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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty_Aus View Post
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    'collusion' isn't a word Mueller used since it has no legal definition, but yeah, there was. There just wasn't enough evidence for a federal indictment. And no, Druff didn't read the report.

    Kilimnik = Russian intelligence officer
    Manafort = Trump campaign chairman

    Kilimnik flew back to Kiev from Moscow, and on that
    same day, wrote to Manafort that he needed “about 2 hours” for their meeting “because it is a long
    caviar story to tell.”918 Kilimnik wrote that he would arrive at JFK on August 2 at 7:30 p.m., and
    he and Manafort agreed to a late dinner that night.919 Documentary evidence—including flight,
    phone, and hotel records, and the timing of text messages exchanged920—confirms the dinner took
    place as planned on August 2.
    Manafort and Kilimnik discussed a plan to resolve the ongoing political problems in Ukraine
    That plan, Manafort later acknowledged, constituted a “backdoor” means for Russia to control eastern Ukraine
    Manafort briefed Kilimnik on the state of the Trump Campaign and Manafort’s
    plan to win the election.930 That briefing encompassed the Campaign’s messaging and its internal
    polling data. According to Gates, it also included discussion of “battleground” states, [redacted] which
    refer explicitly to “battleground” states in his telling of the August 2 discussion,
    Manafort identified as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota.
    Trump (same week his campaign chair met with Russian Intelligence Officer):
    "But you know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were."


    The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion.
    the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome
    Everything quoted is from the report.
    And of course Manafort has links to Dmytro Firtash.

    All the usual suspects... just a coincidence I'm sure. ��
    Repeating over and over "I won the election, by a lot", "Voter Fraud", "Rigged election!" is the exact same play as when he kept repeating "No Collusion", "Russia Hoax", "Witch Hunt!" It only worked with the Russia investigation because it was more complicated and stretched out over years instead of days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
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    'collusion' isn't a word Mueller used since it has no legal definition, but yeah, there was. There just wasn't enough evidence for a federal indictment. And no, Druff didn't read the report.

    Kilimnik = Russian intelligence officer
    Manafort = Trump campaign chairman



    Manafort and Kilimnik discussed a plan to resolve the ongoing political problems in Ukraine
    That plan, Manafort later acknowledged, constituted a “backdoor” means for Russia to control eastern Ukraine
    Manafort briefed Kilimnik on the state of the Trump Campaign and Manafort’s
    plan to win the election.930 That briefing encompassed the Campaign’s messaging and its internal
    polling data. According to Gates, it also included discussion of “battleground” states, [redacted] which
    refer explicitly to “battleground” states in his telling of the August 2 discussion,
    Manafort identified as Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota.
    Trump (same week his campaign chair met with Russian Intelligence Officer):
    "But you know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were."


    The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion.
    the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome
    Everything quoted is from the report.
    And of course Manafort has links to Dmytro Firtash.

    All the usual suspects... just a coincidence I'm sure. ��
    Repeating over and over "I won the election, by a lot", "Voter Fraud", "Rigged election!" is the exact same play as when he kept repeating "No Collusion", "Russia Hoax", "Witch Hunt!" It only worked with the Russia investigation because it was more complicated and stretched out over years instead of days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rum dick View Post
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    Dossier written by russians for hillary. collusion.
    Buddy, we're talking about the Mueller Report not the Steele Dossier. Try to keep up or better yet keep quiet while the adults are talking.
    Dumb Prick, the only collusion was between Hillary and the Russians vis a vie, the Dossier. Try to use that 40 pound lump on the top of your neck for something besides a hat rack.

    The Mueller Report? Hahahahahahahaha!!!!! Dream on, dimwit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rum dick View Post

    Buddy, we're talking about the Mueller Report not the Steele Dossier. Try to keep up or better yet keep quiet while the adults are talking.
    Dumb Prick, the only collusion was between Hillary and the Russians vis a vie, the Dossier. Try to use that 40 pound lump on the top of your neck for something besides a hat rack.

    The Mueller Report? Hahahahahahahaha!!!!! Dream on, dimwit.
    Putin hated Hillary. Many claim this was the main reason the Russians interfered.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
    Repeating over and over "I won the election, by a lot", "Voter Fraud", "Rigged election!" is the exact same play as when he kept repeating "No Collusion", "Russia Hoax", "Witch Hunt!" It only worked with the Russia investigation because it was more complicated and stretched out over years instead of days.
    Trump claims every single Republican vote.

    If you voted for Biden but voted for a Republican Representative in Congress and/or you voted for a Republican U.S Senator then the entire ballot is fraudulent and must be thrown out.

    Actually, Trump knows that he has no case.
    He is just using these claims of voter fraud to appeal to his base of MAGA fans. I doubt that Trump will ever run for political office again and he has ruined it for any businessman who tries to run for President in the future.

    Trump will return to fake reality T.V.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty_Aus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Dumb Prick, the only collusion was between Hillary and the Russians vis a vie, the Dossier. Try to use that 40 pound lump on the top of your neck for something besides a hat rack.

    The Mueller Report? Hahahahahahahaha!!!!! Dream on, dimwit.
    Putin hated Hillary. Many claim this was the main reason the Russians interfered.
    why don't you worry about your own faggot country and leave us be, god it? fucking fag

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty_Aus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    Dumb Prick, the only collusion was between Hillary and the Russians vis a vie, the Dossier. Try to use that 40 pound lump on the top of your neck for something besides a hat rack.

    The Mueller Report? Hahahahahahahaha!!!!! Dream on, dimwit.
    Putin hated Hillary. Many claim this was the main reason the Russians interfered.
    The russians thought, like everyone else, that Trump had no chance to win. The objective of the russians was/is to sew discord in american politics. They want us at each others throats. It distracts from us keeping an eye on them. They put out just as much anti-Trump material as they put out anti-Hillary material. When Trump surprisingly won they went into anti-Trump mode hot and heavy.

    The dossier was put together by RUSSIANS. Deny it all you want because you can't deal with reality. Repeat. The dossier was put together by RUSSIANS. I'll say again. THE DOSSIER WAS PUT TOGETHER BY RUSSIANS. Get your stupid heads out of the sand, libtards.

    Repeat. The objective of Russia is to to sew discord among the American people. Trump Derangement Syndrome plays right into their hands. They love it. In that respect you lefties are russian dupes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Salty_Aus View Post

    Putin hated Hillary. Many claim this was the main reason the Russians interfered.
    The russians thought, like everyone else, that Trump had no chance to win. The objective of the russians was/is to sew discord in american politics. They want us at each others throats. It distracts from us keeping an eye on them. They put out just as much anti-Trump material as they put out anti-Hillary material. When Trump surprisingly won they went into anti-Trump mode hot and heavy.

    The dossier was put together by RUSSIANS. Deny it all you want because you can't deal with reality. Repeat. The dossier was put together by RUSSIANS. I'll say again. THE DOSSIER WAS PUT TOGETHER BY RUSSIANS. Get your stupid heads out of the sand, libtards.

    Repeat. The objective of Russia is to to sew discord among the American people. Trump Derangement Syndrome plays right into their hands. They love it. In that respect you lefties are russian dupes.
    especially, salty_aus, the Australian faggot obsessed with America, and everything we stand for.

    Sad!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    They put out just as much anti-Trump material as they put out anti-Hillary material.
    I've seen this repeated many time. It's false.

    Since you don't like Mueller, here's what the Republican chaired Senate Intelligence Committee found:

    The Committee found, that the IRA sought to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential
    election by harming Hillary Clinton's chances of success and supporting Donald Trump
    at the direction of the Kremlin.
    the Committee found that IRA social media activity
    was overtly and almost invariably supportive of then-candidate Trump, and to the
    detriment .of Secretary Clinton's campaign.
    - RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE:

    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    When Trump surprisingly won they went into anti-Trump mode hot and heavy.
    They've been actively working to discredit Biden, although with much less success than 2016 (likely thanks to the valuable information uncovered by the Mueller investigation). If you really think they are anti-Trump, go check out RT.com (Russian state run media) and, after noting the Hunter Biden stories on the front page do a search for "Trump" and then "Biden".

    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    The dossier was put together by RUSSIANS. Deny it all you want because you can't deal with reality. Repeat. The dossier was put together by RUSSIANS. I'll say again. THE DOSSIER WAS PUT TOGETHER BY RUSSIANS. Get your stupid heads out of the sand, libtards.

    Repeat. The objective of Russia is to to sew discord among the American people. Trump Derangement Syndrome plays right into their hands. They love it. In that respect you lefties are russian dupes.
    I assume you think the Steele dossier was what started the whole thing. That's also false. According to Trumps IG, and the Republican Senate Intel Committee, George Papadopoulos telling an Australian diplomat that Russia had dirt on Hillary and they were going to use it to help Trump in the election is what started it.

    Another fun fact, the Steele dossier was initially funded (through Fusion GPS) by a Republican to dig up dirt on Trump during the primaries. We don't know for sure who it was, but the Clinton campaign took over funding it shortly after Marco Rubio dropped out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
    I've seen this repeated many time. It's false.

    Since you don't like Mueller, here's what the Republican chaired Senate Intelligence Committee found:

    The Committee found, that the IRA sought to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential
    election by harming Hillary Clinton's chances of success and supporting Donald Trump
    at the direction of the Kremlin.
    the Committee found that IRA social media activity
    was overtly and almost invariably supportive of then-candidate Trump, and to the
    detriment .of Secretary Clinton's campaign.
    - RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE:

    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    When Trump surprisingly won they went into anti-Trump mode hot and heavy.
    They've been actively working to discredit Biden, although with much less success than 2016 (likely thanks to the valuable information uncovered by the Mueller investigation). If you really think they are anti-Trump, go check out RT.com (Russian state run media) and, after noting the Hunter Biden stories on the front page do a search for "Trump" and then "Biden".

    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    The dossier was put together by RUSSIANS. Deny it all you want because you can't deal with reality. Repeat. The dossier was put together by RUSSIANS. I'll say again. THE DOSSIER WAS PUT TOGETHER BY RUSSIANS. Get your stupid heads out of the sand, libtards.

    Repeat. The objective of Russia is to to sew discord among the American people. Trump Derangement Syndrome plays right into their hands. They love it. In that respect you lefties are russian dupes.
    I assume you think the Steele dossier was what started the whole thing. That's also false. According to Trumps IG, and the Republican Senate Intel Committee, George Papadopoulos telling an Australian diplomat that Russia had dirt on Hillary and they were going to use it to help Trump in the election is what started it.

    Another fun fact, the Steele dossier was initially funded (through Fusion GPS) by a Republican to dig up dirt on Trump during the primaries. We don't know for sure who it was, but the Clinton campaign took over funding it shortly after Marco Rubio dropped out.


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    The "dirt" on Hillary was dropped on Papadopoulos by an FBI operative to set him up with the Australian diplomat who was also an FBI operative. Papadopoulos was nothing but a set-up by corrupt democrat operatives.

    The russians duped Hillary out of 25% of American uranium. She also made it godawful easy for the russians to hack her server. She was pure russian dupe. And you think they wanted to trade her in for Trump? Hahahahahahaha!!!!!

    Meanwhile, you lefty idiots are stuck on Russia when the real enemy of America is China. Of which, your hero, China Joe Biden, is an asset.
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    Let's forget about this 2016 Russia nonsense and get into the present.

    Good thing we can all trust the Democrats to run fair elections, right?


    https://twitter.com/politico/status/1337818701727485954

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    Quote Originally Posted by duped_samaritan View Post
    I've seen this repeated many time. It's false.

    Since you don't like Mueller, here's what the Republican chaired Senate Intelligence Committee found:

    The Committee found, that the IRA sought to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential
    election by harming Hillary Clinton's chances of success and supporting Donald Trump
    at the direction of the Kremlin.
    the Committee found that IRA social media activity
    was overtly and almost invariably supportive of then-candidate Trump, and to the
    detriment .of Secretary Clinton's campaign.
    - RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE:

    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    When Trump surprisingly won they went into anti-Trump mode hot and heavy.
    They've been actively working to discredit Biden, although with much less success than 2016 (likely thanks to the valuable information uncovered by the Mueller investigation). If you really think they are anti-Trump, go check out RT.com (Russian state run media) and, after noting the Hunter Biden stories on the front page do a search for "Trump" and then "Biden".

    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    The dossier was put together by RUSSIANS. Deny it all you want because you can't deal with reality. Repeat. The dossier was put together by RUSSIANS. I'll say again. THE DOSSIER WAS PUT TOGETHER BY RUSSIANS. Get your stupid heads out of the sand, libtards.

    Repeat. The objective of Russia is to to sew discord among the American people. Trump Derangement Syndrome plays right into their hands. They love it. In that respect you lefties are russian dupes.
    I assume you think the Steele dossier was what started the whole thing. That's also false. According to Trumps IG, and the Republican Senate Intel Committee, George Papadopoulos telling an Australian diplomat that Russia had dirt on Hillary and they were going to use it to help Trump in the election is what started it.

    Another fun fact, the Steele dossier was initially funded (through Fusion GPS) by a Republican to dig up dirt on Trump during the primaries. We don't know for sure who it was, but the Clinton campaign took over funding it shortly after Marco Rubio dropped out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    The "dirt" on Hillary was dropped on Papadopoulos by an FBI operative to set him up with the Australian diplomat who was also an FBI operative. Papadopoulos was nothing but a set-up by corrupt democrat operatives.
    I can't prove your conspiracy theory isn't true (that's what makes a conspiracy theory stick), but even if it were true, we now know that Russia still had the dirt (hacked DNC emails) - and they released it minutes after Trumps 'grab her by the pussy' tapes were released. So really, who cares?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Good thing we can all trust the Democrats to run fair elections, right?
    Good thing political parties don't run elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Besides, when Trump fails miserably in his attempt to change the results of this election, it's unlikely to spawn a lot of imitators. The imitation will start occurring when someone succeeds, or at least gets close. The system is designed to prevent that.
    *sigh*

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...ion-gop-444682

    GOP candidates for House, legislative and gubernatorial races in more than half a dozen states are claiming voter fraud and still refusing to acknowledge defeat.

    In California, a Republican congressional candidate trounced in Democratic-heavy Los Angeles is still refusing to concede — while simultaneously announcing he’s running for governor. In Maryland, a congressional candidate beaten by more than 40 percentage points is still complaining about “irregularities” in her election. And in Tennessee, a House candidate defeated by more than 57 percentage points has reached out to the ubiquitous pro-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell to air her grievances about an election that no Republican had any chance of winning — but that she’s convinced she did.

    In Massachusetts, Republican John Paul Moran is using unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud to fundraise, after losing his long-shot bid to unseat Rep. Seth Moulton by more than 30 percentage points. He was one of five failed Massachusetts Republican candidates for state and federal office whose lawsuit to invalidate the election results was thrown out by a federal judge last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rum dick View Post


    I actually was a Republican then. As for why I'm not anymore, picture a world where you're a Democrat and Johnny Depp is elected President as a Democrat. And he and his weird friends and family proceed to shit all over everything and all of the other democrats, except for Bernie (he's the Mitt Romney/Ben Sasse in that reality) do everything to enable Johnny's temper tantrums and his worst impulses including and especially being grossly subservient to him.

    Now picture Johnny Depp legitimately losing re-election and then doing everything he could to ruin America's electoral system on the way out of town while also encouraging Americans to fight other Americans because he's mad about losing.

    No way you'd still be a Democrat after that, right? In fact, you'd probably be thinking wtf is your party thinking nominating Johnny Drop to be their candidate for POTUS in the first place. Sure he's rich, popular and successful but wtf does he know about the world much less the USA.

    I don't see a difference between a Donald Trump and a Johnny Depp.

    As soon as a piece of shit coddled celebrity rapist took control of the GOP, I reevaluated my worldview and realized I was wrong about a good number of things. I made changes. And the last 4 years have only served to convince me I made the right choice to abandon my old party and my dumb way of thinking.

    Tldr - when one party literally becomes Idiocracy, it's time to fucking bail on said party and never look back.
    Nice to see that you hate Johnny Depp so much, but aside from that, I'm not getting a lot from the above.

    We pretty much had the same identical conversation on NWP, circa 2007. I expressed some conservative viewpoint, you countered it with the exact opposite view, I said something about "liberals like you", and you replied that you were a Repubican.

    I remember scratching my head and wondering how a "Republican" seemed to have so many views which aligned with the left.

    Of course, back in those days, I was more concerned with whether Nado_Dave was really from Coronado or not, so I didn't put much further thought into it. But I do clearly remember having such an exchange.

    Your little Depp alternate-universe story was cute, but it didn't mean much. If your deeply held political beliefs can be uprooted because they nominate one politician you hate, then those weren't your real beliefs in the first place. This is because politics are largely a reflection of your personality and worldview. That doesn't snap-change because you're temporarily unhappy with your party.


    For example, let's say Republicans nominated Klaus Jewhater, a neo-Nazi, for President in 2024 to run against Kamala Harris.

    I would be very disappointed in my party. I wouldn't vote for Klaus Jewhater. I might even leave the party completely, and join the libertarians or something.

    However, you know what I wouldn't do? I wouldn't suddenly declare that all of my previously-held conservative views were wrong. I wouldn't suddenly be of the belief that higher taxes, identity politics, 9-month abortions, and 3-year-old trans women are all A-OK with me. I wouldn't be donating to the Minnesota Freedom Fund to bail out serial rapists.

    I would still despise Klaus Jewhater and everything he stood for, but this wouldn't change my core beliefs of right and wrong.

    If you really were Republican, don't you think it's possible that you weren't completely wrong for the first 40+ years of your life?

    Can you tell us some of your conservative beliefs prior to 2016, and why they're different now?
    This take is almost as bad as your NWP posters can't live in a good neighborhood take.


    Tell you what, name some beliefs you think conservatives support and I'll let you know if I was onboard with them pre-Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rum dick View Post

    Tell you what, name some beliefs you think conservatives support and I'll let you know if I was onboard with them pre-Trump.
    Instead of making me do a guessing game, how about you just tell us which conservative views you held prior to 2016, how you feel now, and how Trump changed those views.

    I'd prefer to see views which haven't shifted in mainstream society as a whole. For example, it's copout to say something like, "I used to be against gay marriage, now I support it", or "I used to think police brutality was an exaggerated claim, but now I feel we need major reform".

    I want to see issues which still currently divide most Americans, to where you switched your views from conservative to liberal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by rum dick View Post

    Tell you what, name some beliefs you think conservatives support and I'll let you know if I was onboard with them pre-Trump.
    Instead of making me do a guessing game, how about you just tell us which conservative views you held prior to 2016, how you feel now, and how Trump changed those views.

    I'd prefer to see views which haven't shifted in mainstream society as a whole. For example, it's copout to say something like, "I used to be against gay marriage, now I support it", or "I used to think police brutality was an exaggerated claim, but now I feel we need major reform".

    I want to see issues which still currently divide most Americans, to where you switched your views from conservative to liberal.

    I used to be ridiculously pro-life, pro-2nd amendment, thought the smaller the government the absolute better, was beyond against taxes, thought we could force democracy on other countries... I could go on...

    But you're missing the point.

    Let's try this. I was a member of a group that my family raised me in and I'd probably still be a member of that group but for the shock to the system that was an absolute pos reality star tard taking control of that group. It's like being raised in a religious group and all of the sudden a kid diddler becomes the voice of God for that religion. It'd be weird as fuck not to say hey wait a sec maybe I'm doing it wrong.

    As soon as you start reevaluating your belief system you start being open to new ideas....

     
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    The My Pillow guy says Fox News helped rig the election. I guess everyone there who was in on it kept it from Hannity, Tucker and Laura. Unless they were in on it too?

    Between that and North Korea's fake ballots delivered to Maine, it's no wonder Biden stole it so easily.

    Druff, what happened to the Cuckoo smiley?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    The My Pillow guy says Fox News helped rig the election. I guess everyone there who was in on it kept it from Hannity, Tucker and Laura. Unless they were in on it too?

    Between that and North Korea's fake ballots delivered to Maine, it's no wonder Biden stole it so easily.

    Druff, what happened to the Cuckoo smiley?
    Go read http://thedonald.win I have never seen so much insanity in one place
    Slava Ukraini!

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