So much for "Follow the Science" - Biden will release nearly all available vaccine doses

[gimmick]

They haven't concluded tests on how well these vaccines prevent transmission. Some signs saying they do, but nothing concrete on how much.

The reason they didn't test it before is because that would have meant that the vaccine rollout would have been delayed to have no effect on the current flu season.

Regarding the OP and thread title. Biden couldn't release nearly all available vaccine doses because the Trump administration had all ready done that. Like i said before.

Now just the possibility of Biden committing such a heinous act was enough for this thread. Where as the reality of Trump having all ready done that gave us crickets. Not a single mention. No poor grandma sob story. Zilch. Nada. Muh science.

[Salty_Aus]

They haven't concluded tests on how well these vaccines prevent transmission. Some signs saying they do, but nothing concrete on how much.

The reason they didn't test it before is because that would have meant that the vaccine rollout would have been delayed to have no effect on the current flu season.


Regarding the OP and thread title. Biden couldn't release nearly all available vaccine doses because the Trump administration had all ready done that. Like i said before.

Now just the possibility of Biden committing such a heinous act was enough for this thread. Where as the reality of Trump having all ready done that gave us crickets. Not a single mention. No poor grandma sob story. Zilch. Nada. Muh science.

The trial results are kinda confusing. I took them to mean a 95% efficacy in protecting you from catching covid.
I've not spent hours scrutinising the data but the way they reported that only x amount of people caught the disease in the control groups could very well be wrong.

I'm starting to think that only 5% showed symptoms and were reported, and a large percentage could have been missed as asymptomatic and showed no symptoms.

If this is true, druffs insistence that old folks who are most likely to die from this virus get the vaccine first makes perfect sense.

Yeah this post is silly, blaming Biden is absurd.

Hopefully there will be much better vaccines very soon.

[gimmick]

They haven't concluded tests on how well these vaccines prevent transmission. Some signs saying they do, but nothing concrete on how much.

The reason they didn't test it before is because that would have meant that the vaccine rollout would have been delayed to have no effect on the current flu season.


Regarding the OP and thread title. Biden couldn't release nearly all available vaccine doses because the Trump administration had all ready done that. Like i said before.

Now just the possibility of Biden committing such a heinous act was enough for this thread. Where as the reality of Trump having all ready done that gave us crickets. Not a single mention. No poor grandma sob story. Zilch. Nada. Muh science.

The trial results are kinda confusing. I took them to mean a 95% efficacy in protecting you from catching covid.
I've not spent hours scrutinising the data but the way they reported that only x amount of people caught the disease in the control groups could very well be wrong.

I'm starting to think that only 5% showed symptoms and were reported, and a large percentage could have been missed as asymptomatic and showed no symptoms.

If this is true, druffs insistence that old folks who are most likely to die from this virus get the vaccine first makes perfect sense.

Yeah this post is silly, blaming Biden is absurd.

Hopefully there will be much better vaccines very soon.

They tested just symptoms. Weaker efficacy for some groups (like elderly) and ability to block transmission is still partially unknown.

I think Moderna was 86.4%, Pfizer 94% and AstraZenaca is mostly unknown for 65+ group from initial tests. There's also possibility of longer onset time and no one really knows how long they are effective for the elderly. Though most studies have been positive so far.

The vaccine is likely to mirror natural antibody response from recovered individuals and likely to share some aspects of antibodies to previous corona viruses like SARS. Meaning the immunity lasts anything from year to decades.

[Dan Druff]

They haven't concluded tests on how well these vaccines prevent transmission. Some signs saying they do, but nothing concrete on how much.

The reason they didn't test it before is because that would have meant that the vaccine rollout would have been delayed to have no effect on the current flu season.

Regarding the OP and thread title. Biden couldn't release nearly all available vaccine doses because the Trump administration had all ready done that. Like i said before.

Now just the possibility of Biden committing such a heinous act was enough for this thread. Where as the reality of Trump having all ready done that gave us crickets. Not a single mention. No poor grandma sob story. Zilch. Nada. Muh science.

Both screwed up.

The Trump Administration released it all for unknown reasons, which was a mistake.

Biden intended to make the same mistake, but couldn't because Trump had already made it.

So both were stupid.

[Dan Druff]

I am very interested in the findings of whether the vaccine just prevents symptoms, or if it also prevents transmission.

My parents got it, and obviously are increasing their "risk" as a result once the appropriate time passes. Given that we're in a COVID hotspot area, it really scares me as far as seeing them post-vaccine until I get it myself. It would be great to find out that the vaccine actually prevents transmission, as well.

If I had to guess, it's more likely to prevent transmission than just being a symptom blocker. I believe it's already been shown that asymptomatic people don't transmit the virus much, but pre-symptomatic people (ones with no symptoms yet, but destined to show symptoms very soon) transmit it the most of anyone.

So if the vaccine basically turns you into an asymptomatic person, that might carry over to mean you'll transmit like one, too, which means not very much.

Note that the common cold is similar. While there's no studies of asymptomatic common colds (I'm not even sure how that could be determined, or if such a thing exists), the general contagiousness guideline is that you're contagious both before you show symptoms and while major symptoms are present and either on the rise or stable. Also note that some common colds are coronaviruses. So something similar might apply here.

[gimmick]

I am very interested in the findings of whether the vaccine just prevents symptoms, or if it also prevents transmission.

My parents got it, and obviously are increasing their "risk" as a result once the appropriate time passes. Given that we're in a COVID hotspot area, it really scares me as far as seeing them post-vaccine until I get it myself. It would be great to find out that the vaccine actually prevents transmission, as well.

If I had to guess, it's more likely to prevent transmission than just being a symptom blocker. I believe it's already been shown that asymptomatic people don't transmit the virus much, but pre-symptomatic people (ones with no symptoms yet, but destined to show symptoms very soon) transmit it the most of anyone.

So if the vaccine basically turns you into an asymptomatic person, that might carry over to mean you'll transmit like one, too, which means not very much.

Note that the common cold is similar. While there's no studies of asymptomatic common colds (I'm not even sure how that could be determined, or if such a thing exists), the general contagiousness guideline is that you're contagious both before you show symptoms and while major symptoms are present and either on the rise or stable. Also note that some common colds are coronaviruses. So something similar might apply here.

Yea i covered this a bit in my response to Salty. Even though how mRNA vaccines create antibodies differs from traditional vaccines it should have the same effects after you get the desired response.

The saving doses thing is a supply chain problem. Say you can prepare for a delay of one, two or three weeks in additional doses. I don't know if any country is prepared for a 3 week delay and with expectation of ramped up production with additional vaccines being approved it's likely too timid. Where as just assuming there won't be any delay at any point sounds a bit reckless.

[JimmyG_415]

"Gee, So much for science" -The propaganda fed sheep, that started this thread.

yeah lets go back to the Trump national plan of the Fed's being the State's back up.
CDC announces schools reopening plan tomorrow, or should we go back to the Trump/DeVos plan of
'instead of us advising you on how to open, each and every school figure it out on your own, and if you can't we will blame you.'

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[nightmarefish]

"Gee, So much for science" -The propaganda fed sheep, that started this thread.

yeah lets go back to the Trump national plan of the Fed's being the State's back up.
CDC announces schools reopening plan tomorrow, or should we go back to the Trump/DeVos plan of
'instead of us advising you on how to open, each and every school figure it out on your own, and if you can't we will blame you.'

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I wonder how they come up with 300 Million. Kids won't be vaccinated by then along with 10s of millions of adults that will refuse to take it.

[Dan Druff]

They were already vaccinating 1 million a day when Trump left office, so 300 million by July isn't a staggering increase from that. Yes, you'd expect production and distribution to ramp up faster over time.

Non-story which the media is using to make it look like "science" Biden is taking control. In the meantime we're the only country using "racial equity" in determining who gets the vaccine.

Embarrassing.

[splitthis]

Get ready for more socialism as efforts ramp up to stuff vaccine in those that don’t need it.

[JimmyG_415]

Gee, so much for following the science, (still the stupidest thread title in the history of PFA)

70 % approve of Biden's handling of Covid, you couldn't get that on any poll these days.
That means at least 10% of the Trump base is admitting Trump was a POS when it came to covid.

#GQP keeps crying socialism, but how much more socialist can you get than a guy paying $1500 in taxes in 20 yrs getting a 1m steroid shot?
,,, that saved him from going on a ventilator, then says 'if I can get over it, you can too'. What a POS.
Then the ex-POTUS and Mrs. POS cant even admit they got the vaccine? because he wants to appear strong.
When really he is a weak POS, that lost the election badly, in a landslide, while his party gained in the house.
(Notice how he only shits on science when it pays $$$? not when it comes to his health?)

Poll says 70% of Americans support President Biden’s coronavirus pandemic response
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/03/...emic-response/

Overall, 70 percent of Americans back the Democratic president’s handling of the virus response, including 44 percent of Republicans, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.


Trump Was Sicker Than Acknowledged With Covid-19
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/u...ronavirus.html
Trump received COVID vaccine at White House in January
https://www.axios.com/trump-vaccinat...9f23f25f9.html

[dwai]

Gee, so much for following the science, (still the stupidest thread title in the history of PFA)

70 % approve of Biden's handling of Covid, you couldn't get that on any poll these days.
That means at least 10% of the Trump base is admitting Trump was a POS when it came to covid.

#GQP keeps crying socialism, but how much more socialist can you get than a guy paying $1500 in taxes in 20 yrs getting a 1m steroid shot?
,,, that saved him from going on a ventilator, then says 'if I can get over it, you can too'. What a POS.
Then the ex-POTUS and Mrs. POS cant even admit they got the vaccine? because he wants to appear strong.
When really he is a weak POS, that lost the election badly, in a landslide, while his party gained in the house.
(Notice how he only shits on science when it pays $$$? not when it comes to his health?)

Poll says 70% of Americans support President Biden’s coronavirus pandemic response
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/03/...emic-response/

Overall, 70 percent of Americans back the Democratic president’s handling of the virus response, including 44 percent of Republicans, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.


Trump Was Sicker Than Acknowledged With Covid-19
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/u...ronavirus.html
Trump received COVID vaccine at White House in January
https://www.axios.com/trump-vaccinat...9f23f25f9.html

[nightmarefish]

Gee, so much for following the science, (still the stupidest thread title in the history of PFA)

70 % approve of Biden's handling of Covid, you couldn't get that on any poll these days.
That means at least 10% of the Trump base is admitting Trump was a POS when it came to covid.

#GQP keeps crying socialism, but how much more socialist can you get than a guy paying $1500 in taxes in 20 yrs getting a 1m steroid shot?
,,, that saved him from going on a ventilator, then says 'if I can get over it, you can too'. What a POS.
Then the ex-POTUS and Mrs. POS cant even admit they got the vaccine? because he wants to appear strong.
When really he is a weak POS, that lost the election badly, in a landslide, while his party gained in the house.
(Notice how he only shits on science when it pays $$$? not when it comes to his health?)

Poll says 70% of Americans support President Biden’s coronavirus pandemic response
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/03/...emic-response/

Overall, 70 percent of Americans back the Democratic president’s handling of the virus response, including 44 percent of Republicans, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.


Trump Was Sicker Than Acknowledged With Covid-19
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/u...ronavirus.html
Trump received COVID vaccine at White House in January
https://www.axios.com/trump-vaccinat...9f23f25f9.html

What has Biden done differently to handle Covid?

[Dan Druff]

Biden has done nothing except sit around like an old lump, and mutter "Wear a mask!"

Everything that's happening in 2021 was already set in motion during Trump's term.

That's not to say Trump did everything right. He made a number of mistakes, ranging from messaging (terrible) to poor direction of the vaccine distribution (which was pretty bad). Even his own CDC was acting stupid (and was dominated by leftists), yet he did nothing to stop it.

Trump's Operation Warp Speed was a success though, and that was partially responsible for the speedy vaccine development. Remember when Trump said we'd have a vaccine ready before the end of 2020, and the liberal media mocked him for it? Ummmm....

Oh, and Biden's messaging has been arguably just as bad as Trump's. While other first world countries are successfully encouraging people to take the vaccine by promising them a return to normalcy, Biden is predicting another year of lockdowns and masking. Oy vey. That's the surefire way to encourage people to skip the vaccine.

[splitthis]

So the old lady at the gym retuned very ill. She has constant diarrhea they can’t find the cause of. Funny how she was completely healthy before getting that vaccine. Watch for lots of bad reactions to be blamed on other things.

[dwai]

So the old lady at the gym retuned very ill. She has constant diarrhea they can’t find the cause of. Funny how she was completely healthy before getting that vaccine. Watch for lots of bad reactions to be blamed on other things.

Druff can't wait for the vaccine!

[JimmyG_415]

LOl, Trump didn't do one thing right.

Trump had no plan to distribute the vaccine and he ordered way to little, (then lied, but ordered plenty of hydroxychloroquine.)

Druff hasn't landed a blow w/out lying, parsing words or conflating things in 5 years
If you want to go back (and I do mean backwards) to a leader suggesting taking Lysol & hydroxychloroquine, go ahead.
Look at Brazil, that is where we'd be if Trump won again, which he didn't. He lost badly, in a landslide.

go back to Fox and cry over Dr. Seuss books.

This guy reminds me of druff, in the way he whines & lies at the same time.
Yeah Trump had days where his schedule said 'many meetings & important phones calls'
Then watched fox news all day which he called "executive time".

This stuff worked on Obama cuz it was new,
no one on the left cares what Fox says anymore.
Cuz, they don't hold the right to the same standard.

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Biden has done nothing except sit around like an old lump, and mutter "Wear a mask!"

Everything that's happening in 2021 was already set in motion during Trump's term.

That's not to say Trump did everything right. He made a number of mistakes, ranging from messaging (terrible) to poor direction of the vaccine distribution (which was pretty bad). Even his own CDC was acting stupid (and was dominated by leftists), yet he did nothing to stop it.

Trump's Operation Warp Speed was a success though, and that was partially responsible for the speedy vaccine development. Remember when Trump said we'd have a vaccine ready before the end of 2020, and the liberal media mocked him for it? Ummmm....

Oh, and Biden's messaging has been arguably just as bad as Trump's. While other first world countries are successfully encouraging people to take the vaccine by promising them a return to normalcy, Biden is predicting another year of lockdowns and masking. Oy vey. That's the surefire way to encourage people to skip the vaccine.

[gut]

So the old lady at the gym retuned very ill. She has constant diarrhea they can’t find the cause of. Funny how she was completely healthy before getting that vaccine. Watch for lots of bad reactions to be blamed on other things.

I'm guessing no one is rushing to use the stationary bike after she gets done.

[splitthis]

I spoke with one of my good friends today and her daughter is having the same gi issues following the vaccine. She would have survived covid without it, in fact the old lady would have too and now she is fighting some unknown effect of an under tested, unproven safe, approved for EMERGENCY use only which no matter what happens to you in the short or long run, you have no recourse to gain damages because the drug companies have been spared any litigation.

I don’t do know how dumb you are to blindly stick this shit in your body unless the risk reward is HUGE!

[limitles]

I spoke with one of my good friends today and her daughter is having the same gi issues following the vaccine. She would have survived covid without it, in fact the old lady would have too and now she is fighting some unknown effect of an under tested, unproven safe, approved for EMERGENCY use only which no matter what happens to you in the short or long run, you have no recourse to gain damages because the drug companies have been spared any litigation.

I don’t do know how dumb you are to blindly stick this shit in your body unless the risk reward is HUGE!

Let us know when they die. Otherwise........