**OFFICIAL Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph (Joe) R. Biden Thread - 2020 Presidential Election**

[rum dick]

You have to be a card carrying retard to believe that there was more election fraud in prior Presidential elections than this one.

I'm totally sure the papertrail only elections prior to secure software were totally rife with fairness and accurateness. Also, racist poll workers never made Black votes disappear for like the last century or so.

But hey your guy lost so no way it coulda been fair.

[rum dick]

Btw Druff out of curiosity when was the last time you've voted in person? Personally, this was the first election I haven't voted in person in several years. Long story short, I had to make more of an effort to prove my identity to vote by mail in this election than any of the in person votes I've done.

I voted in person in 2018.

I also didn't have to prove my identity one bit for this election. It came automatically, I voted, I signed, and my signature didn't match the one on file because it has changed since then, and I don't even remember what it looked like back then to imitate it well.

My vote was counted.

Someone else receiving my ballot could have done this, pretending to be me, and it also would have been counted.

SECURE!!!

It's just as secure as voting in person in Nevada or California.

[Dan Druff]

You have to be a card carrying retard to believe that there was more election fraud in prior Presidential elections than this one.

In prior elections, THE VAST MAJORITY OF VOTING WAS IN PERSON, and any mail-in fraud would have to be premeditated with absentee forms filled out well in advance.

In this election, TONS OF BALLOTS WERE ARRIVING IN PEOPLE'S MAILBOXES, many of which were for people who DIDN'T LIVE THERE ANYMORE or WEREN'T ALIVE or DID LIVE THERE BUT DIDN'T INTEND TO VOTE. It is MUCH EASIER to fill out these ballots and send them in, than to engage in risky in-person voter fraud or to set up fraudulent absentee ballots well in advance.

One situation presents little easy opportunity for fraud. The other situation drops other people's ballots literally right in your lap. And you're saying the first one had more fraud?

Give me a fucking break.

The problem is that small scale voter fraud is nearly impossible to detect, nor was there a lot of effort made to detect it. (Notice that there were no stories of an aggressive attempts to investigate and bust people for small scale voter fraud.) That's why this was deemed "secure". If you're not looking for nearly undetectable fraud, you can simply declare there wasn't any, and feel smug about it.

Saying this was THE MOST SECURE ELECTION EVARRR makes zero sense, and those claiming it are either partisan retards or in denial.

If this were happening, there would have been double votes. A ballot automatically arrives for someone who doesn't live there anymore and someone else fills it out and sends it back? Then the person who used to live there also requests a ballot to their new address and then what happens? Or they show up at the polls and then what happens? Some people may not intend to vote but the person filling it out can't count on that. Where are all the double votes? It's impossible this would not be noticed, because they check for double votes both when an absentee ballot comes in and when someone checks in when voting live.

As far as dead people voting, that is prevented at the time ballot requests are processed. This is extremely rare. Infinitesimal. The story you tweeted about the dead Michigan voter turned out not to be true, then you said you didn't care if it was true or not because it showed the potential for it to happen. Dead voters in Georgia retweeted a million times and screaming about it on OAN? Also false.

Several people including I believe Crowe Diddly have posted their personal firsthand knowledge of how this works, and the information about election security in every state is publicly available. They're professionals who are prepared for this kind of stuff. They're not dumb kids trying to unhook a girl's bra for the first time.

Every year there are a small handful of actual voting fraud cases. There was a guy in PA who tried to get a ballot for his dead mother (incidentally, he planned to vote Republican with it). But you can count these on one hand. If people were doing this on the scale of thousands or even hundreds, many more cases would be uncovered than are uncovered every year. A few would get through, but most would be caught and most ARE caught. The fact that they are not more caught is because there are not that many happening.

At some point you have to have some evidence.

I have evidence. My own ballot's signature didn't match the one I used to register.

COUNTED

It was a legit vote, of course, but they had no way to know that.

You're also incorrect about the double votes. My name is very uncommon, but what if my name were "Mike Jones"? Would every Mike Jones voting trigger a double vote? Of course not. They don't flag duplicate voter just because the same name appears on the rolls twice in two different locations. Therefore, there are tons of duplicate voter registrations on the rolls.

How do I know?

Again, because it happened to me. I had a duplicate registration on the rolls twice, and had to contact the registrar in both cases to remove the old one. Both times it happened through no fault of my own.

Let's say TJ Cloutier used to live in my house, but moved out in 2013, and went back to Las Vegas to play more craps. If I get TJ's ballot and vote as him, there's no detection, unless they catch the signature (which wasn't being checked very aggressively in most precincts). Even if the real TJ votes in Las Vegas, nothing catches this. Now, if TJ moves down the street and remains in the same precinct, then it might be caught. However, most people don't move within the same precinct, because the vast majority of moves involve some form of relocation -- or at least enough relocation to change precincts, which cover a small area.

Anyway, we can debate forever as to how much voter fraud occurred, and there's no way to prove who is correct. However, to say that there was LESS this time than 2004/2008/2012/2016 is absurd. Why would this be, when it was so much easier to do in 2020?

[Dan Druff]

I voted in person in 2018.

I also didn't have to prove my identity one bit for this election. It came automatically, I voted, I signed, and my signature didn't match the one on file because it has changed since then, and I don't even remember what it looked like back then to imitate it well.

My vote was counted.

Someone else receiving my ballot could have done this, pretending to be me, and it also would have been counted.

SECURE!!!

It's just as secure as voting in person in Nevada or California.

Just as secure, but far more opportunity and ease of fraud in 2020 than previous elections.

Thus, there will be more fraud.

Come on, you passed the CA bar and presumably did decently on the LSAT. Surely you can't be failing at logic this badly.

[limitles]

The level of stupidly is alarming. Sorry, but this goes to both sides.

You were irresponsible when stating "this election wasn't secure".
What you meant, and clarified later, was a potential for a less
secure election existed. Two different things.

Errors are part of any system and are expected. System failures are rare.
Be happy with your vague prediction. It can't be disproven.
In hindsight the system failure did not occur but you are still technically correct

You must recognize when you have cornered a liar, a bullshitter.
This guy can answer all your idiot questions but can't defend what
he has said as a half truth.

"This election wasn't secure" That literally means nothing
I can say the same about any new venture. This moon landing by the
Ugandans is problematic. It means nothing. He had no evidence
to support his theory. It is and was a mathematical possibility

And it didn't come to be

[rum dick]

It's just as secure as voting in person in Nevada or California.

Just as secure, but far more opportunity and ease of fraud in 2020 than previous elections.

Thus, there will be more fraud.

Come on, you passed the CA bar and presumably did decently on the LSAT. Surely you can't be failing at logic this badly.

I've passed multiple bars exams. The hardest part of a bar exam is having to be stuck in a room for multiple days. Ugh.

As for logic... Respectfully, you're sounding a lot like Rudy, Sidney and Lin right now. I'm seriously waiting for you to outright say show me evidence that there's no evidence of fraud and I might accept the results of the election. I know you're disappointed in the results of the election but you're smarter and better than whatever this is.

[rum dick]

"Just as secure, but far more opportunity and ease of fraud in 2020 than previous elections."

I can't even with this

[Dan Druff]

"Just as secure, but far more opportunity and ease of fraud in 2020 than previous elections."

I can't even with this

Why can't you?

Would you like an example to further explain what I mean? Here we go:

My home has an alarm system. If I leave for 2 hours, I turn it on. If I leave for 2 months, I also turn it on.

My house is just as secure for the 2 months I'm gone as it is when I'm gone two hours. But wait! That's not the whole story.

If I post on Twitter that I'm going to the dentist for 2 hours, and that the rest of my family is gone, will my house get broken into? Very unlikely. The opportunity simply isn't easily there.

However, if I post on Twitter that I'm taking my entire family on a trip for 2 moths, and my house will be empty, there is a MUCH GREATER chance that it will be broken into, because the ease and opportunity to do so is much larger. This is even true if we select a random 2-hour period from this 2-month timeframe, and look at the odds of a break-in compared to when I'm actually only gone 2 hours.

Yet it's the same security system in both cases. Get it now?

Similarly, if I am Joe Trumphater, I'm much more likely to mail in someone else's ballot which lands in my mailbox (especially if I know they've left the area) than I am to show up in person and impersonate another voter. I'm also far more likely to mail in that received ballot than to fill out bogus absentee registration forms months in advance.

When the opportunity to behave badly lands in a human being's lap, he is much more likely to act badly than when it requires effort to deviate from acceptable behavior.

[Dan Druff]

Just as secure, but far more opportunity and ease of fraud in 2020 than previous elections.

Thus, there will be more fraud.

Come on, you passed the CA bar and presumably did decently on the LSAT. Surely you can't be failing at logic this badly.

I've passed multiple bars exams. The hardest part of a bar exam is having to be stuck in a room for multiple days. Ugh.

As for logic... Respectfully, you're sounding a lot like Rudy, Sidney and Lin right now. I'm seriously waiting for you to outright say show me evidence that there's no evidence of fraud and I might accept the results of the election. I know you're disappointed in the results of the election but you're smarter and better than whatever this is.

I've said multiple times that Trump lost the election. I said this early on, and was never even slightly onboard the "Trump got cheated" train. So I have no idea what you're trying to say above.

Again, two things can be true at once. There could be increased voter fraud AND the election was still legit. We don't need to declare THE MOST SECURE ELECTION EVARRR to say this was a legit Biden victory.

[limitles]

"Just as secure, but far more opportunity and ease of fraud in 2020 than previous elections."

I can't even with this

Why can't you?

Would you like an example to further explain what I mean? Here we go:

My home has an alarm system. If I leave for 2 hours, I turn it on. If I leave for 2 months, I also turn it on.

My house is just as secure for the 2 months I'm gone as it is when I'm gone two hours. But wait! That's not the whole story.

If I post on Twitter that I'm going to the dentist for 2 hours, and that the rest of my family is gone, will my house get broken into? Very unlikely. The opportunity simply isn't easily there.

However, if I post on Twitter that I'm taking my entire family on a trip for 2 moths, and my house will be empty, there is a MUCH GREATER chance that it will be broken into, because the ease and opportunity to do so is much larger. This is even true if we select a random 2-hour period from this 2-month timeframe, and look at the odds of a break-in compared to when I'm actually only gone 2 hours.

Yet it's the same security system in both cases. Get it now?

Similarly, if I am Joe Trumphater, I'm much more likely to mail in someone else's ballot which lands in my mailbox (especially if I know they've left the area) than I am to show up in person and impersonate another voter. I'm also far more likely to mail in that received ballot than to fill out bogus absentee registration forms months in advance.

When the opportunity to behave badly lands in a human being's lap, he is much more likely to act badly than when it requires effort to deviate from acceptable behavior.

I would love to see your scientific data supporting your theory

[Dan Druff]

There are so many human nature examples I could cite which are similar.

Your wife is more likely to cheat on you if she's working long hours alone with a charming, good looking guy, than if she has to put effort into seeking out an affair.

Your employee is more likely to embezzle money if left solely in charge of the finances, than if several people have their hands in the process.

A stranger is far more likely to steal your iPhone sitting on a park bench with nobody around, than he his to grab it and run off if it's sitting on the other side of the bench, 4 feet away from you.

A company is far more likely to negotiate a bill in dispute when you haven't paid them anything yet, as opposed to when they're already holding all the money.



So if you believe all of that....

A person is far more likely to engage in voter fraud if someone else's ballot shows up in their mailbox, as opposed to when they need to commit the fraud in person or engage in premeditated phony registration.


You'd have to be a complete dunce to believe it was possible this was a more secure election than the others in the 2000s. The opportunity to do it was FAR greater, and it does not appear that signature matching was aggressively done in a lot of precincts.

[mickeycrimm]

[QUOTE=rum dick;943394]Elaborate about Biden's role in your conspiracy.[/QUOTE

The conspirators, Hillary, Obama, Biden, Brennan, Clapper and Comey feared Michael Flynn as NSA because he was sharp enough to figure out they had been spying on the Trump campaign. Per Peter Stzrok's notes, in a White House meeting Biden advised Comey to try and nail Flynn for violation of an obscure law called the Logan Act....which hadn't been used in about 200 years. Biden participated in and was in the know on everything that went on in the Russia Hoax.

[mickeycrimm]

I wasn't a leg, grunt. I worked in the office up under the air conditioning. When you were on the ground you were nothing but a leg too. But we didn't call you legs. We called you what you were, GRUNTS. The main thing about you GRUNTS is INE. Stands for "INTELLIGENCE NOT ESSENTIAL." From the looks of your posts you damn sure lived up to it.

Biden played an integral role in the conspiracy to remove a duly elected president from office through nefarious means. How do you rationalize backing a criminal, grunt?

Did you just say I back Biden? You have to be one of the dumbest hillbillies I’ve ever come across.

And no, I wasn’t a grunt you filthy, worthless leg.

You filthy worthless grunt. INE

[limitles]

There are so many human nature examples I could cite which are similar.

Your wife is more likely to cheat on you if she's working long hours alone with a charming, good looking guy, than if she has to put effort into seeking out an affair.

Your employee is more likely to embezzle money if left solely in charge of the finances, than if several people have their hands in the process.

A stranger is far more likely to steal your iPhone sitting on a park bench with nobody around, than he his to grab it and run off if it's sitting on the other side of the bench, 4 feet away from you.

A company is far more likely to negotiate a bill in dispute when you haven't paid them anything yet, as opposed to when they're already holding all the money.



So if you believe all of that....

A person is far more likely to engage in voter fraud if someone else's ballot shows up in their mailbox, as opposed to when they need to commit the fraud in person or engage in premeditated phony registration.


You'd have to be a complete dunce to believe it was possible this was a more secure election than the others in the 2000s. The opportunity to do it was FAR greater, and it does not appear that signature matching was aggressively done in a lot of precincts.

nope nope no
nothing you have said is based on fact
Any conclusions you provide based on your fears
are inadmissible

[mickeycrimm]

LOL at anyone calling Trump a dictator when they got Heil Whitmer, Heil Cuomo, Heil Newsom, Heil Wolf, Heil Brown, Heil Inslee, Heil Murphy in their party.

"We have ways to make you close your small businesses." Der Fuehrers

As a californian, thank you for pointing this out and also do you happen to know where the entrance to the underground railroad to Arizona is? Super worried Newsom is gonna start rounding up the white people soon.

Meanwhile, hoardes of companies, including the oldest company in Silicon Valley, Hewlitt-Packard, are leaving California. You've taxed, regulated and harrassed these job creating companies clean out of your own state. Real smart move there, Mr. dumb dick

[limitles]

As a californian, thank you for pointing this out and also do you happen to know where the entrance to the underground railroad to Arizona is? Super worried Newsom is gonna start rounding up the white people soon.

Meanwhile, hoardes of companies, including the oldest company in Silicon Valley, Hewlitt-Packard, are leaving California. You've taxed, regulated and harrassed these job creating companies clean out of your own state. Real smart move there, Mr. dumb dick

Right. Corporations have sold out local businesses for years now
They don't care about you. They're not your neighbours. Local taxes provide support to the community. Corporations and their investors are in the game for one reason. Profit. Bottom line.

These bitches are getting rich off your dumb ass
They will go where ever the profit margin is best.

[mickeycrimm]

Care to put 10K on whether I live in a van or not?

If only you had $10K

Here's my 10K. Where's yours, wittle waltie?

[limitles]

If only you had $10K

Here's my 10K. Where's yours, wittle waltie?

fix my post you stunned cunt

[dwai]

If only you had $10K

Here's my 10K. Where's yours, wittle waltie?

MICKEYCRIMM OWNING PFA

[mickeycrimm]

Rome didn't fall in a day.

If Democrats were to run the country for the next 60 years what would it look like? We only have to look at areas of the country they have controlled for that long to get an idea. Very large ghettos in the democrat run cities. Urban blight. High unemployment in those ghettos. Very high welfare rate. Very high violent crime rate.

Detroit, for example, is probably the largest ghetto. Chicago is the most violent ghetto. Baltimore is probably the poorest ghetto. Democrats have to trap people on the bottom of the economic ladder to maintain a voter base. It insures they win elections no matter how bad a job they have done or how bad things get.

And now these cities have just sustained more job and business loss due to BLM/Antifa burning, looting, rioting while democrats fiddled. Hey, get the pun, wittle waltie? "Rome didn't fall in a day. Democrats fiddled." That's some funny shit right there, now.