Time to get on the TRUMP train

[devidee]

I didn't vote for Trump the first time but with the shithole countries line, he has my vote in 2020.

[cmoney]

new sanctions against Iran apparently coming . Soooo fucking stupid

[hongkonger]

new sanctions against Iran apparently coming . Soooo fucking stupid

Yup. Way to squash what little progress there's been toward modernization.

And cue Iran's first nuclear test in 3, 2, 1...

[devidee]

[sonatine]

new sanctions against Iran apparently coming . Soooo fucking stupid

and he just supported pulling nato troops out of the territories russia wants to reclaim by military force.



probably just a misunderstanding.

[sonatine]

U.S. President Donald Trump said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal on Thursday that messages exchanged between employees at the Federal Bureau of Investigation who were working on a special counsel investigation into whether Russia had meddled in the 2016 election amounted to treason.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1F02Z7


thats awesome tho that his third catastrophic embarrassment came a full 5 hours after the 2nd, he's really pacing himself.

[devidee]

Huma Abedin about to get exposed for money laundering.

[sonatine]

daily news cover tomorrow:

[blake]

trump is a complete buffoon and his wording is literally that of a retarded person, but in fairness i think a means-based immigration system where we primarily let in wealthy people doesn't sound like a horrible idea.

obv i'm not an economist and don't really know the impact of letting in primarily poor people, but it's hard for me to believe that's a net positive on the poor/unemployed people in this country already

[sonatine]

trump is a complete buffoon and his wording is literally that of a retarded person, but in fairness i think a means-based immigration system where we primarily let in wealthy people doesn't sound like a horrible idea.

obv i'm not an economist and don't really know the impact of letting in primarily poor people, but it's hard for me to believe that's a net positive on the poor/unemployed people in this country already

trump just isnt sophisticated enough to pitch (much less imagine) a functional immigration system, that basically emulates the standards and compassion of every other first world nation's immigration system.

the fact that a good portion of the refugees knocking on our doors come from dying nations that we essentially drove the dagger into makes it a particularly sensitive and nuanced issue.

[big dick]

I think that's what Australia does

[blake]

trump is a complete buffoon and his wording is literally that of a retarded person, but in fairness i think a means-based immigration system where we primarily let in wealthy people doesn't sound like a horrible idea.

obv i'm not an economist and don't really know the impact of letting in primarily poor people, but it's hard for me to believe that's a net positive on the poor/unemployed people in this country already

trump just isnt sophisticated enough to pitch (much less imagine) a functional immigration system, that basically emulates the standards and compassion of every other first world nation's immigration system.

the fact that a good portion of the refugees knocking on our doors come from dying nations that we essentially drove the dagger into makes it a particularly sensitive and nuanced issue.

no doubt the refugee aspect is a tough one and i'm really not suggesting we close our doors to them.

i'm just saying we need to have a frank, grown-up discussion as to whether it's fundamentally evil or racist to place a higher emphasis on wealth when considering who we let into the country. i suspect the 1% loves the poor people coming into this country for the cheap labor, but i'm also *guessing* (admittedly, no data to back this up) that it may be a net negative for poor people already here competing for the same jobs.

[sonatine]

trump just isnt sophisticated enough to pitch (much less imagine) a functional immigration system, that basically emulates the standards and compassion of every other first world nation's immigration system.

the fact that a good portion of the refugees knocking on our doors come from dying nations that we essentially drove the dagger into makes it a particularly sensitive and nuanced issue.

no doubt the refugee aspect is a tough one and i'm really not suggesting we close our doors to them.

i'm just saying we need to have a frank, grown-up discussion as to whether it's fundamentally evil or racist to place a higher emphasis on wealth when considering who we let into the country. i suspect the 1% loves the poor people coming into this country for the cheap labor, but i'm also *guessing* (admittedly, no data to back this up) that it may be a net negative for poor people already here competing for the same jobs.

yeah but literally try to find a group of poor people trying to come in that trump hasnt either personally demonized or allowed others to demonize for him.


you know, aside from russians.

[sonatine]

[ErickAA]

trump is a complete buffoon and his wording is literally that of a retarded person, but in fairness i think a means-based immigration system where we primarily let in wealthy people doesn't sound like a horrible idea.

obv i'm not an economist and don't really know the impact of letting in primarily poor people, but it's hard for me to believe that's a net positive on the poor/unemployed people in this country already

trump just isnt sophisticated enough to pitch (much less imagine) a functional immigration system, that basically emulates the standards and compassion of every other first world nation's immigration system.

the fact that a good portion of the refugees knocking on our doors come from dying nations that we essentially drove the dagger into makes it a particularly sensitive and nuanced issue.

Wait,

Isn't it your dream to move to a country (New Zealand) that does exactly what you are so against. Only lets in people that can prove they bring something useful to the table?

Also, lets be honest. It is only the developed Western countries (Europe, US, Canada) where there is all this pressure to ship in black and brown poors from other countries. The wealthy countries in the Middle East only let in poors to basically be indentured servants and then kick them out again (if they survive). And the wealthy East Asian countries (ie Japan, S Korea) don't let in black and brown poors at all, and couldn't give a flying fuck about standards and compassion.

I mean, you can make the argument that much of Africa and the Middle East is so fucked up because of US and European imperialism, so it is our obligation to bring in refugees. That is fine.

But lets not pretend that it is some moral obligation of all developed nations, because clearly it is not.

[Mintjewlips]

STRATEGIC PATIENCE YOU NERDS


#MAGA

#WHENTHEHAMMERDROPSDONTBEMAD

#QANON=LOLLARP

[sonatine]

trump just isnt sophisticated enough to pitch (much less imagine) a functional immigration system, that basically emulates the standards and compassion of every other first world nation's immigration system.

the fact that a good portion of the refugees knocking on our doors come from dying nations that we essentially drove the dagger into makes it a particularly sensitive and nuanced issue.

Wait,

Isn't it your dream to move to a country (New Zealand) that does exactly what you are so against. Only lets in people that can prove they bring something useful to the table?

Also, lets be honest. It is only the developed Western countries (Europe, US, Canada) where there is all this pressure to ship in black and brown poors from other countries. The wealthy countries in the Middle East only let in poors to basically be indentured servants and then kick them out again (if they survive). And the wealthy East Asian countries (ie Japan, S Korea) don't let in black and brown poors at all, and couldn't give a flying fuck about standards and compassion.

I mean, you can make the argument that much of Africa and the Middle East is so fucked up because of US and European imperialism, so it is our obligation to bring in refugees. That is fine.

But lets not pretend that it is some moral obligation of developed nations, because clearly it is not.

new zealand has a refugee visa program.


honestly its not much of one but new zealand also isnt a major contributor to global warming, nor does it destabilize huge swathes of land, sewing chaos and bloodshed for generations because the son of a 1 term president wanted to impress his dad.

[ErickAA]

trump just isnt sophisticated enough to pitch (much less imagine) a functional immigration system, that basically emulates the standards and compassion of every other first world nation's immigration system.

the fact that a good portion of the refugees knocking on our doors come from dying nations that we essentially drove the dagger into makes it a particularly sensitive and nuanced issue.

no doubt the refugee aspect is a tough one and i'm really not suggesting we close our doors to them.

i'm just saying we need to have a frank, grown-up discussion as to whether it's fundamentally evil or racist to place a higher emphasis on wealth when considering who we let into the country. i suspect the 1% loves the poor people coming into this country for the cheap labor, but i'm also *guessing* (admittedly, no data to back this up) that it may be a net negative for poor people already here competing for the same jobs.

Of course letting in unskilled labor is great for the 1% and bad for everyone else, especially current unskilled laborers. But using the MSM as their tools, the 1% is crafty enough to discuss immigration in terms of racial identity politics, so that poor minority immigrants are manipulated into supporting immigration policies designed to depress their wages and standard of living.

I remember when he was running Bernie Sanders originally made a similar argument, but he was pressured by the identity politics crowd to back track.

Agree or disagree with Trumps immigration policy reform ideas, at least I know what his ideas are more or less. I seriously have no clue what the Democrats immigration policy is. Do they even have one?

[ErickAA]

Wait,

Isn't it your dream to move to a country (New Zealand) that does exactly what you are so against. Only lets in people that can prove they bring something useful to the table?

Also, lets be honest. It is only the developed Western countries (Europe, US, Canada) where there is all this pressure to ship in black and brown poors from other countries. The wealthy countries in the Middle East only let in poors to basically be indentured servants and then kick them out again (if they survive). And the wealthy East Asian countries (ie Japan, S Korea) don't let in black and brown poors at all, and couldn't give a flying fuck about standards and compassion.

I mean, you can make the argument that much of Africa and the Middle East is so fucked up because of US and European imperialism, so it is our obligation to bring in refugees. That is fine.

But lets not pretend that it is some moral obligation of developed nations, because clearly it is not.

new zealand has a refugee visa program.


honestly its not much of one but new zealand also isnt a major contributor to global warming, nor does it destabilize huge swathes of land, sewing chaos and bloodshed for generations because the son of a 1 term president wanted to impress his dad.

Ok, so you seem to be supporting the narrative that it is our obligation as a nation to bring in refugees due to our imperialistic ventures. That is fine.

But lets not pretend that all developed nations but the US are opening in refugees with open arms, and we are the evil ones. Except for European countries, US and Canada most "wealthy" nations don't really let in refugees at all except for mostly symbolic token amounts, for the simple reason they don't think it is in their best interests to do so.

[sonatine]

I feel like youre really investing a lot of energy into backing me into some corner and painting me as an absolutist, which is regrettable since I've spent several posts with blake discussing all the ways our immigration policy cannot be dictated by someone who considered the homes of immigrants "shitholes", but absolutely needs to be sanity checked, just like countries with functional governments.

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Once that represented a cornerstone of the morality of this nation. Now the first lady is an mail-order bride who despises other immigrants.

How laughable, how gauche.