they passed to legalize Sports betting but I wouldn't be surprised there maybe something that may force Fanduel to pay out to the bettors maybe not completely but could be more then just refunding their money.. The error was done by the book and they can claim it was a glitch when in fact unlike a slot machine which can fuck up running somebody had to have pushed a button to change that line and thus the human involvement issue may have an effect..

You are not correct . This is not human error . If it was human error again guy might stand a chance. The in play odds are 100% Computer generated . While someone is watching it at all times and it took a HUMAN 18 seconds to correct the computer mistake . It's clearly a MACHINE malfunction . Hence forth will be viewed as such and the guy is beat. This was absolutely bound to happen and will happen again and again . The guy should have never went public with this and obviously he is clueless as to how sports books operate with in play wagering. A human could never spit out odds after every play in that many games per day.

How do you guys not get this? I understand we all want the book to have to pay but it's not going to happen. Clearly from just a political view what judge would ever rule this in favor of the Gambler?

Makes the state and who they gave liscenses to look stupid.

[ftpjesus]

Lets also not forget another key issue.. NJ Gaming laws are much more bettor friendly compared to Vegas and others.. NJ casinos cant kick Card Counters is probably the best known fact about NJ gaming.. I cant speak obviously on what they passed to legalize Sports betting but I wouldn't be surprised there maybe something that may force Fanduel to pay out to the bettors maybe not completely but could be more then just refunding their money.. The error was done by the book and they can claim it was a glitch when in fact unlike a slot machine which can fuck up running somebody had to have pushed a button to change that line and thus the human involvement issue may have an effect..

You are not correct . This is not human error . If it was human error again guy might stand a chance. The in play odds are 100% Computer generated . While someone is watching it at all times and it took a HUMAN 18 seconds to correct the computer mistake . It's clearly a MACHINE malfunction . Hence forth will be viewed as such and the guy is beat. This was absolutely bound to happen and will happen again and again . The guy should have never went public with this and obviously he is clueless as to how sports books operate with in play wagering. A human could never spit out odds after every play in that many games per day.

How do you guys not get this? I understand we all want the book to have to pay but it's not going to happen. Clearly from just a political view what judge would ever rule this in favor of the Gambler?

Makes the state and who they gave liscenses to look stupid.

PAID IN FULL!!!! According to report on ESPN, Fanduel agreed to pay all bettors after consultation with NJ Gaming.. Looks like I was right after all.. FD basically hit the worst bad beat in the short history of Sports Betting in NJ and NJGDE told them

[Gookieheimowitz]

Horrible now every single human will be waiting to angle the books in Jersey.

Good for the guys who got paid. Never thought it would happen.

Well played

[Daly]

Horrible now every single human will be waiting to angle the books in Jersey.

Good for the guys who got paid. Never thought it would happen.

Well played

It’s a “slippery slope”. The industry is going to get together and put some sort of rules on these type of events.

It’s easy to say fuck the book because in the end they are there to fuck you. At the same time it was clearly an error.