So now the guy who killed himself with the fishtank cleaner supposedly because of Trump; we find out he was not only a Democrat, but an engineer. This narrative smelled like BS from the beginning, and it is just getting worse and worse.
Looks like the MSM has hoodwinked y'all again. I am sure there is a disinfectant story coming down the pipe any minute now, and you all are just eagerly waiting to lap it all up.
Whew. Now that this has been cleared up, everything Trump says seems completely normal and helpful.Originally Posted by verminaard
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Ya, social distancing results in fewer deaths in all sorts of categories. Do you really need that explained?Average deaths are down ... you are a stupid fuck
How much mainstream coverage have we even seen about the fact hat his wife hated Trump and was part of a "anti-Trump, pro-science" Facebook group?
They initially branded her as a Trump supporter who blindly followed his medical advice, and her comments seemed to back that up. Now that she was found to be full of shit, they are just ignoring the story, or are just repeating the old untrue form of it.
They're basically terrified to report anything which makes him look less bad. It's a very sad state of affairs.
There's actually a lot more to the story. I don't think that guy knew what he was taking, and it's possible his wife purposefully killed him.How much mainstream coverage have we even seen about the fact hat his wife hated Trump and was part of a "anti-Trump, pro-science" Facebook group?
They initially branded her as a Trump supporter who blindly followed his medical advice, and her comments seemed to back that up. Now that she was found to be full of shit, they are just ignoring the story, or are just repeating the old untrue form of it.
They're basically terrified to report anything which makes him look less bad. It's a very sad state of affairs.
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2...aner-chilling/
Right. So social distancing works and shutting everything down was the right thing to do.Average deaths are down ... you are a stupid fuck
You asked if anyone had died. The answer is yes. You are one gigantic fucking retard.
Why is it that the biggest idiots on this forum are the ones calling everyone else stupid?
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Not nearly as sad as the fact that a dangerously incompetent corrupt mentally ill narcissist megalomaniac rapist is the president.How much mainstream coverage have we even seen about the fact hat his wife hated Trump and was part of a "anti-Trump, pro-science" Facebook group?
They initially branded her as a Trump supporter who blindly followed his medical advice, and her comments seemed to back that up. Now that she was found to be full of shit, they are just ignoring the story, or are just repeating the old untrue form of it.
They're basically terrified to report anything which makes him look less bad. It's a very sad state of affairs.
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Instead of asking your doctor for medical advice.
Just ask Donald Trump because you know he's like a very smart person.
Oh yes, I've been following it.There's actually a lot more to the story. I don't think that guy knew what he was taking, and it's possible his wife purposefully killed him.
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2...aner-chilling/
That's why it's reprehensible that the mainstream media which repeatedly reported this story is now silent on the further updates, because it will ruin their "dumb Trump supporters listened to dumb Trump advice and one of them died" narrative.
So they're just pretending this updated information doesn't exist, and in fact still sometimes repeating that people listened to Trump and died attempting to self-medicate.
Sad!
Social distancing is only slowing the spread so hospitals could ramp up. It’s time to release restrictions and rolllll. We are all gonna get it, some gonna die. We all cannot hibernate any longer, otherwise what is outside the hole is much worse than the virus.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
Ronald Reagan
Oh and verminaard is FPS’s brother or lover, haven’t discerned that yet.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
Ronald Reagan
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1. The divergence between the flying stock market and the dying economy is so extreme it is leaving many analysts scrambling for explanations. The recent string of economic data releases reflecting life under global coronavirus lockdowns has been even grimmer than expected, spurring the IMF this week to forecast the biggest global recession since the 1930s’ Great Depression. Some investors are in awe at the scale of the shock. “We really are in uncharted territory,” said Liz Ann Sonders, chief investment strategist at Charles Schwab. “We have a monster mash-up of the Great Depression in size, the crash of 1987 in speed, and 9-11 attack in terms of fear.” And yet, stock markets have been on a tear for a month. What was once dismissed as a mere “bear market rally” — often strong but ultimately doomed bounces that can occur in the middle of severe downturns — has now turned into a 23 per cent jump for global stocks. Technically, that qualifies as a new bull market. (via Financial Times)
2. Mohamed El-Erian, the longtime co-chief investment officer at Pimco, the world’s biggest bond fund: "This is much bigger than 2008. 2008 was a massive heart attack that happened suddenly to the financial markets. You could identify the problem and apply emergency remedies and revive the patient quickly. This is not just a financial stop. This is infection all over the body, damage to virtually every limb and organ. The body was already so fragile. Those of us who have had the privilege of studying failed states have seen this before, but never in a big country like the United States, let alone a global economy." This quote is from a lengthy "Dept. of Finance" piece by Nick Paumgarten. Read the whole thing. (via The New Yorker)
3. One month ago when the country went into lockdown to prepare for the first wave of coronavirus cases, many doctors felt confident they knew what they were dealing with. Based on early reports, covid-19 appeared to be a standard variety respiratory virus, albeit a contagious and lethal one with no vaccine and no treatment. They’ve since seen how Covid-19 attacks not only the lungs, but also the kidneys, heart, intestines, liver and brain. Increasingly, doctors also are reporting bizarre, unsettling cases that don’t seem to follow any of the textbooks they’ve trained on. They describe patients with startlingly low oxygen levels — so low that they would normally be unconscious or near death — talking and swiping on their phones. Asymptomatic pregnant women suddenly in cardiac arrest. Patients who by all conventional measures seem to have mild disease deteriorating within minutes and dying at home. With no clear patterns in terms of age or chronic conditions, some scientists hypothesize that at least some of these abnormalities may be explained by severe changes in patients’ blood (via The Washington Post)
4. Reports of strokes in the young and middle-aged are the latest twist in our evolving understanding of its connected disease, Covid-19. Even as the virus has infected nearly 2.8 million people worldwide and killed about 195,000 as of Friday, its biological mechanisms continue to elude top scientific minds. Once thought to be a pathogen that primarily attacks the lungs, it has turned out to be a much more formidable foe — impacting nearly every major organ system in the body. Until recently, there was little hard data on strokes and Covid-19. Now for the first time, three large U.S. medical centers are preparing to publish data on the stroke phenomenon. The numbers are small, only a few dozen per location, but they provide new insights into what the virus does to our bodies. Read the whole thing. (via The Washington Post)
5. From The Atlantic: “There’s a big difference in how people handle this virus,” says Robert Murphy, a professor of medicine and the director of the Center for Global Communicable Diseases at Northwestern University. “It’s very unusual. None of this variability really fits with any other diseases we’re used to dealing with.” This degree of uncertainty has less to do with the virus itself than how our bodies respond to it. As Murphy puts it, when doctors see this sort of variation in disease severity, “that’s not the virus; that’s the host.” Since the beginning of the pandemic, people around the world have heard the message that older and chronically ill people are most likely to die from COVID-19. But that is far from a complete picture of who is at risk of life-threatening disease. Understanding exactly how and why some people get so sick while others feel almost nothing will be the key to treatment. (via The Atlantic)
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6. One of the Nobel laureates responsible for discovering HIV has turned heads with a recent claim that the novel coronavirus was created by scientists, possibly in the process of seeking an AIDS vaccine. While support for Luc Montagnier's view is almost nonexistent in the scientific community, its existence underscores how little the world knows about the pathogen behind the global pandemic. The French virologist's assertion added to the charged debate over the origin of the virus, with U.S. officials suggesting that it had escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the first cases appeared. In an interview last week, the French virologist cited a paper by mathematician Jean-Claude Perez, in which Montagnier himself is thanked in the acknowledgments. The paper purports to show that within a narrow section of the genome of the new coronavirus, six fragments of genetic information from HIV were found. The presence of HIV-related elements in such a small fraction -- less than 1% -- of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, suggests that these could not have been inserted naturally, Perez and Montagnier argue. The virus must have been artificially engineered, they say. (via Nikkei Asian Review)
I highly doubt the Chinese intentionally engineered this for global disruption. They truly have, and will have, the most to lose. Countries now are going to re-trench and just make products domestically so the Chinese economy is going to get crushed, look for more Tiananmen Square slaughters.
Lord Sonatine was correct in his January post, it was sloppy work by a lab researching a virus they leaked. To be fair to the Wuhan, this virus was probably going to get out eventually anyway. It's not like that batflu was going to stay contained forever.
fun fact; no evidence that infection / recovery will prevent reinfection.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...204v1.full.pdf
Pretty interesting study that compares 2 different POC devices to instantly measure COVID from saliva. A vaccine isn't coming anytime soon (if ever). And PCR based detection technologies just aren't very practical to be widely disseminated through the populace, for various reasons.
The is really the kind of technological breakthrough we need to change the paradigms of the game.
What kind of evidence where you expecting? You can't really prove a negative like that without a controlled experiment, which we couldn't ever do for ethical reasons. Either people will get reinfected or they won't. And even if noone does, that still doesn't "prove" they can't.
I think if people were at risk of reinfections that involved significant morbidity/mortality, we would have actual documented reports of many instances of such by now, especially out of China. The fact we haven't leans heavily to the hypothesis there is some level of immunity. But it isn't proof.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/has-cor...te-11587816001
note that every week we see another story break that pushes the timeline further back towards what i suggested; west coast infections starting around late november.
i expect the reason why all this is coming from civilian resources is once people understand that team retard knew this was popping up within our borders near thanksgiving but fired the people responsible for clocking it as a threat, things are going to get real fuckin complicated for the right wing.
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"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
Maybe you can't handle the truth.
The United States will lose over 40% of the economy.
27 million people will be unemployed.
One of the Chinese Communist Party goals has been achieved. Wipe out the United States and their allies economies.
It looks like they took the SARS virus from years ago, re-engineered it to make it more deadly and made a new synthetic virus.
The wet market is Wuhan does not even sell bats.
China shut it down and cleaned all evidence, maybe actually to make sure that no one could tell that there was no evidence of any virus originating from there.
China has been blocking the truth about the number of infected and deaths since last December.
It is very clear that China does not want the truth about this virus to be released.
China will soon be the number one economy on the planet. Permanent economic harm and major death of citizens has been done to the U.S. U.K., Italy, Spain and a number of other countries.
Everything is still under investigation.
Maybe in the next few months, they will find people who will collaborate conclusive evidence that the Chinese Communist Party was behind this criminal activity, which is also an act of war.
Blame the Chinese Communist Party for the coronavirus crisis
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/2940486001/
Coronavirus crisis proves communism is still a grave threat to the entire world. If Beijing had just been honest, the pandemic could be preventable.
As the coronavirus pandemic sweeps the globe, one fact is increasingly clear: The Chinese Communist Party caused this crisis.
From the moment the coronavirus emerged in central China, Beijing has acted in a way that made a pandemic possible and then inevitable. It covered up what was happening in Wuhan. It silenced whistleblowers who sought to warn the world. It stole medical supplies from other countries, even while claiming the sickness was no big deal.
At every stage, the Chinese Communist Party has lied. Now at least 50,000 people have died. And the number is growing by the minute.
Beijing’s culpability is the result of its oppression — its “socialism with Chinese characteristics.” The only way to stop a spreading sickness is to spread information even faster, giving people and countries the facts and the time to prevent a pandemic. China’s rulers made that impossible. Starting in December, communist authorities cracked down on anyone talking about the coronavirus.
China's censorship
When a brave doctor warned his peers online, he was summoned by police in the middle of the night and forced to write a “self-criticism” — a classic communist method of silencing dissenters that forces them to confess supposed crimes. When Chinese journalists wrote about the sickness, their work was censored. When average citizens took to social media to share the facts, they were silenced. Beijing did everything in its power to prevent the outside world from figuring out what was really going on.
The truth was terrifying, although largely unknown beyond China’s borders. U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that China systematically hid the real number of sick people, as well as the number of deaths. Sure enough, in mid-January, Beijing still claimed that only a few dozen people were infected with the coronavirus. The real totals of people infected and deaths were likely far higher, as my organization was already hearing from dissidents within China.
Beijing’s lies lulled the world into a false sense of security. By concealing the extent of the coronavirus, China caused other countries to assume the situation was under control, or at least that they had more time to prepare. A senior White House official pointed out that Chinese data caused the medical community in the United States to think “this was serious, but smaller than anyone expected… we were missing a significant amount of the data.”
Ultimately, China’s incomplete picture led to insufficient plans in other countries. But Beijing’s omissions and lies didn’t just include the number of infected people. They also covered up the nature of the coronavirus itself. In doing so, Beijing violated international treaty obligations to which China is a signatory, including the International Health Regulations (2005).
If they had just been honest
Beijing denied until January 20th that human to human transmission was occurring. Yet at the same time, Chinese officials and state-owned companies were urgently acquiring bulk medical supplies —especially personal protective equipment like masks and gloves — from Australia, Europe, and around the world. Put simply, Beijing hoarded the world’s life-saving resources while falsely claiming that people’s lives weren’t at risk.
The results have been tragic. China’s actions made other countries less able to contain coronavirus outbreaks. In some cases, those outbreaks were perhaps already underway but unknown, because China lied about the sickness’ spread. By that point, a pandemic was only a matter of time.
Now the world is facing upheaval unseen since the Second World War. Whole countries are shut down. Borders are closed. Economies are unraveling. Governments are mobilizing for an extended struggle. Billions of people are terrified.
But all of this was preventable, if the Chinese Communist Party had just been honest.
If Beijing had allowed doctors in China to raise the alarm and contain the threat, the virus could have been stopped in its tracks.
If Beijing had accurately described how the virus spread, people from New York to New Delhi could have prepared accordingly.
If Beijing had given the real number of infected people and deaths, other countries would have recognized the danger, and taken necessary steps.
But Beijing wasn’t honest. It lied. It is lying still. As a result, more than a million people are sick, and millions could die before the year is out.
Their blood is on the Chinese Communist Party’s hands. If the coronavirus crisis proves anything, it’s that communism — its logic, its brutality, its incompetence — is still a grave threat to the entire world.
The sooner communism is swept into the dustbin of history, the safer we’ll all be.
Did you read the article? All the real evidence it provided was completely against the conspiracy theory the virus was around in November. The UCSF scientist says all the virus variants observed so far in CA can be traced back to China/Europe strains that spread in January. There is no genomic evidence of any strain in California that predates these strains.
i know you cant help being stupid, and im sorry your career didnt work out, but please read my posts before responding or hire someone to do so for you.
i did not mention california.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
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