Steven Crowder versus Vox/Carlos Maza

[Dan Druff]

The harassment and doxxing seems very exaggerated. Read the OP.

You have to focus upon what he DOESN'T say or allege, rather than what he's claiming. He does not detail any "harassment" beyond mean messages on the internet. He does not detail any "doxxing" beyond one person sending him the same text from multiple throwaway phone numbers, though he tries to show those texts as proof of all the harassment he's received.

So what has happened to him? A few trolls have sent him mean messages, and he's gotten texts saying "Debate Crowder" from one person?

Big deal.

I get worse "harassment" than that from trolls who listen to my show and read this forum, and I have a small fraction of the audience Maza has.

Maza is being a baby here. He is intentionally controversial and provocative to a large audience, and then wants to blame others for a few trolls bothering him. That comes with the territory. Crowder is correct in that he never encouraged trolls to bother him -- either directly or indirectly.

It also seems that any "harassment" he's received from Crowder fans was simply because Crowder was debunking his videos, and not because of the "lispy queer" insults. Notice that the person texting Maza wasn't saying anything insulting or homophobic, but rather just "Debate Crowder". And even the trolls messaging Maza online with homophobic things (which we were conveniently not shown) would have probably done so anyway, since it's not exactly a secret that he's a flamboyant gay guy. They didn't need Crowder to point that out to them.

Are you saying that a hater who you can’t identify has repeatedly harassed you on your *personal* phone number using spoofed phone numbers? And you didn’t try to take action against anyone you suspected was behind such harassment?

What are you talking about?

If Maza wants to take action against those harassing him in real life, I support that, and even Crowder supports that.

But here Maza is blaming CROWDER for these people supposedly harassing him, which is unfair.

Crowder never called for anyone to harass Maza, and Maza himself is quite controversial without any help from Crowder.

[MumblesBadly]

Are you saying that a hater who you can’t identify has repeatedly harassed you on your *personal* phone number using spoofed phone numbers? And you didn’t try to take action against anyone you suspected was behind such harassment?

What are you talking about?

If Maza wants to take action against those harassing him in real life, I support that, and even Crowder supports that.

But here Maza is blaming CROWDER for these people supposedly harassing him, which is unfair.

Crowder never called for anyone to harass Maza, and Maza himself is quite controversial without any help from Crowder.

The trolls harassing Maza are clearly Crowder fans, not some random gay bashers.

And a public figure like Crowder doesn’t have to specifically say that fans should harass a target of his gay bashing for his repeated gay bashing of another public figure to be inflammatory.

As for Maza being “quite controversial without any help from Crowder”, how come I’ve never heard of him before this incident? And can you point to press stories about Maza’s controversial reputation prior and unrelated to this incident?

[Dan Druff]

What are you talking about?

If Maza wants to take action against those harassing him in real life, I support that, and even Crowder supports that.

But here Maza is blaming CROWDER for these people supposedly harassing him, which is unfair.

Crowder never called for anyone to harass Maza, and Maza himself is quite controversial without any help from Crowder.

The trolls harassing Maza are clearly Crowder fans, not some random gay bashers.

And a public figure like Crowder doesn’t have to specifically say that fans should harass a target of his gay bashing for his repeated gay bashing of another public figure to be inflammatory.

As for Maza being “quite controversial without any help from Crowder”, how come I’ve never heard of him before this incident? And can you point to press stories about Maza’s controversial reputation prior and unrelated to this incident?

Are you not reading this thread?

He has "Tucker Carlson is a white supremacist" in his Twitter bio!

He has called for the "milkshaking" of conservatives in public.

He does a series of videos for Vox bashing conservatives in general.

He worked for "Media Matters" prior to this, which is an organization attempting to pressure sponsors of conservative media to stop doing so. (This is an indirect form of deplatforming, of course.)

Was he world famous? No.

But neither was Crowder.

Just because you hadn't heard of the guy doesn't mean that he wasn't provocative and controversial.

If people were harassing Crowder (even prior to this recent flap), and he were blaming another host for causing it because they made fun of him, I would be equally critical of him.

When you make a living doing a controversial show meant to piss off a certain segment of the population, you can't blame others when this leads to people bothering you. I'm not saying that harassing controversial hosts is right, and I agree that those doing so should be identified and prosecuted, but you can't point the finger at other hosts when you've chosen such a career.

What Crowder did was bring more attention to Maza from conservatives, where otherwise they might not have found him or cared about him.

But that's Crowder's right to do. Maza does a very provocative and controversial public show, and if Crowder wants to make response videos to it, that's his prerogative.

I do not believe that Crowder's "lispy queer" slurs are the reason anyone bothered Maza.

I believe Maza was bothered for two reasons:

1) He makes controversial left-wing videos and statements on social media
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2) Crowder did response videos to him, thus bringing his existence to the attention of Crowder's millions of conservative followers

If Crowder had picked some private gay guy out of the crowd and called him names, thus resulting in harassment, this would be a different story. But that's not what happened here.

[MumblesBadly]

The trolls harassing Maza are clearly Crowder fans, not some random gay bashers.

And a public figure like Crowder doesn’t have to specifically say that fans should harass a target of his gay bashing for his repeated gay bashing of another public figure to be inflammatory.

As for Maza being “quite controversial without any help from Crowder”, how come I’ve never heard of him before this incident? And can you point to press stories about Maza’s controversial reputation prior and unrelated to this incident?

Are you not reading this thread?

He has "Tucker Carlson is a white supremacist" in his Twitter bio!

He has called for the "milkshaking" of conservatives in public.

He does a series of videos for Vox bashing conservatives in general.

He worked for "Media Matters" prior to this, which is an organization attempting to pressure sponsors of conservative media to stop doing so. (This is an indirect form of deplatforming, of course.)

Was he world famous? No.

But neither was Crowder.

Just because you hadn't heard of the guy doesn't mean that he wasn't provocative and controversial.

If people were harassing Crowder (even prior to this recent flap), and he were blaming another host for causing it because they made fun of him, I would be equally critical of him.

When you make a living doing a controversial show meant to piss off a certain segment of the population, you can't blame others when this leads to people bothering you. I'm not saying that harassing controversial hosts is right, and I agree that those doing so should be identified and prosecuted, but you can't point the finger at other hosts when you've chosen such a career.

What Crowder did was bring more attention to Maza from conservatives, where otherwise they might not have found him or cared about him.

But that's Crowder's right to do. Maza does a very provocative and controversial public show, and if Crowder wants to make response videos to it, that's his prerogative.

I do not believe that Crowder's "lispy queer" slurs are the reason anyone bothered Maza.

I believe Maza was bothered for two reasons:

1) He makes controversial left-wing videos and statements on social media
-and-
2) Crowder did response videos to him, thus bringing his existence to the attention of Crowder's millions of conservative followers

If Crowder had picked some private gay guy out of the crowd and called him names, thus resulting in harassment, this would be a different story. But that's not what happened here.

Druff, you seem to be willfully ignorant about how bullying can work. Let me recap it for you as it applies in this case, within the setting of a schoolyard playground given the childish nature of Crowder’s behavior in this case.

1) Alpha Bully picks someone out to make fun of using slurs in mocking verbalizations to amuse his followers.
2) Alpha Bully realizes that mocking slurs are a hit with his followers.
3) Alpha Bully keeps piling on, repeating the mocking slurs to great acclaim by followers.
4) Target of mocking slurs ignores Alpha Bully, as its not worth his time to respond to the verbal insults.
5) Alpha Bully challenges target of mocking slurs to prove he’s ‘man enough’ to stand up to criticism from Alpha Bully.
6) Target of Alpha Bully continues to ignore Alpha Bully’s taunts.
7) Alpha Bully continues challenging target.
8) Target of Alpha Bull still ignores innane taunts and challenge by Alpha Bully.
9) Followers of Alpha Bully, emboldended by repeated taunting by Alpha Bully and non-response by the Target, step in to amplify Alpha Bully’s taunts and challenge.
10) Target of Alpha Bully, now feeling legitimately threatened by the mob behavior of Alpha Bully’s followers, calls for help from the authorities to have Alpha Bully removed from the playground for inciting his minions to harass him using his incessant verbal bullying.
11) When the authorities question Alpha Bully about the matter, he laughingly dismisses the matter as “jist joking, man!” and “I’m not responsible for what others in the playground do to the Target!”

And to put a pin on this example, as well as Crowder’s lack of remorse over his behavior as a public figure with a huge devoted following, has he posted a video apologizing to Maza for being such a bigoted dick, AND asking his followers to stop harassing Maza, as well as to *never* do so with anyone he targets with his “comedy”? “Seriously, folks, it was all meant in good fun. Because as a Christian, and follower of my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, I love everyone as He loved us.”

 

”Even lispy queer Mexicans like that limped-wristed sashaying Carlos Maza!” [His in-studio entourage cracks up laughing.]