**OFFICIAL Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph (Joe) R. Biden Thread - 2020 Presidential Election**

[gimmick]

Also parts of it is just geography. Most of Norway and Finland have about a month in the summer when sun doesn't really go down. Small push to the right direction kept us clear because we dodged most of the flu season. Sweden did their best to fuck us over but it wasn't enough.

In case anyone believed Brexit era open borders BS, this was how open they are in practice. We all can close them whenever we want.

But thanks to president Biden and our former German allies for delivering a vaccine to this plague we don't have to go through a full flu season.

[nightmarefish]

The United States did all this by March. When did you guys have all these precautions in place?

This is one place where you can look at general social distancing and mask usage, just change the country...

https://covid19.healthdata.org/unite...-use&tab=trend

...if you look at just those 2 things and adjust for different seasonal patterns (you're 2-4 weeks "late" of Europe) nothing worth mentioning pops up, but...

...it's not really how this thing works. National data is fuckall when this thing pops up in different frequencies in different parts of the nation. Super spreader events are a real thing and there's a clear point where you can significantly slow it vs just damage control. Testing a lot is thing that matters. Being behind in testing by six weeks will fuck you up. There's no containing it at that point.

When 90% of the country doesn't have a single case what the fuck are masks and/or social distancing going to do in that portion of the country. Control of all travel (other countries and interstate) and testing to tell you when you need quarantine/distancing/masks is all that's effective.

The United States is uncontrollable IMO thus the virus will eventually do what it's gonna do. Even the more cautious left, voted by mail to avoid the spread of the virus yet immediately took to the streets by the thousands without a care to celebrate. The majority of Americans (and the world for that matter) have covid fatigue thus the virus is unstoppable. I'm sure there's some model that will be produced that can predict human behavior using the basic characteristics of any virus. Something that factors in how contagious, how deadly, how long it's projected to last and maybe a few other things.

[sonatine]

Even the more cautious left, voted by mail to avoid the spread of the virus yet immediately took to the streets by the thousands without a care to celebrate.

wearing masks.

like they did at the BLM protests.

as opposed to [ checks notes ] every single right wing event since spring, most of which became superspreader events because apparently jesus fire does not in fact protect them.

[OSA]

Even the more cautious left, voted by mail to avoid the spread of the virus yet immediately took to the streets by the thousands without a care to celebrate.

wearing masks.

like they did at the BLM protests.

as opposed to [ checks notes ] every single right wing event since spring, most of which became superspreader events because apparently jesus fire does not in fact protect them.

Tons of events had people without masks though. I remember seeing a few Breonna Taylor "events" where hundreds were without one.

[nightmarefish]

Even the more cautious left, voted by mail to avoid the spread of the virus yet immediately took to the streets by the thousands without a care to celebrate.

wearing masks.

like they did at the BLM protests.

as opposed to [ checks notes ] every single right wing event since spring, most of which became superspreader events because apparently jesus fire does not in fact protect them.

I agree they're more cautious but those are also super spreader events. It's not like everyone had a properly fitted NV5 mask and wore it correctly. I saw lots of masks around people's necks and the like, jumping up and down, drinking champagne, dancing etc etc etc. Jake Tapper was visually disturbed going to his correspondents on the ground and to his credit he criticized the celebrators. Infinitely safer to vote in person than go to one of those celebrations. Point is, the virus will eventually win, no president will stop it.

[sonatine]

ben carson just tested positive btw.



he got it at a right wing rally.

[sonatine]

wearing masks.

like they did at the BLM protests.

as opposed to [ checks notes ] every single right wing event since spring, most of which became superspreader events because apparently jesus fire does not in fact protect them.

I agree they're more cautious but those are also super spreader events. It's not like everyone had a properly fitted NV5 mask and wore it correctly. I saw lots of masks around people's necks and the like, jumping up and down, drinking champagne, dancing etc etc etc. Jake Tapper was visually disturbed going to his correspondents on the ground and to his credit he criticized the celebrators. Infinitely safer to vote in person than go to one of those celebrations. Point is, the virus will eventually win, no president will stop it.

like honestly if i had a gun to my head and had to pick numbers, id say 3% of the biden celebration rally was unmasked and 95% of every single trump rally has been unmasked.

fuck those selfish cunts who didnt wear their masks at the biden celebrations but id prefer we keep things in perspective.

[sonatine]

also if you want to argue that the BLM protesters wore masks on both sides just to avoid being identified by the police id have literally no clever retort.

[sonatine]

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[Sloppy Joe]

I do love the excuse, "DA DEMOCRATS DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TRUMP KNEW SO THEY COULDN'T HAVE KNOWN DA RIGHT THING TO DO!!!!!11"

Uh huh.

Not only is that BS, but even I knew enough in late January to quit going to Commerce because I didn't want to get this thing. And that was before a single verified (at the time) US death had occurred.

So somehow I knew it wasn't safe to play at Commerce, but the highest ranking Democrats had absolutely no idea what to do because Trump was keeping it a secret from them, or something.

Interesting.

Maybe it's just time to admit that nobody had experience with something like this, and any mistakes made by Trump would have been made by a Democrat in office. There really are idiots on the left who believe we'd have significantly fewer deaths if a Democrat had been President. No evidence, no science to back it up, no explanation why Europe got it just as bad -- just stupid statements blaming Trump.

FYI, I'll tell you in advance that I'm not going to blame Biden for COVID continuing unless he makes tangible mistakes which I can factually point out. Would be nice if the whiny left could do the same for Trump, but I know that's asking way too much.

Trump is on tape confirming that he knew it would be devastating and publicly stated otherwise. No other politician in either party would have taken this line.

The country is used to taking the president at his word, and his base followed accordingly by treating COVID as a hoax, leading to more deaths.

None of this is debatable.

[nightmarefish]

I agree they're more cautious but those are also super spreader events. It's not like everyone had a properly fitted NV5 mask and wore it correctly. I saw lots of masks around people's necks and the like, jumping up and down, drinking champagne, dancing etc etc etc. Jake Tapper was visually disturbed going to his correspondents on the ground and to his credit he criticized the celebrators. Infinitely safer to vote in person than go to one of those celebrations. Point is, the virus will eventually win, no president will stop it.

like honestly if i had a gun to my head and had to pick numbers, id say 3% of the biden celebration rally was unmasked and 95% of every single trump rally has been unmasked.

fuck those selfish cunts who didnt wear their masks at the biden celebrations but id prefer we keep things in perspective.

I'm with you. My family really hasn't done anything since March. It's hard to watch people not take it seriously which drags everything out for those of us that are doing are part. Watching everything play out makes it clear to me that a country like the US is incapable of controlling something like this. Imagine if Hillary had won in 2016 and she was telling everyone to wear a mask. Probably double the people would have shown up in Sturgis just to tell her to fuck off.

[gimmick]

This is one place where you can look at general social distancing and mask usage, just change the country...

https://covid19.healthdata.org/unite...-use&tab=trend

...if you look at just those 2 things and adjust for different seasonal patterns (you're 2-4 weeks "late" of Europe) nothing worth mentioning pops up, but...

...it's not really how this thing works. National data is fuckall when this thing pops up in different frequencies in different parts of the nation. Super spreader events are a real thing and there's a clear point where you can significantly slow it vs just damage control. Testing a lot is thing that matters. Being behind in testing by six weeks will fuck you up. There's no containing it at that point.

When 90% of the country doesn't have a single case what the fuck are masks and/or social distancing going to do in that portion of the country. Control of all travel (other countries and interstate) and testing to tell you when you need quarantine/distancing/masks is all that's effective.

The United States is uncontrollable IMO thus the virus will eventually do what it's gonna do. Even the more cautious left, voted by mail to avoid the spread of the virus yet immediately took to the streets by the thousands without a care to celebrate. The majority of Americans (and the world for that matter) have covid fatigue thus the virus is unstoppable. I'm sure there's some model that will be produced that can predict human behavior using the basic characteristics of any virus. Something that factors in how contagious, how deadly, how long it's projected to last and maybe a few other things.

What Sonatine said about masks. And outdoors you really have to work hard to get it. The basic immune system of most somewhat healthy individuals can deal with a small viral load. It's getting bombarded indoors that fucks people over. Or shared ventilation and few other things.

In the context of Europe, Spaniards, Italians and French are pretty fucking handsy with questionable limits on personal space. The Finns started social distancing shortly after the ice age.

Greeks are pretty close to other Southern-Europeans. They just took it really seriously from the start and fared really well.

I have no idea where i'm going with this besides that there are national, ethnic and geographical differences, but there are things you can do that still have an impact. Now how well the general public responses to the guidelines given from "above" you also have some differences.

[nightmarefish]

I do love the excuse, "DA DEMOCRATS DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TRUMP KNEW SO THEY COULDN'T HAVE KNOWN DA RIGHT THING TO DO!!!!!11"

Uh huh.

Not only is that BS, but even I knew enough in late January to quit going to Commerce because I didn't want to get this thing. And that was before a single verified (at the time) US death had occurred.

So somehow I knew it wasn't safe to play at Commerce, but the highest ranking Democrats had absolutely no idea what to do because Trump was keeping it a secret from them, or something.

Interesting.

Maybe it's just time to admit that nobody had experience with something like this, and any mistakes made by Trump would have been made by a Democrat in office. There really are idiots on the left who believe we'd have significantly fewer deaths if a Democrat had been President. No evidence, no science to back it up, no explanation why Europe got it just as bad -- just stupid statements blaming Trump.

FYI, I'll tell you in advance that I'm not going to blame Biden for COVID continuing unless he makes tangible mistakes which I can factually point out. Would be nice if the whiny left could do the same for Trump, but I know that's asking way too much.

Trump is on tape confirming that he knew it would be devastating and publicly stated otherwise. No other politician in either party would have taken this line.

The country is used to taking the president at his word, and his base followed accordingly by treating COVID as a hoax, leading to more deaths.

None of this is debatable.

What would have been done differently?

[TheXFactor]

Only Republican and Trump rally's are super-spreader events.

All Democratic, Black Lives Matter and Defund The Police rally's and protests are covid free.

[dwai]

Trump is on tape confirming that he knew it would be devastating and publicly stated otherwise. No other politician in either party would have taken this line.

The country is used to taking the president at his word, and his base followed accordingly by treating COVID as a hoax, leading to more deaths.

None of this is debatable.

What would have been done differently?

nobody seems to ever answer this question

[nightmarefish]

The United States is uncontrollable IMO thus the virus will eventually do what it's gonna do. Even the more cautious left, voted by mail to avoid the spread of the virus yet immediately took to the streets by the thousands without a care to celebrate. The majority of Americans (and the world for that matter) have covid fatigue thus the virus is unstoppable. I'm sure there's some model that will be produced that can predict human behavior using the basic characteristics of any virus. Something that factors in how contagious, how deadly, how long it's projected to last and maybe a few other things.

What Sonatine said about masks. And outdoors you really have to work hard to get it. The basic immune system of most somewhat healthy individuals can deal with a small viral load. It's getting bombarded indoors that fucks people over. Or shared ventilation and few other things.

In the context of Europe, Spaniards, Italians and French are pretty fucking handsy with questionable limits on personal space. The Finns started social distancing shortly after the ice age.

Greeks are pretty close to other Southern-Europeans. They just took it really seriously from the start and fared really well.

I have no idea where i'm going with this besides that there are national, ethnic and geographical differences, but there are things you can do that still have an impact. Now how well the general public responses to the guidelines given from "above" you also have some differences.

That's where the model I was talking about comes into play. There are things that can be done to slow the spread but eventually as time goes on more and more people say fuck this. This isn't just Republicans, many dems I know continue to get more lax as time goes on. Chris Cuomo just got put on blast because he refused to wear a mask in his building. I'm at a stage in my life wear it's easy to stay home, the downside just doesn't impact me that much. But if a was still 21, no kids, no wife, I'm sure I would have a very different outlook.

[OSA]

No other politician in either party would have taken this line.




You must be new to politics

[BCR]

Trump is on tape confirming that he knew it would be devastating and publicly stated otherwise. No other politician in either party would have taken this line.

The country is used to taking the president at his word, and his base followed accordingly by treating COVID as a hoax, leading to more deaths.

None of this is debatable.

What would have been done differently?

Don’t encourage your 70 million people to throw caution to the wind and downplay it? They might have anyway. Doesn’t matter. Leaders lead. Doesn’t mean people listen. If you told someone basically it’s just the flu bro, which is what he’s been doing for all intents and purposes, and they died, you’d feel horrible because you’re not a sociopath.

He didn’t lose because the virus. He lost because he’s an asshole.

[Walter Sobchak]

wearing masks.

like they did at the BLM protests.

as opposed to [ checks notes ] every single right wing event since spring, most of which became superspreader events because apparently jesus fire does not in fact protect them.

I agree they're more cautious but those are also super spreader events. It's not like everyone had a properly fitted NV5 mask and wore it correctly. I saw lots of masks around people's necks and the like, jumping up and down, drinking champagne, dancing etc etc etc. Jake Tapper was visually disturbed going to his correspondents on the ground and to his credit he criticized the celebrators. Infinitely safer to vote in person than go to one of those celebrations. Point is, the virus will eventually win, no president will stop it.

Gotta agree with you here. They're more careful than Trump supporters but they're still behaving somewhat irresponsibly.

[nightmarefish]

What would have been done differently?

Don’t encourage your 70 million people to throw caution to the wind and downplay it? They might have anyway. Doesn’t matter. Leaders lead. Doesn’t mean people listen. If you told someone basically it’s just the flu bro, which is what he’s been doing for all intents and purposes, and they died, you’d feel horrible because you’re not a sociopath.

He didn’t lose because the virus. He lost because he’s an asshole.

Trump's worst leader I've ever seen in my life. That doesn't convince me that if Hillary Clinton won in 2016 that the death toll would be less. Andrew Cuomo's leadership was top top yet he has more blood on his hands than anyone I can think of. BTW, I don't agree with Coumo politically but if he had ran for president he would have gotten my vote.

"He lost because he's an asshole".



Also, Michael Rapaport agrees.