So coronavirus is definitely going to kill a few of us.

[ErickAA]

Now dogs are getting the rona:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/animal-...t-dog-n1194096

A pug in North Carolina has tested positive for the coronavirus, which may be the first such case for a dog in the U.S.

The dog, Winston, was part of a Duke University study in which a family in Chapel Hill, the McLeans, were tested for the virus.

The mother, the father, the son and the pug tested positive, while the daughter, another dog and a cat tested negative, according to NBC affiliate WRAL of Raleigh.

Dr. Chris Woods, the principal investigator for the Duke study, said Winston may be the first dog in the country to have a confirmed case of the virus.

The virus is a generalist that seems to be able to cause infection in a lot of species. This has been known for awhile. They did some study on stray cats in Wuhan and a significant % of them had antibodies. I haven't heard any stories about dogs or cats getting seriously sick, so maybe the pathology is a lot milder.

Also, it is unknown if humans can catch it from cats/dogs or if it is just the other way around. Sometimes generalists viruses can infect multiple species, but not all species can transmit.

[sonatine]

Now dogs are getting the rona:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/animal-...t-dog-n1194096

The virus is a generalist that seems to be able to cause infection in a lot of species. This has been known for awhile. They did some study on stray cats in Wuhan and a significant % of them had the virus. I haven't heard any stories about dogs or cats getting seriously sick, so maybe the pathology is a lot milder.

Also, it is unknown if humans can catch it from cats/dogs or if it is just the other way around. Sometimes generalists viruses can infect multiple species, but not all species can transmit.

did the dog actually have an infection, or was it simply environmental contamination? because once again we see an article correlating presence of the virus + behavior with infection, and that strikes me as a bit of a leap potentially.

like my big concern with all this from the outset was mosquitos being a transmission vector (its certainly small enough to make the cut) but apparently the blocker there is that if the virus doesnt actually set up a living colony in the mosquito, it cant actually propagate through the usual channels associated with say, west nile. so the whole 'pets are disease vectors' narrative seems like it needs some hard data.

and its frankly insane that we dont have any yet, but whatever moving on.


in other news, 3% of chinese people living near bat caves have coronavirus antibodies, which also lends itself to the species crossover remix theories, but obviously none of them have caused pandemics despite living near those caves for thousands of years, literally.


man i wish we had first world government pandemic response resources.

[ErickAA]

The virus is a generalist that seems to be able to cause infection in a lot of species. This has been known for awhile. They did some study on stray cats in Wuhan and a significant % of them had the virus. I haven't heard any stories about dogs or cats getting seriously sick, so maybe the pathology is a lot milder.

Also, it is unknown if humans can catch it from cats/dogs or if it is just the other way around. Sometimes generalists viruses can infect multiple species, but not all species can transmit.

did the dog actually have an infection, or was it simply environmental contamination? because once again we see an article correlating presence of the virus + behavior with infection, and that strikes me as a bit of a leap potentially.

like my big concern with all this from the outset was mosquitos being a transmission vector (its certainly small enough to make the cut) but apparently the blocker there is that if the virus doesnt actually set up a living colony in the mosquito, it cant actually propagate through the usual channels associated with say, west nile. so the whole 'pets are disease vectors' narrative seems like it needs some hard data.

and its frankly insane that we dont have any yet, but whatever moving on.


in other news, 3% of chinese people living near bat caves have coronavirus antibodies, which also lends itself to the species crossover remix theories, but obviously none of them have caused pandemics despite living near those caves for thousands of years, literally.


man i wish we had first world government pandemic response resources.

There have been quite a few stories coming out of China/Hong Kong of dogs with acute infection, even some with mild respiratory symptoms. Seems legit. And cats aren't going to get antibodies from environmental contamination.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...04.01.021196v1
"SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing serum antibodies in cats: a serological investigation"

-With the people in SW China that have bat coronavirus antibodies, probably the Ro is extremely small human to human (or possibly cannot transmit at all) in the native strains. Gaining the ability to pass human to human easily was clearly a game changing mutation for SARS-COV2.

[JimmyG_415]

LOL, you ever work in a bank?

I'll admit Shake Shack, LA Lakers and Ruth Chris have that.
But to act like every mom and pop shop does, is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

This is actually the stupidest thing I have ever seen posted.

Every small business I know of uses pass-through, either as a LLC or a LLC taxed as an S-Corp.

[splitthis]

Now dogs are getting the rona:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/animal-...t-dog-n1194096

The virus is a generalist that seems to be able to cause infection in a lot of species. This has been known for awhile. They did some study on stray cats in Wuhan and a significant % of them had antibodies. I haven't heard any stories about dogs or cats getting seriously sick, so maybe the pathology is a lot milder.

Also, it is unknown if humans can catch it from cats/dogs or if it is just the other way around. Sometimes generalists viruses can infect multiple species, but not all species can transmit.

My dogs were seriously sick. I take them on walks daily, they love to lick spit off paths and eat discarded chewing gum. I am sure that’s how they got it, then I got a very mild case.

[Walter Sobchak]

Druff, I know that you like to be first to post about fucked up things the government does because of endemic political corruption, but I rushed to post about this story because I was constipated today and spent a bit of time on the john in the truck stop I’m at. Please excuse me for stealing your thunder on this story.

Over 43,000 US millionaires will get ‘stimulus’ averaging $1.6 million each

https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/43k-us...ing-1-6m-each/

 

By Lee Brown April 16, 2020 | 2:39pm

This is actually the stupidest thing I have ever seen posted.

Every small business I know of uses pass-through, either as a LLC or a LLC taxed as an S-Corp.

We clear a million a year, but employ 70 people and our payroll is multiple hundreds of thousands a month. We have a couple options...take PPP or fire about 25% of our staff.

Yes, some people are taking advantage of it but the vast majority of small businesses are more or less non-functional right now, and if we wanted to do the best for the company we would just fire those people. PPP gives us an 8 week window to see where the economy is at going forward.

You absolutely should be getting the assistance. Best wishes for you and your employees to ride this out and props for your commitment to them.

The LA Lakers, Harvard and Ruth's Chris should not be getting this assistance.

[Walter Sobchak]

Trump acting surprised about billionaires ravaging his stimulus package is not getting enough coverage.

He made sure there were a few juicy gifts in there for himself and his family too.

He knows full well, he just thought it could be done without anyone noticing. That's why he tried to nix any oversight of where the money is going. LOL

[simpdog]

PARIS — French researchers are preparing to launch a human trial to test their hypothesis that nicotine can help the body combat the COVID-19 infection.

The trial is a follow-up to a French study, published this month, of public health data which appeared to show that people who smoke are 80% less likely to catch COVID-19 than non-smokers of the same age and sex.



Interesting or bullshit?
There are approximately 120 million smokers in India and 10 million die per year.

[Walter Sobchak]

PARIS — French researchers are preparing to launch a human trial to test their hypothesis that nicotine can help the body combat the COVID-19 infection.

The trial is a follow-up to a French study, published this month, of public health data which appeared to show that people who smoke are 80% less likely to catch COVID-19 than non-smokers of the same age and sex.



Interesting or bullshit?
There are approximately 120 million smokers in India and 10 million die per year.

I thought having lung problems was a risk factor for dying of the virus? It would be astounding if smoking helped.

Link?

[BetCheckBet]

PARIS — French researchers are preparing to launch a human trial to test their hypothesis that nicotine can help the body combat the COVID-19 infection.

The trial is a follow-up to a French study, published this month, of public health data which appeared to show that people who smoke are 80% less likely to catch COVID-19 than non-smokers of the same age and sex.



Interesting or bullshit?
There are approximately 120 million smokers in India and 10 million die per year.

That can’t be right. You are telling me if you are a smoker in India you have a 8 percent chance of dying within a year?

I get I’m playing with the numbers but the smoker to death ratio looks too high.

The ratio is USA is about 1.5 percebt

[BetCheckBet]

PARIS — French researchers are preparing to launch a human trial to test their hypothesis that nicotine can help the body combat the COVID-19 infection.

The trial is a follow-up to a French study, published this month, of public health data which appeared to show that people who smoke are 80% less likely to catch COVID-19 than non-smokers of the same age and sex.



Interesting or bullshit?
There are approximately 120 million smokers in India and 10 million die per year.

I thought having lung problems was a risk factor for dying of the virus? It would be astounding if smoking helped.

Link?

Ya I can’t imagine the benefit of nicotine outweighs all the lung issues and reduce immune system. Something else must be going on.

[simpdog]

PARIS — French researchers are preparing to launch a human trial to test their hypothesis that nicotine can help the body combat the COVID-19 infection.

The trial is a follow-up to a French study, published this month, of public health data which appeared to show that people who smoke are 80% less likely to catch COVID-19 than non-smokers of the same age and sex.



Interesting or bullshit?
There are approximately 120 million smokers in India and 10 million die per year.

I thought having lung problems was a risk factor for dying of the virus? It would be astounding if smoking helped.

Link?

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...promising-data

[BetCheckBet]

Also the original study simply said smokers were under represented in the data set of people with covid 19. I could explain this by fact that smokers less likely to get themselves checked out for persistent cough because they already have one. There are also consistent findings that smokers are less likely to seek out medical assessment for signs of lung cancer.

[BCR]

Also the original study simply said smokers were under represented in the data set of people with covid 19. I could explain this by fact that smokers less likely to get themselves checked out for persistent cough because they already have one. There are also consistent findings that smokers are less likely to seek out medical assessment for signs of lung cancer.

I’ve read a few reports on this as I saw an article on this maybe a week ago.

I read the hospital one in France that likely lead to this study. Not the article linked, but one with tables of admitted and non-admitted patients compared to smoking rates of general population. I’ve read articles out of China where they assumed the larger male death rate was because of smoking and found it wasn’t. The general consensus was the theory that smokers have lower ace 2 enzymes which are the host for the virus.

Both studies were small sample shit. First off. The chance this is big tobacco money cherry picking a few hospitals and funding a study seems the most likely reason for any of this.

Possible caveats. The French hospital was testing a lot of health care workers Who had been exposed. Those skew younger than the main groups targeted. They were saying that a active smokers still tested positive less, but these are people self-reporting their smoking status. I would imagine working in medicine, saying you smoke is not looked at favorably.

Also, ex smokers were over-represented. So that begs the question are these former heavy smokers who had to quit because it caused other morbidities? The highest percentage of smokers are always under 45 in the US. People give it up as they age because they start to suffer the ramifications.

The numbers in the us are Current cigarette smoking was highest among people aged 25–44 years

Nearly 8 of every 100 adults aged 18–24 years (7.8%)
Nearly 17 of every 100 adults aged 25–44 years (16.5%)
About 16 of every 100 adults aged 45–64 years (16.3%)
About 8 of every 100 adults aged 65 years and older (8.4%)

So that over 65 group hit hardest is going to have a lot of former smokers. The charts I saw had a ton of ex-smokers in both the admitted and non-admitted patients. Like over 55%.

I couldn’t get any firm grasp on whether it was bullshit or not. Most likely it seemed tobacco money trying to obscure data as I assume cigarette sales have plummeted during a respiratory disease.

If there is anything to it, it’s going to be that active smokers have less of the ace 2 enzyme I’d guess. It’s also possible there is something to it yet the patch trial doesn’t show anything. They surmised it’s possible that it isn’t the nicotine. Cigarettes have a gazillion chemicals in them.

Either way, would be silly to start smoking. That risk outweighs any risk this presents. It also increases all the morbidities associated with much higher risk. If anything is to it, it would be to give people a patch or something at onset.

Seems far fetched all around. Smokers are putting hand to mouth more. Have far higher incidence of the super high risk factors. I am going to guess even if there is something to it that it isn’t replicated in patch study.

[sonatine]

nicotine is something of an antiseptic iirc. so theres that.

[JimmyG_415]

I don't know which of the thread this story was on, but I know Druff was 'following this story closely'

Let me guess, the guy that told you they weren't Trump fans, is also the guy who told you the fact that Seth Rich
sent those emails 4 days after he died, doesn't discredit the entire story.

Also, why would anyone who doesn't watch Fox news, try it???? That doesn't pass the smell test.
Every story I've seen has been discrediting it. I don't get why you guys stick w/that RW bullshit.


Police say death of Arizona man is not being investigated as a homicide
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...icide-n1195591

A Mesa Police spokesman refuted reports circulating in conservative media outlets, calling them "inaccurate."

[BCR]

nicotine is something of an antiseptic iirc. so theres that.

I know they’ve found that anything burning kills bacteria in the air. Who knows? Maybe the heat kills the virus, in which case it won’t be replicable in a nicotine patch study. If it’s replicable in patch study, it’s going to have to do with lowered ace 2 enzymes I think, and that would be promising. No harm to putting a patch on people for a few weeks. I would bet even if it makes you 80% less likely to catch it, It’s only been a few months really. So assuming even if your odds have been 80% less to this point, the odds still aren’t with you never getting it if this thing hangs around for a few years. If you get it, I can’t imagine having lungs in bad shape helps at that point.

Edit- posting on phone. Typos galore

[BCR]

Also as I continue to see people compare this to the flu, not here except for a few trolls, but in right-wing media, remember we crossed 100 deaths on Saint Patrick’s day. We crossed 60k today, on April 29th. Find me any six week sample where seasonal flu ever killed 60k people.

[Dan Druff]

PARIS — French researchers are preparing to launch a human trial to test their hypothesis that nicotine can help the body combat the COVID-19 infection.

The trial is a follow-up to a French study, published this month, of public health data which appeared to show that people who smoke are 80% less likely to catch COVID-19 than non-smokers of the same age and sex.



Interesting or bullshit?
There are approximately 120 million smokers in India and 10 million die per year.

2020: The year we realize that smoking is healthy, and a big city without much public transportation is a good thing.

[Dan Druff]

I don't know which of the thread this story was on, but I know Druff was 'following this story closely'

Let me guess, the guy that told you they weren't Trump fans, is also the guy who told you the fact that Seth Rich
sent those emails 4 days after he died, doesn't discredit the entire story.

Also, why would anyone who doesn't watch Fox news, try it???? That doesn't pass the smell test.
Every story I've seen has been discrediting it. I don't get why you guys stick w/that RW bullshit.


Police say death of Arizona man is not being investigated as a homicide
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...icide-n1195591

A Mesa Police spokesman refuted reports circulating in conservative media outlets, calling them "inaccurate."

This is an idiotic article.

The police rarely show their full hand until they have to. They aren't saying they concluded it's an accidental death. They're saying it's not yet "being investigated as a homicide", but conceded that the investigation is still "active". So basically the police are saying they haven't drawn any conclusions yet, which of course is meaningless.

The second half of the article goes on to bash Trump, yet doesn't make one mention of the fact that the woman was a lifelong, Trump-hating Democrat. Absolutely terrible journalism, but it's not surprising that you're eating it up, Jimmy boy.