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    Quote Originally Posted by limitles View Post
    My point was you constantly paint everything left or right ignoring serious problems affecting today’s world. Shedding blame on a specific group for problems that affect everyone is not just foolish and wrong it also prolongs or worsens those problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    What the fuck are these losers even rallying for? What’s next? A rally for gaining independence from the crown and British rule? Because they’ve had an uninterrupted right to own guns since the same era. All this over some common sense state statute allowing police to not let people dangerous to themselves or others transfer weapons. That’s what this rally is about, right?
    There are many on the left today -- including the mainstream left -- who want full scale gun control.

    Whenever there's a mass shooting and you hear crying abut, "When are we finally going to do something about this?", that's code for, "When are we finally going to take people's guns away?"

    Hell, even Beto stated it directly on national TV.

    Most of them aren't marching because of fear of small tweaks in gun laws which will make it more difficult to transfer guns or difficult to own high powered weaponry. Yeah, they're worried about that, too, but those efforts have been going on for decades, and the gun crowd has been relatively quiet. The real worry here is that full scale gun control the ultimate plan for the Democratic Party, and that it's going to start with "common sense reform".

    Some people laughed at this, but I stated awhile ago that a real path to common sense gun reform would involve Democrats signing a pledge that they will not pursue full scale gun control at any time, and that they don't and won't support such a thing. I realize that the pledge wouldn't be legally binding in any way, but at least it would be something the Republicans could use in future debates/discussions if it were to come up.

    Many Democrats criticize Bernie not for being too far left, but for being too far left in 2020. They feel he'd be too much of a shock to the system, and nothing would get done, even if he were elected. Many feel the correct plan is to elect moderate Democrats who wink-wink-nudge-nudge "don't support" a lot of Bernie's far left ideas, and then slowly enact legislation which takes the country further and further left. There's a belief that change no longer can come from radical activism, but slowly transitioning to the left wing platform as the public grows to accept it as the new normal.

    Look at what has happened with gay/trans issues in the past 15 years. Imagine if, in 2004, Democrats were campaining to not only allow full gay marriage, but to let trans women use women's bathrooms, and to gender-transition 3-year-olds. The public would have laughed them off the stage. Instead, it was done slowly. First civil unions. Then as that acceptance grew, full gay marriage. then as that acceptance grew, more rights for trans people. Then as that acceptance grew, the demand for trans women to be able to use women's bathrooms. Then as that acceptance grew, the demand for teenagers to be able to transition. Then as that became accepted, we started seeing the "preferred pronons" thing appear, even for people who clearly identify as one gender and aren't trans in any way. Then we started seeing transgender 3-year-olds and that being defended as normal and enlightened.

    All in a span of 15 years.

    The new tactic of the left is "give us a fingertip, and we will eventually take the whole hand".

    That's why they were marching. They see gun rights being the next massive transformation in the upcoming 15 years.
    It’s a silly irrational fear. I and almost every dem I know owns guns. There is no appetite for any serious gun grabbing outside some niche sjws. Mental health checks and delays and shit is the only argument. It’s not the gay marriage or transgendered issue. That’s relatively new issue where people look at emerging science and may change their mind. There are no amount of school shootings or anything else that will make anyone give up their guns when there is simply too many out there to ever think it even possible to confiscate them, particularly from criminals. This shit is more like a car show where people get off on showing off their guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    It’s a silly irrational fear. I and almost every dem I know owns guns. There is no appetite for any serious gun grabbing outside some niche sjws. Mental health checks and delays and shit is the only argument. It’s not the gay marriage or transgendered issue. That’s relatively new issue where people look at emerging science and may change their mind. There are no amount of school shootings or anything else that will make anyone give up their guns when there is simply too many out there to ever think it even possible to confiscate them, particularly from criminals. This shit is more like a car show where people get off on showing off their guns.
    You may feel this way, but seriously, you should talk to some more non-SJW Democrats about this (especially after a school shooting), and find out their true feelings on this. You might be surprised. Maybe Democrats in Ohio are pro-gun, but on the coast, it's become very mainstream for Democrats to support full gun control. It's no longer just an extreme left position.

    BTW, Governor Northam is absolutely getting killed on Twitter over this matter. Go look. Every single tweet in response to him that I read was negative, and I went through hundreds.

    The blackface white governor bitching about "white supremacy" already isn't a good look, but he appeared especially foolish when this so-called white power event ended up being very black/gay/trans friendly. Indeed, the gun rights crowd is happy to have allies wherever they find them. Almost all of them support a trans person arming himself to fend off attackers. The left and much of the mainstream media simply has a poor understanding of what makes the right -- and by extension subground within the right -- tick.

    They love to paint any right-wing, gun-loving group as bigoted white supremacists, like they would a villain in a bad TV drama. However, life is far more complicated than that. The gun rights crowd has the view of, "We feel everyone has a right to bear arms for self defense, and it's always a good thing when someone under attack uses their guns to save their own lives." They don't see color, sexual preference, or gender identity in this context. If you want a gun to defend yourself, they support you.

    So when this rally went down, the media immediately jumped and claimed it was about white supremacy, and that it was also going to be incredibly violent because of all the guns present. They ended up looking foolish when there was zero violence and when everyone supporting the cause was treated lovingly, even among different races, sexual preferences, or gender identities.

    There has long been an attempt by the media to dehumanize right wing groups, casting them as evil, ignorant, bigoted, and desperate to hold onto the white patriarchy. When gatherings such as this prove such simplistic characterizations to be naive and ill-conceived, the left ends up looking out-of-touch and hyper-biased.

    I thought after the defeat in 2016, the media and the left would have learned to stop doing things like this, but they haven't. Instead, it's more of the same.

    Trump is winning largely because nobody is adjusting to him properly. Instead, his opponents keep doubling down on their incorrect tactics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Prior to the event, the media portrayed yesterday's Virginia gun rights rally as "a worse Charlottesville waiting to happen" and predicted that "thousands of white supremacists" would descend upon the area.

    And when the rally itself went down, they didn't hesitate to post scary-looking pictures of people walking in the street with high powered weaponry.

    But guess what?

    When it was all said and done, despite 22,000 people taking part, and despite many of them having weapons visible, there were ZERO arrests for any kind of violence.

    Compare that to an Antifa event.

    As far as the white supremacy...






    There were plenty of black people, other minorities, gay people, trans women, and everyone was treated with the utmost respect.

    Once again the media tries to whip everyone into a frenzy over "violent white supremacists inspired by Trump", and then they're humiliated by the news of the actual peaceful event.

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/20/m...-rights-rally/


    Trump has most of the mainstream media under constant derangement syndrome.
    Didn't read any of your post but holy fuck looks like Juan Sepulvada has been busy

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    Quote Originally Posted by nunbeater View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Prior to the event, the media portrayed yesterday's Virginia gun rights rally as "a worse Charlottesville waiting to happen" and predicted that "thousands of white supremacists" would descend upon the area.

    And when the rally itself went down, they didn't hesitate to post scary-looking pictures of people walking in the street with high powered weaponry.

    But guess what?

    When it was all said and done, despite 22,000 people taking part, and despite many of them having weapons visible, there were ZERO arrests for any kind of violence.

    Compare that to an Antifa event.

    As far as the white supremacy...






    There were plenty of black people, other minorities, gay people, trans women, and everyone was treated with the utmost respect.

    Once again the media tries to whip everyone into a frenzy over "violent white supremacists inspired by Trump", and then they're humiliated by the news of the actual peaceful event.

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/01/20/m...-rights-rally/


    Trump has most of the mainstream media under constant derangement syndrome.
    Didn't read any of your post but holy fuck looks like Juan Sepulvada has been busy

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    Ship Nunbeater PFA mod privileges stat!

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    This Guy explains it perfectly! Republican or Democrat with any common sense will agree.
    Let's stop the madness the Left wingers with trump derangement syndrome from continuing to take away our Gun Rights away.


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    Fuck you. Idiots come in all shades. This guy should have prepared better
    because he failed. The worst thing you can do is let Joe Public decide what
    weapons are available.

    The war on drugs fuels, fosters, crime and
    violence. You're not out to hurt anyone but you're deemed dangerous to
    society if you want to get high.

    So the now "criminal user" needs a connection and people
    just line up to help out. Oh, they are called dealers/traffickers.

    Turns out that's a profitable venture. High risk, high reward, high potential
    to be taken down by force whether by the law or your gun toting gang/neighbor

    This is bad enough but add in some mentally deranged fucks in who want
    take a classroom out with them as they go and you've got trouble

    Who's more dangerous than someone with nothing to lose and access
    to weaponry that empowers them?
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