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    Wisconsin Republican Party says hackers targeted & stole over $2.3 million from an account dedicated to President Trump’s reelection.


    thoughts and prayers people
    This is actually indicative of the incompetence of the Trump campaign this time around.

    I was very disappointed in it. Very poorly run. Trump did himself no favors with his usual erratic behavior at a time when nobody is in the mood to see such a thing.

    punch line the fbi is now denying a hack happened and smart money play is leaning towards someone embezzled it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Nice try with that copypasta, les.

    Now let's go with some real, cold hard numbers which can't be massaged using statistical manipulation. And let's go with numbers from recent years, not 2009.

    I present to you the Washington Post Police Shootings Database:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ings-database/

    Ignore all the biased rhetoric at the beginning, and scroll down to the database itself.

    There you can select all the info about every demographic you could ever want to know, regarding police shootings.

    I just did this.

    23 unarmed black people were shot by the cops in 2018.
    14 unarmed black people were shot by the cops in 2019.

    So in the last two full years on record, we are averaging 18.5 unarmed black men shot by police each year. Sure, it would be great if the number were zero, but that's impossible in a huge country of 330 million people, where there will always be both bad cops and human mistakes.

    Therefore, with 42 million black people in the US, and only 37 shot unarmed by cops in the past 2 years, I'd say that this isn't an epidemic which is exterminating large numbers of black people.
    You can take this a step further, most of those shootings were still justified. The idea that cops are going around killing unarmed black men for fun/sport because cops are racist is.........retarded. The odds of getting shot for no reason by a cop are around the same as dying from being struck by lightning.

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    blake, there won't be a collapse of the party.

    Maybe a retooling.

    If Biden wins, and if Democrats have all three houses, you can count on a lot of things happening which piss people off, resulting in a shellacking in the midterms.

    That's pretty much exactly what happened in 1994.

    While Clinton was a good enough politician to change course and save himself for 1996 (a bad Republican candidate in Dole helped, too), that 1994 win set the stage for Republicans to reshape the map and come back into prominence.

    Once the noise of Trump is gone, and the Democrats have full control, there's no way they're going to pull off a lot of their extreme ideas without making a lot of centrists feel really uncomfortable.

    You know when a tremendous backlash will come against Democrats? When they finally get socialized medicine into law (which will happen eventually), and people start to realize the reality of what is really is. Right now, many Americans have a rosy view of what to expect -- free healthcare for all! Never another medical bill! Everything treated and taken care of!

    When they see the ugly reality of 6-month waits for specialists, denied tests, and 6-month waits for other tests, there will be panic. There will be even more panic when people come down with cancer symptoms and can't get into the doctor for 3 months. Republicans should win in a landslide in the following election. Sadly, we have to destroy our healthcare to get there, so I'm not looking forward to that, especially as my parents advance further in age, and even I start getting into further into the age where shit can go wrong.

    Anyway, that's the future.

    The present is that Trump will probably lose, Dems will get the Senate, and I will have to endure 2 years of watching a lot of really awful changes. But perhaps the party really does need kind of a reset in order to prevent losing states like Texas, so long term that may not be all that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
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    Try leaving NYC and visiting small town America. Tell those people how "privileged" they are. These people come from lack of education, lack of opportunity in the area, and lack of family wealth going back many generations.

    If they apply to college, they are legally discriminated against for being white, making it more difficult to get accepted and break the above cycle.

    Have you spent any time in places like that? I have.

    Telling them, "Yeah but you don't get shot by da police!!!111" doesn't mean much, because neither do 99.9999% of unarmed black people each year. Seriously. Look it up.




    You mean the incredibly weak condemnation which occurred months into it, where Trump was still blamed for it? And where Biden refused to condemn or acknowledge Antifa being real?

    What kind of "peaceful protest" needs to be defended? The kind we saw in Philly yesterday, where people were wheeling out TVs on dollys?



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    Imagine fighting to take away the power to decide when an abortion is appropriate from the Woman and her Doctor, and giving it to the Federal Government.
    If I can get a doctor's permission to murder you, are you cool with that?

    Do you understand how absurd this is? Do you know how many unethical doctors there are out there, who will do anything for a buck, as long as they can't get in trouble?

    Glad to see you are admitting you are in favor of allowing the killing a fully developed, fully grown, fully viable, healthy human being, as long as a "doctor" rubber-stamps it.





    Point proven.

    The above is how out of touch today's coastal left is.

    They really believe abortion at 9 months is ok, there's only "peaceful protest" going on in 2020 (or that the Dems are strongly condemning it in the rare case there isn't), and that all whites have privilege, even if they come from many generations of poverty and live in an area of little opportunity.

    Try coming to small town America and saying this shit. They will look at you like you're an alien. These are insane concepts which have replicated like a virus, mostly in response to the growing acceptance of hyper-left politics in response to the "evils" of Trump.

    People like you are why Trump has so many followers, and why he makes sense to them. When the left wants to come back down to earth. and stops backing insane extremism, people will stop voting for assholes like Trump.

    Until then, even guys like me are forced to back assholes like Trump, because the other side is so unpalatable.
    the irony, of course, is that because trump is so intentionally divisive (and clinically retarded) that he is pushing people further left.

    You just don’t get it man. Can’t you see how extreme Clinton and Biden are? Trump is the real moderate who brings people together...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    blake, there won't be a collapse of the party.

    Maybe a retooling.

    If Biden wins, and if Democrats have all three houses, you can count on a lot of things happening which piss people off, resulting in a shellacking in the midterms.

    That's pretty much exactly what happened in 1994.

    While Clinton was a good enough politician to change course and save himself for 1996 (a bad Republican candidate in Dole helped, too), that 1994 win set the stage for Republicans to reshape the map and come back into prominence.

    Once the noise of Trump is gone, and the Democrats have full control, there's no way they're going to pull off a lot of their extreme ideas without making a lot of centrists feel really uncomfortable.

    You know when a tremendous backlash will come against Democrats? When they finally get socialized medicine into law (which will happen eventually), and people start to realize the reality of what is really is. Right now, many Americans have a rosy view of what to expect -- free healthcare for all! Never another medical bill! Everything treated and taken care of!

    When they see the ugly reality of 6-month waits for specialists, denied tests, and 6-month waits for other tests, there will be panic. There will be even more panic when people come down with cancer symptoms and can't get into the doctor for 3 months. Republicans should win in a landslide in the following election. Sadly, we have to destroy our healthcare to get there, so I'm not looking forward to that, especially as my parents advance further in age, and even I start getting into further into the age where shit can go wrong.

    Anyway, that's the future.

    The present is that Trump will probably lose, Dems will get the Senate, and I will have to endure 2 years of watching a lot of really awful changes. But perhaps the party really does need kind of a reset in order to prevent losing states like Texas, so long term that may not be all that bad.
    Republicans have no one to blame but themselves for electing someone so unhinge who actively made fun and taunted his own citizens on twitter. Seriously had any other republican won they would be cruising to reelection here. You put a lunatic in the whitehouse and then complain when he doesn’t get re-elected.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
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    the irony, of course, is that because trump is so intentionally divisive (and clinically retarded) that he is pushing people further left.
    The left’s insane march to the fringes has been churning for the last two decades or more as liberals have marched through and taken control of all of our country’s major institutions.

    The Ferguson lie and other incidents occurred under Obama and he pushed the narrative further off the cliff. This was always coming. If you want to claim that Trump has been an accelerant largely because of media hysteria and dishonesty and that’s emboldened the left to reveal themselves quicker, sure, but to blame Trump for the state of the Left is LOL
    i didn't like obama too much in his 2nd term. i actually voted against him.

    but what trump is doing is waaaaay different. he's being intentionally divisive. he says things with the actual intent to rally against half of america. we haven't seen a president that has not even given lip service to being a president for everybody before.
    He’s the first guy on the Right to go on the offensive against the left and a lot of people don’t have the stomach for it. It’s maybe the biggest reason why he won the Presidency because there was an enormous appetite for someone on the Right to fight back.

    The left has has had the GOP on its heels and playing defense for the past 30 years on social conservatism. People on the right had enough and that’s why Trump won.

    The old GOP is dead in terms of being a political force. Free market and limited government arguments won’t win any more elections. The only way forward for the right to wield any kind of institutional power is MAGA. Trump is the only weapon the Right has in the culture war and he’s shown the way forward.

    If MAGA dies the libs will grab power and never let go. The elites know this which is why they’re so desperate to defeat Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightmarefish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Nice try with that copypasta, les.

    Now let's go with some real, cold hard numbers which can't be massaged using statistical manipulation. And let's go with numbers from recent years, not 2009.

    I present to you the Washington Post Police Shootings Database:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ings-database/

    Ignore all the biased rhetoric at the beginning, and scroll down to the database itself.

    There you can select all the info about every demographic you could ever want to know, regarding police shootings.

    I just did this.

    23 unarmed black people were shot by the cops in 2018.
    14 unarmed black people were shot by the cops in 2019.

    So in the last two full years on record, we are averaging 18.5 unarmed black men shot by police each year. Sure, it would be great if the number were zero, but that's impossible in a huge country of 330 million people, where there will always be both bad cops and human mistakes.

    Therefore, with 42 million black people in the US, and only 37 shot unarmed by cops in the past 2 years, I'd say that this isn't an epidemic which is exterminating large numbers of black people.
    You can take this a step further, most of those shootings were still justified. The idea that cops are going around killing unarmed black men for fun/sport because cops are racist is.........retarded. The odds of getting shot for no reason by a cop are around the same as dying from being struck by lightning.
    Maybe you can take it further but the rest of us will require proof of what you say. Justified? Where's the data?
    Last sentence is not the issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiffCo99 View Post
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    The left’s insane march to the fringes has been churning for the last two decades or more as liberals have marched through and taken control of all of our country’s major institutions.

    The Ferguson lie and other incidents occurred under Obama and he pushed the narrative further off the cliff. This was always coming. If you want to claim that Trump has been an accelerant largely because of media hysteria and dishonesty and that’s emboldened the left to reveal themselves quicker, sure, but to blame Trump for the state of the Left is LOL
    i didn't like obama too much in his 2nd term. i actually voted against him.

    but what trump is doing is waaaaay different. he's being intentionally divisive. he says things with the actual intent to rally against half of america. we haven't seen a president that has not even given lip service to being a president for everybody before.
    He’s the first guy on the Right to go on the offensive against the left and a lot of people don’t have the stomach for it. It’s maybe the biggest reason why he won the Presidency because there was an enormous appetite for someone on the Right to fight back.

    The left has has had the GOP on its heels and playing defense for the past 30 years on social conservatism. People on the right had enough and that’s why Trump won.

    The old GOP is dead in terms of being a political force. Free market and limited government arguments won’t win any more elections. The only way forward for the right to wield any kind of institutional power is MAGA. Trump is the only weapon the Right has in the culture war and he’s shown the way forward.

    If MAGA dies the libs will grab power and never let go. The elites know this which is why they’re so desperate to defeat Trump.
    i'm not sure about this.

    trump's policy proposals are clearly popular with a lot of people.

    if you had a "normal" candidate who pushed for a border wall and other social issues that a lot of mainstream republicans and democrats believe in, without the dumb statements, that candidate could win.

    trump may have given republicans a blueprint for how to win elections.

    push economic populism, bring back manufacturing jobs (or try, anyway), appeal to blue collar workers...

    if that candidate just acted normal, he could win easily

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    blake, there won't be a collapse of the party.

    Maybe a retooling.

    If Biden wins, and if Democrats have all three houses, you can count on a lot of things happening which piss people off, resulting in a shellacking in the midterms.

    That's pretty much exactly what happened in 1994.

    While Clinton was a good enough politician to change course and save himself for 1996 (a bad Republican candidate in Dole helped, too), that 1994 win set the stage for Republicans to reshape the map and come back into prominence.

    Once the noise of Trump is gone, and the Democrats have full control, there's no way they're going to pull off a lot of their extreme ideas without making a lot of centrists feel really uncomfortable.

    You know when a tremendous backlash will come against Democrats? When they finally get socialized medicine into law (which will happen eventually), and people start to realize the reality of what is really is. Right now, many Americans have a rosy view of what to expect -- free healthcare for all! Never another medical bill! Everything treated and taken care of!

    When they see the ugly reality of 6-month waits for specialists, denied tests, and 6-month waits for other tests, there will be panic. There will be even more panic when people come down with cancer symptoms and can't get into the doctor for 3 months. Republicans should win in a landslide in the following election. Sadly, we have to destroy our healthcare to get there, so I'm not looking forward to that, especially as my parents advance further in age, and even I start getting into further into the age where shit can go wrong.

    Anyway, that's the future.

    The present is that Trump will probably lose, Dems will get the Senate, and I will have to endure 2 years of watching a lot of really awful changes. But perhaps the party really does need kind of a reset in order to prevent losing states like Texas, so long term that may not be all that bad.

    i agree pretty much with the retooling thing. but i totally disagree at the idea that there will be "awful changes".

    lol at thinking anything meaningful ever gets done in washington.

    even as much as i hate trump, i'm not sure what big changes he actually made that had any effect on me whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    i really want biden to somehow win texas

    i desperately want team retard to be the actual reason for the complete collapse of the party
    When you look at the trajectory of states and see early voting in Texas and Florida and Georgia, see the trends in the west, you come away unconvinced we will win those states this time, and I’m still nervous about the general, but I look and think the GOP better have a Hispanic candidate ready to roll going forward if they don’t want to lose by 200 every election come 2028 or so. It feels those places will be almost solidly blue by then.

    If I was a republican, I don’t know if I care if I lose that much. 4 more years of Trump and you could see an AOC emerge policy wise. If Biden mucks around for 4 years, you may push back the inevitable by 10-15 years. That would be my solace as if I was a republican and I lose. We got 3 SC justices and this guy might have eventually turned Texas and Georgia and NC blue forever next election rather than in 10-15 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post

    i didn't like obama too much in his 2nd term. i actually voted against him.

    but what trump is doing is waaaaay different. he's being intentionally divisive. he says things with the actual intent to rally against half of america. we haven't seen a president that has not even given lip service to being a president for everybody before.
    He’s the first guy on the Right to go on the offensive against the left and a lot of people don’t have the stomach for it. It’s maybe the biggest reason why he won the Presidency because there was an enormous appetite for someone on the Right to fight back.

    The left has has had the GOP on its heels and playing defense for the past 30 years on social conservatism. People on the right had enough and that’s why Trump won.

    The old GOP is dead in terms of being a political force. Free market and limited government arguments won’t win any more elections. The only way forward for the right to wield any kind of institutional power is MAGA. Trump is the only weapon the Right has in the culture war and he’s shown the way forward.

    If MAGA dies the libs will grab power and never let go. The elites know this which is why they’re so desperate to defeat Trump.
    i'm not sure about this.

    trump's policy proposals are clearly popular with a lot of people.

    if you had a "normal" candidate who pushed for a border wall and other social issues that a lot of mainstream republicans and democrats believe in, without the dumb statements, that candidate could win.

    trump may have given republicans a blueprint for how to win elections.

    push economic populism, bring back manufacturing jobs (or try, anyway), appeal to blue collar workers...

    if that candidate just acted normal, he could win easily
    I agree and I would be all for a more polished version of Trump but the tenacity and fight needs to remain. MAGA policies are the key as you’re right, they are broadly popular.

    The thing that worries me is that many influential people on the right want to return to the Mitt Romney types who will always cuck to the left when push comes to shove.

    I mean, if anyone thinks a Haley/Crenshaw 2024 ticket is a good idea they just don’t get it. That ticket doesn’t have what it takes to win a general election and energize a base and they will always let the left control the narrative.

    If Trump wins it’a a validation of MAGA and stops the Dems from transforming the country but if he loses the conservative movement could be essentially finished and the Republican Party will be opposition in name only.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    i really want biden to somehow win texas

    i desperately want team retard to be the actual reason for the complete collapse of the party
    When you look at the trajectory of states and see early voting in Texas and Florida and Georgia, see the trends in the west, you come away unconvinced we will win those states this time, and I’m still nervous about the general, but I look and think the GOP better have a Hispanic candidate ready to roll going forward if they don’t want to lose by 200 every election come 2028 or so. It feels those places will be almost solidly blue by then.

    If I was a republican, I don’t know if I care if I lose that much. 4 more years of Trump and you could see an AOC emerge policy wise. If Biden mucks around for 4 years, you may push back the inevitable by 10-15 years. That would be my solace as if I was a republican and I lose. We got 3 SC justices and this guy might have eventually turned Texas and Georgia and NC blue forever next election rather than in 10-15 years.
    .
    The problem is the parties aren't stagnate even though we like to think they are.

    Heck, just 3.5 years ago Democrats were pro tariffs and Republicans believed in free trade. Then Trump comes along and Democrats all of sudden become free traders.

    Point being that the issues and the parties will continue to move around and continue to figure out ways to divide people.

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    Imagine having a general grasp of US History and thinking White Men are not privileged.


    Imagine repeatedly condemning looting and violence, on the record only to have the President lie about it and millions of people believe him...all for defending the right to peacefully protest.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    and that abortion is a woman's choice at 9 months (even if her life isn't in danger).
    Imagine fighting to take away the power to decide when an abortion is appropriate from the Woman and her Doctor, and giving it to the Federal Government.
    If you are a white collar white guy living in a town of 15,000 people making $18 per hour slaughtering chickens you don’t feel that privilege in any way.

    If you turn on the tv when you get home and watch the news media call them mostly peaceful protests while a building is on fire directly behind you, it makes people believe that the media and by extension Democrats are lying to them.

    What’s worse, 220,000 COVID deaths or 220,000 Black abortions since the beginning of the pandemic? Which one is more racist COVID or abortion? Literally your side has supported a genocide 7x worse than Hitler on Black people the last 40 years. Your policies have made them become the second largest minority group in the US. It’s hilarious though that your party has supported the deaths of 40 million Black babies even though it would have secured your party’s control for the next 50 years.
    Genocide 7x worse then Hitler?... absurd.


    Republicans seem to care more for an unborn fetus then those already living.

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    If Biden is slipping in Oakland County, MI he is not going to win the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty_Aus View Post


    Republicans seem to care more for an unborn fetus then those already living.



    thats the mentality. they have become addicted to this issue. the christian fundamentalists have effectively performed a hostile takeover of the entire conservative movement, hollowed it out, and converted it into a vehicle for fundamentalism. and the virus they used to deliver that payload is the 'pro life' movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
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    Try leaving NYC and visiting small town America. Tell those people how "privileged" they are. These people come from lack of education, lack of opportunity in the area, and lack of family wealth going back many generations.

    If they apply to college, they are legally discriminated against for being white, making it more difficult to get accepted and break the above cycle.

    Have you spent any time in places like that? I have.

    Telling them, "Yeah but you don't get shot by da police!!!111" doesn't mean much, because neither do 99.9999% of unarmed black people each year. Seriously. Look it up.
    So I looked it up. Took a couple of minutes

    Deaths Due to Use of Lethal Force by Law Enforcement


    Findings From the National Violent Death Reporting System, 17 U.S. States, 2009–2012

    Several high-profile cases in the U.S. have drawn public attention to the use of lethal force by law enforcement (LE), yet research on such fatalities is limited

    Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

    Government officials, academic researchers and media outlets launched data-collection projects around that time to better understand the frequency of police violence and the risk factors that contribute to it. From these growing data sets come some disturbing findings. About 1,000 civilians are killed each year by law-enforcement officers in the United States. By one estimate, Black men are 2.5 times more likely than white men to be killed by police during their lifetime1. And in another study, Black people who were fatally shot by police seemed to be twice as likely as white people to be unarmed2.


    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Try leaving NYC and visiting small town America. Tell those people how "privileged" they are. These people come from lack of education, lack of opportunity in the area, and lack of family wealth going back many generations.

    If they apply to college, they are legally discriminated against for being white, making it more difficult to get accepted and break the above cycle.

    Have you spent any time in places like that? I have.

    Telling them, "Yeah but you don't get shot by da police!!!111" doesn't mean much, because neither do 99.9999% of unarmed black people each year. Seriously. Look it up.
    So your argument against White privilege is 'there are poor uneducated white people also, I saw them myself'

    Drawing a conclusion about a society of 350 million people based on what you see is like arguing that you should fold KK because an Ace always flops. You have to do the math and forget about the hands you 'remember'.

    When do you think white privilege stopped being a thing, or do you think it was never a thing?

    Because there's always been poor, uneducated white people in America, including during the times of slavery.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan

    Imagine repeatedly condemning looting and violence, on the record only to have the President lie about it and millions of people believe him...all for defending the right to peacefully protest.
    You mean the incredibly weak condemnation which occurred months into it, where Trump was still blamed for it? And where Biden refused to condemn or acknowledge Antifa being real?
    Why are you doing this? Repeating the same lies over and over. It's like since you disagree with what the protesters are protesting, and the democrats support the protesters, you don't think there's anything wrong with straight up lying.

    Here, I'll give you another chance to ignore the truth:

    Biden:

    May 29:

    they have a right to be, in fact, angry and frustrated. And more violence, hurting more people, isn’t going to answer the question.

    May 31:

    Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.
    The act of protesting should never be allowed to overshadow the reason we protest. It should not drive people away from the just cause that protest is meant to advance.


    June 2:

    there is no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches, or destroying businesses,


    James Clyburn, June 3:

    We have to make sure we do not allow ourselves to play the other person’s game,” Clyburn said. “Peaceful protest is our game. Violence is their game. Purposeful protest is our game. This looting and rioting, that's their game. We cannot allow ourselves to play their game.

    Breaking out a window will not contribute to that. Setting a fire, throwing stones at police officers, that’s destructive behavior, which will not contribute to anything that will make this a better country and make a better future for our children and our grandchildren


    There's plenty more.


    What kind of "peaceful protest" needs to be defended? The kind we saw in Philly yesterday, where people were wheeling out TVs on dollys?
    Over 95% of the 8,000+ summer protests were peaceful. People who disagree with what the protesters were protesting are spreading misinformation to make them all look like violent criminals. You're one of those people.


    Point proven.

    The above is how far gone Druff is. Seems like only yesterday he was able to think critically with the best of them.

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