Yeah that's gotta be wrong. It would also wipe out most smokers within 10 years.Originally Posted by BetCheckBet
That can’t be right. You are telling me if you are a smoker in India you have a 8 percent chance of dying within a year?
I get I’m playing with the numbers but the smoker to death ratio looks too high.
The ratio is USA is about 1.5 percebt
My bad. It’s over 61k now. The reason for this post was I saw this video making the rounds a few days ago. Two Bakersfield quacks who run urgent cares comparing the death rates for the flu to this thing. Typical Facebook retard nonsense. I ignored it even though it was being gobbled up. I’m sure these guys have some financial incentive for misleading people and comparing yearly rates to something that’s been around in any real numbers for six weeks.
https://banned.video/watch?id=5ea4994ea881fd00808e95ad
I didn’t care until I saw them on Fox News spouting the same garbage to a much larger audience.
Arguments about the cost to the economy v human life are fair arguments. I don’t consider anyone Mengele for questioning our approach and if what we are doing is worth the cost. That’s pragmatism.
This continued drumbeat of false equivalencies that I see coming out of right wing media is why they’ll always own this virus here in the US and many of the deaths. Make an honest survival of the fittest argument based on actual facts. Explain the societal costs of a down economy for a prolonged period of time. Quit lying about the cost of the virus though.
It’s so fucking disingenuous and it’s been constant since this thing has arrived from Trump on down through his media machine. Always lying and minimizing. It’s going to blow up right in their face come election time if we are sitting at 250k dead.
If you make a true argument with real facts and projections, put the question to the American people , then it’s a societal decision. He didn’t create the virus. Lying about the implications though, that’s entirely different.
My bad. It’s over 61k now. The reason for this post was I saw this video making the rounds a few days ago. Two Bakersfield quacks who run urgent cares comparing the death rates for the flu to this thing. Typical Facebook retard nonsense. I ignored it even though it was being gobbled up. I’m sure these guys have some financial incentive for misleading people and comparing yearly rates to something that’s been around in any real numbers for six weeks.
https://banned.video/watch?id=5ea4994ea881fd00808e95ad
I didn’t care until I saw them on Fox News spouting the same garbage to a much larger audience.
Arguments about the cost to the economy v human life are fair arguments. I don’t consider anyone Mengele for questioning our approach and if what we are doing is worth the cost. That’s pragmatism.
This continued drumbeat of false equivalencies that I see coming out of right wing media is why they’ll always own this virus here in the US and many of the deaths. Make an honest survival of the fittest argument based on actual facts. Explain the societal costs of a down economy for a prolonged period of time. Quit lying about the cost of the virus though.
It’s so fucking disingenuous and it’s been constant since this thing has arrived from Trump on down through his media machine. Always lying and minimizing. It’s going to blow up right in their face come election time if we are sitting at 250k dead.
If you make a true argument with real facts and projections, put the question to the American people , then it’s a societal decision. He didn’t create the virus. Lying about the implications though, that’s entirely different.
I believe for some its a psychological coping mechanism designed to hide the reality of the situation by living in a make believe world which they get to set the rules and boundaries
I agree with most of this. As you've seen, I've been on the "this is very dangerous" train for a long time, and have never minimized the seriousness, despite being an obvious right winger. As I've told fellow Republicans, "You can still be a good right winger and take this seriously at the same time."My bad. It’s over 61k now. The reason for this post was I saw this video making the rounds a few days ago. Two Bakersfield quacks who run urgent cares comparing the death rates for the flu to this thing. Typical Facebook retard nonsense. I ignored it even though it was being gobbled up. I’m sure these guys have some financial incentive for misleading people and comparing yearly rates to something that’s been around in any real numbers for six weeks.
https://banned.video/watch?id=5ea4994ea881fd00808e95ad
I didn’t care until I saw them on Fox News spouting the same garbage to a much larger audience.
Arguments about the cost to the economy v human life are fair arguments. I don’t consider anyone Mengele for questioning our approach and if what we are doing is worth the cost. That’s pragmatism.
This continued drumbeat of false equivalencies that I see coming out of right wing media is why they’ll always own this virus here in the US and many of the deaths. Make an honest survival of the fittest argument based on actual facts. Explain the societal costs of a down economy for a prolonged period of time. Quit lying about the cost of the virus though.
It’s so fucking disingenuous and it’s been constant since this thing has arrived from Trump on down through his media machine. Always lying and minimizing. It’s going to blow up right in their face come election time if we are sitting at 250k dead.
If you make a true argument with real facts and projections, put the question to the American people , then it’s a societal decision. He didn’t create the virus. Lying about the implications though, that’s entirely different.
Unfortunately, there's a mix of conspiratards, freedomtards, Trump fanatics who think the mainstream media and Democrats are exaggerating this in order to harm Trump.
I think the proper solution -- one which will always have some kind of cost -- is to carefully open the economy in phases, wait 3 weeks each time, and see what happens after each one. If things don't get much worse, move to the next phase. If they do get worse, either hold at that phase or dial it back.
The "open everything" people do have one fair point -- that there may not ever be a vaccine or super-effective treatment, nor does there seem to be one just over the horizon -- so we are just shooting ourselves in the foot by being overly restrictive at this point, especially since the hospital and ventilator capacity seems to be sufficient now.
For the most part, I am not thrilled with how my party is handling this. At the same time, a lot of Democrats are also completely out in the weeds, with some advocating long-term shutdowns and large payments to every family, which would cause hyperinflation beyond belief. And then there's the whole #cancelrent bullshit. Just a lot of lunacy coming from both sides, to be honest.
I would like to see a good projection model, though, because I believe all of them are shit.
Like there was a recent University of Washington projection which says that 66-73k people will die from this by August 4. Total. What?? They made that projection on a day when 59k had already been confirmed dead.
I'm feeling like the total number is going to be 300k, and it wouldn't surprise me if it ends up over a million, if we can't get a handle it for a long time.
I believe for some its a psychological coping mechanism designed to hide the reality of the situation by living in a make believe world which they get to set the rules and boundaries
Just say we are going to lose half a million people and possibly your mom or dad. Would you prefer to go to the gym and fuck twinks or spare your parents? I have you down for option 1 as a -500 favorite. That assumes your parents are still with us. -10000 if they have met an early death.
some good news
Dr. Fauci Praises Remdesivir Success in Treating Coronavirus: ‘Quite Good News’
https://www.mediaite.com/news/dr-ant...g-coronavirus/
"Fauci went on to claim that the Safety Monitoring Board notified him 'that the data shows that Remdesivir has a clear-cut, significant positive effect in diminishing the time to recovery.'"
apparently the drug caused a 31% improvement in terms of recovery time in an actual legit randomized placebo-controlled trial
jesus has the wheel tho.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
Well were just talking about my mom and I would stay indoors the rest of the year if it was necessary. However, I could do option 1 and my mom would still be ok staying at home, walking around with masks, washing hands etc. However, if you asked old people if they want to spend their last years doing this or just living the last years they have left on Earth to the fullest. My mom went through 2 WTC terrorist attacks and having to raise me. I think she deserve to take her chances if she wants to.
Just say we are going to lose half a million people and possibly your mom or dad. Would you prefer to go to the gym and fuck twinks or spare your parents? I have you down for option 1 as a -500 favorite. That assumes your parents are still with us. -10000 if they have met an early death.
Honestly I trust yours and my guess as much as any model. How can you model anything when testing has been so sporadic? We are still getting 23k-30k new cases a day. My gut says testing is easier to come by than three weeks ago which means more less severe cases than when every positive was an ER case.
That’s just what I see locally I’m guessing we will see deaths of like 1k a day in a few weeks but I’m just guessing. I said 70k deaths heading into summer earlier, but after seeing another over 2k day today, I think I’m low. Either way, so much depends on summer having some effect and whether they send kids back to school in fall. If they do, it will be carnage. That’s always the sickest time right when they go back here in the Midwest.
Kids go back and are sick two weeks later with something. I think common sense is anywhere from 200k-500k if kids go back and whether that peak hits in the calendar year and if it’s a cool fall and a bunch of other factors. More than 500k if you do March to March almost certainly barring a miracle drug.
https://twitter.com/twt/status/1255643254579658754
we totally engineered this shit didnt we.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
Hurry the fuck up, super scientists! Smaller/independent truckers are getting decimated out here!
A third of small fleets shut down as COVID-19 guts freight market
https://www.overdriveonline.com/smal...reight-market/
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Gotta get out there and live work fuck shit and lose some or we will lose all.
Our founding fathers would be embarrassed of this time.
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Kushner calls US coronavirus response a 'success story'My bad. It’s over 61k now. The reason for this post was I saw this video making the rounds a few days ago. Two Bakersfield quacks who run urgent cares comparing the death rates for the flu to this thing. Typical Facebook retard nonsense. I ignored it even though it was being gobbled up. I’m sure these guys have some financial incentive for misleading people and comparing yearly rates to something that’s been around in any real numbers for six weeks.
https://banned.video/watch?id=5ea4994ea881fd00808e95ad
I didn’t care until I saw them on Fox News spouting the same garbage to a much larger audience.
Arguments about the cost to the economy v human life are fair arguments. I don’t consider anyone Mengele for questioning our approach and if what we are doing is worth the cost. That’s pragmatism.
This continued drumbeat of false equivalencies that I see coming out of right wing media is why they’ll always own this virus here in the US and many of the deaths. Make an honest survival of the fittest argument based on actual facts. Explain the societal costs of a down economy for a prolonged period of time. Quit lying about the cost of the virus though.
It’s so fucking disingenuous and it’s been constant since this thing has arrived from Trump on down through his media machine. Always lying and minimizing. It’s going to blow up right in their face come election time if we are sitting at 250k dead.
If you make a true argument with real facts and projections, put the question to the American people , then it’s a societal decision. He didn’t create the virus. Lying about the implications though, that’s entirely different.
He is a bad as trump almost.
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You don’t know what you are fucking talking about. The “founding fathers” were well versed in the practice of using quarantines to stem the spread of infectious diseases.
https://tullyhistoricalsociety.org/tahs/medical.php
Here’s a passage about one particular contagious disease that the authorities in the colonies, and later the early US used quarantines to eliminate from the resident population.
Yellow Fever
John Duffy calls it a "strange and unaccountable pestilence that brought death in a horrible fashion to its victims". Known also as "Bilious Plague" and "Black Vomit" it was transmitted by mosquitoes and often arrived from the West Indies. The mosquitoes are thought to have survived in buckets or containers of stagnant water on board ship; and once the mosquitoes hit port cities with temperate climates-like Charleston-the yellow fever quickly spread. The virus transmitted by the mosquitoes had a quick on set and left its victims tired, feverish, jaundiced, and they often would hemorrhage. Duffy says it "was one of the most dreaded diseases in the affected regions [and had it] adapted itself to all areas in the British American colonies, yellow fever would undoubtedly have ranked with small pox as a leading cause of death". And like malaria, whites were more susceptible to the disease than blacks. Charleston was the hardest-hit, though as evidenced by the following chart, other large port cities suffered epidemics. Most outbreaks started in the tropical West Indies and Bahamas where fatalities were higher than in the American colonies. Between the years of 1760 and 1793, Duffy tells us that yellow fever disappeared from the colonies. He credits this to stronger and better-enforced quarantine laws.
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Care to explain? What is your basis for saying so?
They didn't even know what causes disease and had very few tools for curing them. One thing they did do was quarantine. Would they ever have contemplated how to choose from among the options that we have available now? It would be like asking you to evaluate the options for dealing with a complex scenario described to you in Chinese.
You know what the Founders would have absolutely hated? Trump.
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For the Kushners and the Trumps it is a success story. They got a massive tax cut out of it. (Another one.)Kushner calls US coronavirus response a 'success story'
He is a bad as trump almost.
Two cocksuckers
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the owners of that funeral home should be arrested
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