Steven Crowder versus Vox/Carlos Maza

[nunbeater]

The hate speech argument is a bad one.

Carlos Maza is a public figure who intentionally engages in highly controversial and provocative speech. He isn't some innocent gay private citizen who Crowder is attacking.

Maza has advocated throwing milkshakes at conservatives in public, has "Tucker Carlson is a white supremacist" in his Twitter bio, has defended Antifa's tactics while acknowledging that they are "sometimes violent", and generally behaved in a manner which is intended to stoke anger and cause controversy.

He has no right to a "hate speech" claim any more than Trump does.

If you throw yourself into the controversial public speech arena -- and if that's how you make your living -- all bets should be off regarding insults, short of anything illegal.

It's absolutely insane that this guy is playing victim, and people are buying it.

This is a piss poor reason to demonetize Crowder's channel.

so if a Jewish gay guy was active in the controversial public speech arena and Crowder was like so check out what this lispy kike queer is saying about me - that would be fine. Because all bets are off regarding insults if that is how you make your living.

[Dan Druff]

The hate speech argument is a bad one.

Carlos Maza is a public figure who intentionally engages in highly controversial and provocative speech. He isn't some innocent gay private citizen who Crowder is attacking.

Maza has advocated throwing milkshakes at conservatives in public, has "Tucker Carlson is a white supremacist" in his Twitter bio, has defended Antifa's tactics while acknowledging that they are "sometimes violent", and generally behaved in a manner which is intended to stoke anger and cause controversy.

He has no right to a "hate speech" claim any more than Trump does.

If you throw yourself into the controversial public speech arena -- and if that's how you make your living -- all bets should be off regarding insults, short of anything illegal.

It's absolutely insane that this guy is playing victim, and people are buying it.

This is a piss poor reason to demonetize Crowder's channel.

so if a Jewish gay guy was active in the controversial public speech arena and Crowder was like so check out what this lispy kike queer is saying about me - that would be fine. Because all bets are off regarding insults if that is how you make your living.

Not sure what point you're making.

I wouldn't want to continue watching Crowder if he referred to a Jewish person as a "kike", but I wouldn't try to get him deplatformed for it.

[MumblesBadly]

so if a Jewish gay guy was active in the controversial public speech arena and Crowder was like so check out what this lispy kike queer is saying about me - that would be fine. Because all bets are off regarding insults if that is how you make your living.

Not sure what point you're making.

I wouldn't want to continue watching Crowder if he referred to a Jewish person as a "kike", but I wouldn't try to get him deplatformed for it.

Druff, Maza didn’t make a stink merely because Crowder was being a vocal bigot, but because his specific incessant targeted of Maza in that manner galvanized legions of his idiotic fans to harass *and* dox him. Me thinks you’d be furious and demanding that YouTube to take action against a YouTube with huge following repeatedly targeted you that way to the point where you were getting barraged by harassing text messages *and* doxed by legions of that YouTuber’s bigoted fans.

[Dan Druff]

Not sure what point you're making.

I wouldn't want to continue watching Crowder if he referred to a Jewish person as a "kike", but I wouldn't try to get him deplatformed for it.

Druff, Maza didn’t make a stink merely because Crowder was being a vocal bigot, but because his specific incessant targeted of Maza in that manner galvanized legions of his idiotic fans to harass *and* dox him. Me thinks you’d be furious and demanding that YouTube to take action against a YouTube with huge following repeatedly targeted you that way to the point where you were getting barraged by harassing text messages *and* doxed by legions of that YouTuber’s bigoted fans.

The harassment and doxxing seems very exaggerated. Read the OP.

You have to focus upon what he DOESN'T say or allege, rather than what he's claiming. He does not detail any "harassment" beyond mean messages on the internet. He does not detail any "doxxing" beyond one person sending him the same text from multiple throwaway phone numbers, though he tries to show those texts as proof of all the harassment he's received.

So what has happened to him? A few trolls have sent him mean messages, and he's gotten texts saying "Debate Crowder" from one person?

Big deal.

I get worse "harassment" than that from trolls who listen to my show and read this forum, and I have a small fraction of the audience Maza has.

Maza is being a baby here. He is intentionally controversial and provocative to a large audience, and then wants to blame others for a few trolls bothering him. That comes with the territory. Crowder is correct in that he never encouraged trolls to bother him -- either directly or indirectly.

It also seems that any "harassment" he's received from Crowder fans was simply because Crowder was debunking his videos, and not because of the "lispy queer" insults. Notice that the person texting Maza wasn't saying anything insulting or homophobic, but rather just "Debate Crowder". And even the trolls messaging Maza online with homophobic things (which we were conveniently not shown) would have probably done so anyway, since it's not exactly a secret that he's a flamboyant gay guy. They didn't need Crowder to point that out to them.

[MumblesBadly]

Druff, Maza didn’t make a stink merely because Crowder was being a vocal bigot, but because his specific incessant targeted of Maza in that manner galvanized legions of his idiotic fans to harass *and* dox him. Me thinks you’d be furious and demanding that YouTube to take action against a YouTube with huge following repeatedly targeted you that way to the point where you were getting barraged by harassing text messages *and* doxed by legions of that YouTuber’s bigoted fans.

The harassment and doxxing seems very exaggerated. Read the OP.

You have to focus upon what he DOESN'T say or allege, rather than what he's claiming. He does not detail any "harassment" beyond mean messages on the internet. He does not detail any "doxxing" beyond one person sending him the same text from multiple throwaway phone numbers, though he tries to show those texts as proof of all the harassment he's received.

So what has happened to him? A few trolls have sent him mean messages, and he's gotten texts saying "Debate Crowder" from one person?

Big deal.

I get worse "harassment" than that from trolls who listen to my show and read this forum, and I have a small fraction of the audience Maza has.

Maza is being a baby here. He is intentionally controversial and provocative to a large audience, and then wants to blame others for a few trolls bothering him. That comes with the territory. Crowder is correct in that he never encouraged trolls to bother him -- either directly or indirectly.

It also seems that any "harassment" he's received from Crowder fans was simply because Crowder was debunking his videos, and not because of the "lispy queer" insults. Notice that the person texting Maza wasn't saying anything insulting or homophobic, but rather just "Debate Crowder". And even the trolls messaging Maza online with homophobic things (which we were conveniently not shown) would have probably done so anyway, since it's not exactly a secret that he's a flamboyant gay guy. They didn't need Crowder to point that out to them.

Are you saying that a hater who you can’t identify has repeatedly harassed you on your *personal* phone number using spoofed phone numbers? And you didn’t try to take action against anyone you suspected was behind such harassment?

[Dan Druff]

The harassment and doxxing seems very exaggerated. Read the OP.

You have to focus upon what he DOESN'T say or allege, rather than what he's claiming. He does not detail any "harassment" beyond mean messages on the internet. He does not detail any "doxxing" beyond one person sending him the same text from multiple throwaway phone numbers, though he tries to show those texts as proof of all the harassment he's received.

So what has happened to him? A few trolls have sent him mean messages, and he's gotten texts saying "Debate Crowder" from one person?

Big deal.

I get worse "harassment" than that from trolls who listen to my show and read this forum, and I have a small fraction of the audience Maza has.

Maza is being a baby here. He is intentionally controversial and provocative to a large audience, and then wants to blame others for a few trolls bothering him. That comes with the territory. Crowder is correct in that he never encouraged trolls to bother him -- either directly or indirectly.

It also seems that any "harassment" he's received from Crowder fans was simply because Crowder was debunking his videos, and not because of the "lispy queer" insults. Notice that the person texting Maza wasn't saying anything insulting or homophobic, but rather just "Debate Crowder". And even the trolls messaging Maza online with homophobic things (which we were conveniently not shown) would have probably done so anyway, since it's not exactly a secret that he's a flamboyant gay guy. They didn't need Crowder to point that out to them.

Are you saying that a hater who you can’t identify has repeatedly harassed you on your *personal* phone number using spoofed phone numbers? And you didn’t try to take action against anyone you suspected was behind such harassment?

What are you talking about?

If Maza wants to take action against those harassing him in real life, I support that, and even Crowder supports that.

But here Maza is blaming CROWDER for these people supposedly harassing him, which is unfair.

Crowder never called for anyone to harass Maza, and Maza himself is quite controversial without any help from Crowder.

[MumblesBadly]

Are you saying that a hater who you can’t identify has repeatedly harassed you on your *personal* phone number using spoofed phone numbers? And you didn’t try to take action against anyone you suspected was behind such harassment?

What are you talking about?

If Maza wants to take action against those harassing him in real life, I support that, and even Crowder supports that.

But here Maza is blaming CROWDER for these people supposedly harassing him, which is unfair.

Crowder never called for anyone to harass Maza, and Maza himself is quite controversial without any help from Crowder.

The trolls harassing Maza are clearly Crowder fans, not some random gay bashers.

And a public figure like Crowder doesn’t have to specifically say that fans should harass a target of his gay bashing for his repeated gay bashing of another public figure to be inflammatory.

As for Maza being “quite controversial without any help from Crowder”, how come I’ve never heard of him before this incident? And can you point to press stories about Maza’s controversial reputation prior and unrelated to this incident?

[Dan Druff]

BUMP

Remember "victim" Carlos Maza, who has since left Vox to start his own communist YouTube channel?

Well, it turns out that this little communist comes from an incredibly rich family, and Mommy and Daddy are bankrolling his current independent venture.

Limousine liberals, y'all!

[MrTickle]

communists are not liberals

read a book

[Dan Druff]

communists are not liberals

read a book

"Limousine liberal" is an American phrase referring to anyone on the left who is rich and hypocritical.

It applies to all forms of leftism, from liberals to communists.

But if you want, I'll call him a limousine communist if it makes you feel better.

[duped_samaritan]

communists are not liberals

read a book

"Limousine liberal" is an American phrase referring to anyone on the left who is rich and hypocritical.

It applies to all forms of leftism, from liberals to communists.

But if you want, I'll call him a limousine communist if it makes you feel better.

You really should read a book about communism though.

[Dan Druff]

Self-hating rich leftists, anyone?

Embedded Tweet

https://twitter.com/twt/status/1227610016716402694

I wonder if Carlos still wants you to "stop taking political advice from the ultra-wealthy".

https://nypost.com/2020/03/07/youtub...ves-in-luxury/

[limitles]

Self-hating rich leftists, anyone?






I wonder if Carlos still wants you to "stop taking political advice from the ultra-wealthy".

I wonder if Steven Crowder has ever performed at a comedy club as a comedian.
If so how's his act? Any new material?
I can't find his tour date schedule anywhere.

Possibly because he's not funny and couldn't sell a regular ticket.