So coronavirus is definitely going to kill a few of us.

[Dan Druff]

I think you and splitthis should get married. Both of you are obsessed with the topic of reducing obesity.

Now, don't get me wrong, I agree that the increased obesity in the US is a public health problem, and I am in the process of losing weight myself, despite not being obese.

However, COVID would still be plenty of a problem if the obesity rate was under 10% (it would still be killing old and sick people, for one), and it would not solve most of the health insurance crisis. It might bring health insurance rates down a little bit, but the health insurance problem is due to a combination of an antiquated, piecemeal billing system (which is rarely discussed), a doctor shortage (also rarely discussed), and a preferred-provider insurance scheme which discourages the free market (again, rarely discussed).

Druff, 80% of the people dying are obese, age is actually the second indicator.

Also, this needs it’s own thread but 15% of the direct healthcare costs go to treat obesity specific problems. Some studies show as much as 50% of health care costs are obesity related. None of the reasons you list come close to accounting for that much of the cost.

Also obesity is responsible for about an 8% reduction ($1.7 trillion) in the economy annually. Also backed up through multiple studies.

It’s literally a pandemic exponentially worse than COVID but it kills people slowly so we don’t seem to care.

Age is not a second indicator. I posted a study somewhere back in this thread regarding NYC hospital admissions for COVID-19.

Obesity was found to be the second indicator, but a very distant second. If you believe otherwise, show me a single credible study which claims this.

Do you think it's better to be 45 and 300 pounds, or a healthy 80-year-old who is 170 pounds, for COVID-19 purposes? 100% the 80-year-old is far, far worse off.

While obesity is indeed a growing problem in the US, you and splitthis are exaggerating its effects. Also, I doubt the $1.7 trillion figure. Not only does it seem very high, but it might actually be beneficial to the economy in that it prevents as many people from reaching old age where they become a net drain on society (at least economically).

If you want to make the case, "Don't be obese, you will die earlier and have more health problems, and also be more susceptible to major COVID-19 symptoms", I'll agree with you.

However, I believe you and splitthis are seeing this as a far bigger crisis than it is, similar to other real-but-exaggerated-consequence problems such as global warming.

[Dan Druff]

When is it time for the government to admit that people under 35 aren't that vulnerable to major or damaging symptoms, and we should think about making them part of the reopening process?

Because that would make sense to me. Would also possibly help with herd immunity.

I think hiding the young adults at this point might be a mistake.

[abrown83]

Druff, 80% of the people dying are obese, age is actually the second indicator.

Also, this needs it’s own thread but 15% of the direct healthcare costs go to treat obesity specific problems. Some studies show as much as 50% of health care costs are obesity related. None of the reasons you list come close to accounting for that much of the cost.

Also obesity is responsible for about an 8% reduction ($1.7 trillion) in the economy annually. Also backed up through multiple studies.

It’s literally a pandemic exponentially worse than COVID but it kills people slowly so we don’t seem to care.

Age is not a second indicator. I posted a study somewhere back in this thread regarding NYC hospital admissions for COVID-19.

Obesity was found to be the second indicator, but a very distant second. If you believe otherwise, show me a single credible study which claims this.

Do you think it's better to be 45 and 300 pounds, or a healthy 80-year-old who is 170 pounds, for COVID-19 purposes? 100% the 80-year-old is far, far worse off.

While obesity is indeed a growing problem in the US, you and splitthis are exaggerating its effects. Also, I doubt the $1.7 trillion figure. Not only does it seem very high, but it might actually be beneficial to the economy in that it prevents as many people from reaching old age where they become a net drain on society (at least economically).

If you want to make the case, "Don't be obese, you will die earlier and have more health problems, and also be more susceptible to major COVID-19 symptoms", I'll agree with you.

However, I believe you and splitthis are seeing this as a far bigger crisis than it is, similar to other real-but-exaggerated-consequence problems such as global warming.

Druff read this 30 page summary of a bunch of other studies (all cited)

https://milkeninstitute.org/reports/...-excess-weight

[abrown83]

This is what I have been following for stats since cases and hospitalizations are jokes now because testing is all askew.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/d...-7-day-average

[tgull]

When is it time for the government to admit that people under 35 aren't that vulnerable to major or damaging symptoms, and we should think about making them part of the reopening process?

Because that would make sense to me. Would also possibly help with herd immunity.

I think hiding the young adults at this point might be a mistake.

The dumbest thing ever was closing colleges nationwide. You basically took thousands of asymptomatic and healthy carriers and sent them home to be with their parents and elderly grandparents. Makes sense. There was an author I was listening to on a podcast a few weeks ago, he had an article with the NYT to get this message out not to close colleges. By the time the Times vetted it, it was too late, colleges had already closed. This was almost a systemic cleansing in retrospect.

[blake]

When is it time for the government to admit that people under 35 aren't that vulnerable to major or damaging symptoms, and we should think about making them part of the reopening process?

Because that would make sense to me. Would also possibly help with herd immunity.

I think hiding the young adults at this point might be a mistake.

i tend to agree with the sentiment of reopening, but the answer to your question is that it would lead to a huge spike in deaths as the younger people would infect older people too.

choosing to kill off possibly hundreds of thousands of people (or more) is a decision no politician is eager to make.

(note i agree with the premise that crippling poverty may kill even more people than covid will.)

[lol wow]

blakes face suffers from crippling poverty

[gauchojake]

Drudge is less partisan than leftists who never view it perceive it as.

Drudge hyperlinks a lot of stories from NYT, CNN, Reuters, etc.

But they also hyperlink Fox, DailyCaller, DailyMail, etc.

Of course, the average leftist views not exclusively hyperlinking left wing sources as indication of extreme right wing bias.

Drudge has been on record saying he will link stories that create the most clicks, plain and simple. He already had the right wing under his thumb, now he is roping in the left wing. His traffic is exploding, he has both wings now in his rotation.

Bro I have been on Drudge since 2007.

[gauchojake]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/volunteer...183145252.html

A complaint was filed to the House Oversight Committee by a volunteer on Jared Kushner's coronavirus response team expressing concerns about the group's lack of success in obtaining medical supplies, the Washington Post reported.

Interestingly there are reports of large medical supply companies who are tied to this (McKesson, Cardinal, et al) that are literally buying supplies that have been brokered 2x from the original manufacturer. Costs are through the roof to customers who are seeing 300% + increases from their previous costs.

Kushner is a complete clown and over his skis here. At this point I could literally buy direct from factories while multi billion dollar corporations are stuck paying inflated prices at the direction of the Federal govt.

[tgull]

Drudge is less partisan than leftists who never view it perceive it as.

Drudge hyperlinks a lot of stories from NYT, CNN, Reuters, etc.

But they also hyperlink Fox, DailyCaller, DailyMail, etc.

Of course, the average leftist views not exclusively hyperlinking left wing sources as indication of extreme right wing bias.

fun fact matt drudge is gay.

he also really cant fucking stand idiots. hence his constant refusal to sugarcoat trumps myriad failures.

Rumored gay, he denies it and there is no evidence (that is qualified) that he is indeed a homosexual. Lot's of speculation though, but he denies it, and since he is worth over $125M he would have no reason to deny it. He has nothing to prove after 25 years of being one of the highest rated websites in a generation.

[Walter Sobchak]

Look who's talking, the biggest bundle of sticks on this forum.

You made your point Walt. Take your incessant trolling to another thread or at least do what Muck does and keep it to red reps. You are a thread polluter and add nothing.

I'm engaging in real discussions, except with trolls like you.

You follow Muck around, make thread after thread about him, and bump 5 year old threads just to say Good Post!!!! Good Post!!!

It doesn't get much faggier than that.

[tgull]

You made your point Walt. Take your incessant trolling to another thread or at least do what Muck does and keep it to red reps. You are a thread polluter and add nothing.

I'm engaging in real discussions, except with trolls like you.

You follow Muck around, make thread after thread about him, and bump 5 year old threads just to say Good Post!!!! Good Post!!!

It doesn't get much faggier than that.

You made your point. You win. Time to take a nap.

[Dan Druff]

fun fact matt drudge is gay.

he also really cant fucking stand idiots. hence his constant refusal to sugarcoat trumps myriad failures.

Rumored gay, he denies it and there is no evidence (that is qualified) that he is indeed a homosexual. Lot's of speculation though, but he denies it, and since he is worth over $125M he would have no reason to deny it. He has nothing to prove after 25 years of being one of the highest rated websites in a generation.

The assumption for decades has actually been that he's asexual.

Gay is also possible, but I actually get more of an asexual vibe from him.

[BCR]

Tomorrow everything is allowed open completely. What business thrives? Barber shops and beauty salons. That’s not a big part of the economy. Are you buying a new car? Going to a movie? Out to eat? Going to the gym? There won’t be sports or concerts or broadway because of liability. The answer is yes to all of that stuff but everything is going to be doing 50% of the business they ever did.

How are we not in a total depression era economy with huge piles of bodies quickly? Who is spending with all the uncertainty? Are you buying that pool or jacuzzi this year? Adding to your home? I just can’t see people doing anything but hoarding money until the uncertainty passes unless something is absolutely necessary. Great the gym is open until it closes in 3 months. Your favorite eatery is open until it’s closing in 3 months. Your favorite bar is closing in 3 months. What studios aren’t just shelving movies already made until a different time?

People are protesting and saying let us be free. That’s fine. Now what? Most of the stuff people miss is reliant on not going bankrupt. Your factory has to build shit for someone that wants to buy it. Planes will be 1/3 full. Same with pretty much anything. Are hospitals and doctor offices allowing reps to sell when they didn’t even allow family two weeks ago? That’s a huge sector of the economy.

It’s not as if when we throw the doors open people are going to not notice that 50k bodies are piling up in a month. If your business is doing well even, how do you avoid 20% of your staff not being out sick for a hard two weeks. This isn’t a 48 hour bug. If it hits you, you’re half dead for two weeks.

I don’t care at this point. Let’s give it a shot and open it up. The quarantine hasn’t been the bad part. Everyone outside a few businesses have been shut down since the body count was 100. Almost everything is going to struggle. People simply aren’t going to spend $ and it all grinds to a halt when people don’t spend.

The quarantine will be the good old days when you thought you had a job still and people weren’t broke yet. Once it opens up, your business folds, you go from furloughed to unemployed. Your office building is just waves of people getting sick. Who is answering the phone today? Who is doing the shipping today? It’s just going to be who is out sick everywhere. Even if it only hits 30% in a really bad flu like manner, thats devastating when it’s just constant.

It’s going to be interesting to see, but if we open anywhere like where we are at, I don’t see how we aren’t just back here in three weeks and much worse in six weeks. Forget fall.

Shelter in place and all of it is a bit overrated really. We are fucked. Not because of the shutdown. We simply are fucked because the genie is out of the bottle and there isn’t any putting it back until we reach herd immunity, if that’s even achievable, and half of everything will be bankrupt by then.

[BCR]

The white trash dwai has weighed in. How about rubbing your two brain cells together and tell me what business thrives and where I’m wrong? Forget the governors orders. Why will the economy hum? What’s doing 80% of last years business? I hope to be wrong.

[dwai]

The white trash dwai has weighed in. How about rubbing your two brain cells together and tell me what business thrives and where I’m wrong? Forget the governors orders. Why will the economy hum? What’s doing 80% of last years business? I hope to be wrong.

You mad hun?

you're not wrong, about anything, point is, you've said it all before, a thousand times, stfu already how many times you gonna write the same post with 2k words?

[sonatine]

fun fact matt drudge is gay.

he also really cant fucking stand idiots. hence his constant refusal to sugarcoat trumps myriad failures.

Rumored gay, he denies it and there is no evidence (that is qualified) that he is indeed a homosexual. Lot's of speculation though, but he denies it, and since he is worth over $125M he would have no reason to deny it. He has nothing to prove after 25 years of being one of the highest rated websites in a generation.

ok cool but hes gay. like just so you know. like if you meet him and youre getting along and hes paying for drinks and is super into you, youre being cruised. and if youre like wow yeah ill head back to your place and chill id love to see your signed copy of henry kissingers manuscript matt drudge, he expects you to make love with him.

[tgull]

No offense BCR, but we all get you despise Trump and to even the casual observer you are almost rooting for this virus to expand to end his Presidency. You seem to always qualify most of your recent pontifications: "I hope the virus ends, but..."

That might not be how you feel, but to most everyone you are very angry and, well, I'll leave it at that.

[dwai]

No offense BCR, but we all get you despise Trump and to even the casual observer you are almost rooting for this virus to expand to end his Presidency. You seem to always qualify most of your recent pontifications: "I hope the virus ends, but..."

That might not be how you feel, but to most everyone you are very angry and, well, I'll leave it at that.

[tgull]

Rumored gay, he denies it and there is no evidence (that is qualified) that he is indeed a homosexual. Lot's of speculation though, but he denies it, and since he is worth over $125M he would have no reason to deny it. He has nothing to prove after 25 years of being one of the highest rated websites in a generation.

ok cool but hes gay. like just so you know. like if you meet him and youre getting along and hes paying for drinks and is super into you, youre being cruised. and if youre like wow yeah ill head back to your place and chill id love to see your signed copy of henry kissingers manuscript matt drudge, he expects you to make love with him.

Henry Kissinger is a globalist, so I would have paid for my own drink and walked to the dart board. But I get your point.