So coronavirus is definitely going to kill a few of us.

[splitthis]

2 options, let everyone get it quick and move on.
Hibernate and when you peek your head out get it but the world will implode by then.

Let it roll survival of fittest.

[ftpjesus]

Additionally, I am seeing that many people are resigned to the strategy of printing money as our way out of this economic mess.

I am horrified to see this.

Not just as a Jew who has dutifully saved money for all of my adult life, but also as an American who fears for the long term future of this country if we do this.

When has a country ever money-printed its way out of its problems? It leads to hyperinflation, which just compounds the problem, and the entire economic system collapses and remains a complete disaster zone for the long term. At best you escape from it with a major depression.

Laughably, the response to this concern is, "The money is going right back into the economy on goods and services", as if that will prevent hyperinflation from eventually taking hold.

It's not like we don't have countless other examples of countries that have tried this.

It seems that people are already giving up and throwing up their hands, without even considering other possible solutions to hold off economic collapse without resorting to money printing.

Currency markets are in ridiculous mode and have been for a week to say the least.. Some folks are killing it others are getting killed for sure.. On top of the whole Oil crash which has yet to show benefits in some places (which is a separate economic issue between KSA and Russia over production reductions that lead to a F you Im increasing production stunt by the Saudis..) gas prices in some places are down while others inexplicably aren't which is surprising considering the demand has dropped significantly also for fuel with folks staying home etc..

[sonatine]

[JohnCommode]

"If the government wants to prevent a homeless problem from worsening the infection, they should guarantee the rent payments themselves during this time, and then establish some sort of repayment plan for these people on the back-end when this is all over, with zero interest and generous terms. Something like that."-Dan Druff

The only thing that a landlord should be guaranteed right now is that no evictions and no foreclosures will take place. You also will never be made entirely whole by the government but you will still have your building. The details of future back rent payments and back mortgage payments by landlords and homeowners need to be left to when we know what the future of the nation is and how much damage has been done. The only thing that I am certain of is that almost every American will complain that they are bearing a greater proportion of the financial pain than everyone else.

[Dan Druff]

"If the government wants to prevent a homeless problem from worsening the infection, they should guarantee the rent payments themselves during this time, and then establish some sort of repayment plan for these people on the back-end when this is all over, with zero interest and generous terms. Something like that."-Dan Druff

The only thing that a landlord should be guaranteed right now is that no evictions and no foreclosures will take place. You also will never be made entirely whole by the government but you will still have your building. The details of future back rent payments and back mortgage payments by landlords and homeowners need to be left to when we know what the future of the nation is and how much damage has been done. The only thing that I am certain of is that almost every American will complain that they are bearing a greater proportion of the financial pain than everyone else.

What about the landlord who makes his living solely by collecting rent?

Tough luck on him? He starves?

What about the bills he has to pay for utilities, maintenance, ad upkeep during that year nobody is paying rent? Just out of his pocket?

There's a lot more to being a landlord than just avoiding foreclosure.

This is more than people whining "unfair" because the rules aren't quite the same as they were in 2019. This is really placing a huge disproportionate burden upon landlords, with no plan to reimburse them in any way -- either in the present or future.

[sonatine]

"If the government wants to prevent a homeless problem from worsening the infection, they should guarantee the rent payments themselves during this time, and then establish some sort of repayment plan for these people on the back-end when this is all over, with zero interest and generous terms. Something like that."-Dan Druff

The only thing that a landlord should be guaranteed right now is that no evictions and no foreclosures will take place. You also will never be made entirely whole by the government but you will still have your building. The details of future back rent payments and back mortgage payments by landlords and homeowners need to be left to when we know what the future of the nation is and how much damage has been done. The only thing that I am certain of is that almost every American will complain that they are bearing a greater proportion of the financial pain than everyone else.

What about

unbelievable.

[Dan Druff]

What about

unbelievable.

Why unbelievable?

I doubt you'd like it if you were required to get paid zero point zero for your services over the next year, and your only guarantee is that nobody is going to foreclose upon your property.

Very easy to say "Everybody's gotta do their part" when the "everybody" isn't (disproportionately) you.

[Dan Druff]

Honestly the problem is that there's a lot of poorly-conceived, knee-jerk reactions going on right now which sound good until you think about them.

People can't pay rent because they lost their job? Well, we can't have them homeless, so we can't allow them to be evicted. What about the landlords? Can we do anything to ease their pain? Ummm.... no, fuck them, let them starve.

People need money to get by? Well, how about the government sends everyone $2k per month. Wait, we can't afford to do that for more than a few months? Ummm... well, let's just print more money! Wait, that will cause hyperinflation and decimate people who responsibly saved money their whole lives? It will crash the economy for possibly decades to come? It will permanently discourage saving money, thus inducing even more economic crises in the future? Oh well, everyone's gotta sacrifice!

But let's just do what feels good and ignore history and bad things that have happened in other countries because.... well... the appearance of action is better than no action, amirite?

[sonatine]

unbelievable that even now, you cant stray from your jihad against logic. you are like a moth to flames when someone posits a path forward; you take the tiniest, most inconsequential arguments against and present them as evidence that ostensibly negates the entire premise as if it somehow bolsters your brand as 'the smart voice in the room'.

its as if youve somehow metastasized the cult of fox news into an online personality.

we're in a thread about a pandemic thats shut down our country, destroyed the 2 most powerful economies on the planet, and is predicted to kill thousands and thousands of people AND YOURE ADVOCATING FOR LANDLORD RIGHTS.

READ THE FUCKING ROOM. OR BETTER STILL, START THE "CORONAVIRUS THREAD FOR SOCIOPATHS" AND SANDBOX YOUR NONSENSE THERE.

[sonatine]

Feeling sick on Friday, Rachael Willingham went to the doctor, who gave her an order for the new coronavirus test and sent her to a mobile clinic the Colorado health department had set up.

When she arrived at 9:45 a.m. , a half-dozen police officers were blocking the entrance. She returned to the clinic that afternoon, but was told testing was over for the day.

Ms. Willingham called a number for the state health department and was told to come back Saturday at noon. She did, only to find testing had been moved to the Denver Coliseum . When she got to the stadium, she waited in a line of hundreds of cars for almost two hours, only to be turned away again with no explanation.

"It's making this worse," the 29-year-old said of the confusion over testing. "It's contributing greatly to the sense of fear."

As cases of Covid-19 have exploded across the U.S., state and local governments are taking on the task of testing for the coronavirus that causes it -- and they have been quickly overwhelmed. Slowed by equipment shortages and struggling to keep pace, officials have set up a chaotic patchwork of testing sites, with access varying wildly from one place to another. Now some states and counties are pulling back, using their limited resources to test only the most vulnerable.

Testing is critical for infected people to get the treatment they need and for health officials to accurately track the spread of the coronavirus. But it has proceeded far slower than experts say is necessary, in part due to a slow federal response.

That reality is playing out daily across the country, as Americans try but often fail to get help from their local governments.

The Colorado health department has moved the mobile testing clinic in Denver that Ms. Willingham attempted to access to the tiny mountain town of Telluride, six hours away. Officials said they had no plans to reopen one in Denver and have pivoted to targeted testing of the most vulnerable individuals there. The state can process about 250 tests a day, but a backlog means results take as many as five days, a health department spokesperson said.
After initially offering widespread testing, Minnesota officials retrenched Tuesday, limiting testing to health-care workers, inpatients at hospitals and people in group living facilities.

Kris Ehresmann , commissioner of the Minnesota health department, said high demand made testing everyone who might be infected impossible. "Reserving these laboratory tests for the sickest individuals is the right thing to do," she said.

On Wednesday, South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem said its state lab was forced to temporarily stop processing tests because it ran out of the necessary supplies.

Ms. Noem said they have been trying for weeks to get more of the chemicals used to process the tests from suppliers and had asked Vice President Mike Pence to help.

When the coronavirus first hit the U.S., all tests were initially sent to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention , which was slow to make them available. As cases surged earlier this month, the federal government began allowing state and local authorities, as well as private companies, to conduct the tests themselves, hoping to speed the process.

But local rollouts have been slowed by a cascade of problems. Many areas lack enough test kits. Some are short on protective gear that providers need to conduct the tests. And the volume of people trying to get tested has become a logistical nightmare.

Anxious for help as cases rise, states including Minnesota and New Mexico have called on the federal government and manufacturers for assistance obtaining supplies such as personal protective equipment and testing devices.

The Trump administration, meanwhile, has said it is shifting its strategy for containing the outbreak away from testing and toward social distancing.
The Department of Health and Human Services didn't immediately respond to a request for comment. Federal health officials have said in congressional testimony that they are aware there are possible shortages of chemicals used in the tests. They have said they have ramped up the deployment of test kits to states and are supporting efforts for more drive-through tests.

In Ojai, Calif. , north of Los Angeles , Colleen Byrum tried in vain last week to get a test after she began running a 103 degree fever. At first, the 61- year-old was told by a receptionist who picked up the phone at Ojai Valley Community Hospital to come to the emergency parking lot for a test, she said. But when she arrived, she was told that wasn't possible and she should see her doctor Monday.

Upset, Ms. Byrum called the emergency room back and was given a number for the CDC, which went to a recorded message telling her to call back Monday. After calling the ER again, she was given the number to the county infectious-disease response team, which also led to a voice message. The ER finally told her she didn't meet the criteria to get tested because she hadn't traveled to China , been on a cruise ship or been in contact with someone known to have the coronavirus infection. Finally, she was able to reach another local doctor, who said there weren't enough testing kits to go around.

"It's hard to advocate for yourself when you're sick. It is not only physically exertional, it is emotionally exertional," she said.

In some states, officials say capacity is improving and anyone who is sick should be able to get tested.

This week, New York City officials said their own testing capacity would be at 5,000 samples per day by Thursday, and Gov. Andrew Cuomo said the state would test 6,000 samples per day as well.

But even private labs, which states are turning to for help, are struggling to catch up.

FoundCare, a drive-through testing site in Palm Beach County , one of the hardest-hit areas in Florida , had been collecting samples for days when it abruptly stopped.

A FoundCare employee who answered the phone said the clinic was no longer accepting appointments because of the "high volume of calls and no supply" of the tests.


just a quick reminder that our government is a fucking joke and these daily pressers where trump talks about how great this is being handled while half the people on stage with him are evangelical christians who absolutely believe they are going to heaven if its gods will that they die = pure kabuki theater.

[MrTickle]

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[MrTickle]

which sound good until you think about them

Why has your new catchphrase become "sound good until you think about them"? You've said it hundreds of times on the radio in the last 6 months. It's incredibly tilting.

Translation - "If you're dumb (like you) you think this is good, but if you're intelligent (like me) you realise its a bad idea"

[MrTickle]

"If the government wants to prevent a homeless problem from worsening the infection, they should guarantee the rent payments themselves during this time, and then establish some sort of repayment plan for these people on the back-end when this is all over, with zero interest and generous terms. Something like that."-Dan Druff

The only thing that a landlord should be guaranteed right now is that no evictions and no foreclosures will take place. You also will never be made entirely whole by the government but you will still have your building. The details of future back rent payments and back mortgage payments by landlords and homeowners need to be left to when we know what the future of the nation is and how much damage has been done. The only thing that I am certain of is that almost every American will complain that they are bearing a greater proportion of the financial pain than everyone else.

What about the landlord who makes his living solely by collecting rent?

Tough luck on him? He starves?

What about the bills he has to pay for utilities, maintenance, ad upkeep during that year nobody is paying rent? Just out of his pocket?

There's a lot more to being a landlord than just avoiding foreclosure.

This is more than people whining "unfair" because the rules aren't quite the same as they were in 2019. This is really placing a huge disproportionate burden upon landlords, with no plan to reimburse them in any way -- either in the present or future.

First off, this is a terrible situation for everyone. I support postponing mortagage and rent payments for everyone.

But for landlords? Fuck them. They own a least one property - likely two, unless they rent the one they live in. The renter is probably living paycheck-to-paycheck. Tenants should ABSOLUTELY be the priority. If a landlord doesnt get rent for a month, they still own properties. If a tenant doesnt get to pay rent, they're gonna be homeless. It's a massive difference.

If the landlord can't afford food - what do we do then? I support saying what do you Republicans say. "You should have gotten a job and saved up some money! You've been irresposible and wasting money on stuff like avocado toast and the latest iPhone! Everyone should have 3 months of emergency funds saved up!"

Yeah, have a taste of your own medicine. Landlords are parasites.

[sonatine]

quick reminder; trump took $158 million from FEMA's budget to target 'illegal immigrants'.

[Tellafriend]

You can always ask but being opportunistic for the sake of being opportunistic is weak. If you lost your job, became sick, etc it’s one thing, but this isn’t that.

who tf made you the arbiter of moralism? you’re even slimier than step.

Wow, hard to believe a Drakkar drenched Persian living off his parents has no moral qualm with taking advantage of any situation for personal gain.

[GrenadaRoger]

"If the government wants to prevent a homeless problem from worsening the infection, they should guarantee the rent payments themselves during this time, and then establish some sort of repayment plan for these people on the back-end when this is all over, with zero interest and generous terms. Something like that."-Dan Druff

The only thing that a landlord should be guaranteed right now is that no evictions and no foreclosures will take place. You also will never be made entirely whole by the government but you will still have your building. The details of future back rent payments and back mortgage payments by landlords and homeowners need to be left to when we know what the future of the nation is and how much damage has been done. The only thing that I am certain of is that almost every American will complain that they are bearing a greater proportion of the financial pain than everyone else.

What about the landlord who makes his living solely by collecting rent?

Tough luck on him? He starves?

What about the bills he has to pay for utilities, maintenance, ad upkeep during that year nobody is paying rent? Just out of his pocket?

There's a lot more to being a landlord than just avoiding foreclosure.

This is more than people whining "unfair" because the rules aren't quite the same as they were in 2019. This is really placing a huge disproportionate burden upon landlords, with no plan to reimburse them in any way -- either in the present or future.

Druff, the questions you ask all concern financial planning & risk management. A landlord, like any business or individual, ought to have access to funds that will allow him to keep operating for a time until a business downturn ends. The landlord, or business, could have a line of credit he can draw upon. Or like an individual, the landlord could have cash savings equal to several months income. In addition, landlords can and do credit screen and background check renters to further manage risk.

The current panic buying is really another form of risk management. People have revised their risk assessment of being able to get to stores to buy staples needed for living...thus people are increasing their safety stock of those items. The difference is people are risk managing living supplies rather than financial assets.

Back to your issue of fairness to landlords: usually the landlord is capable of foreseeing and managing risk issues, and renters aren't, particularly in the lower tiers of the rent market. It is a messy business to go into, but landlords have chosen to do so despite all of the forseeable problems.

[TheXFactor]

"If the government wants to prevent a homeless problem from worsening the infection, they should guarantee the rent payments themselves during this time, and then establish some sort of repayment plan for these people on the back-end when this is all over, with zero interest and generous terms. Something like that."-Dan Druff

The only thing that a landlord should be guaranteed right now is that no evictions and no foreclosures will take place. You also will never be made entirely whole by the government but you will still have your building. The details of future back rent payments and back mortgage payments by landlords and homeowners need to be left to when we know what the future of the nation is and how much damage has been done. The only thing that I am certain of is that almost every American will complain that they are bearing a greater proportion of the financial pain than everyone else.

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Fuck Landlords.

The only thing they ever did for me is offer not to repair what they are legally liable to fix.

Trick the renter into paying for something they are supposed to repair.

They are going to have to bite the bullet here and give their tenants free rent for at least a couple of months.

Donald Trump to the rescue.

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[Krypt]

sick enterprise filled with degenerates

[OSA]

sick enterprise filled with degenerates

Cant rep anymore. Ok, I agree this is funny

[splitthis]

National guard coming to food banks and hospitals. We need separate toll charts, who dies from corona and who dies from the guard. This isn’t gonna end well. Lolz.