They are overthinking it for sure!
Stick to the basics of looking at what people want out of a site.
People want fair games, fair rake (as fair as it can be), a nice working interface, decent stakes across the board, a site that shows it cares about it's players (Pokerstars pre black friday), and a player pool that has a lot of recs in it. The last one can be hard to obtain but all the others are things you can control.
Nail the basics first and develop a good reputation should be the initial goal.
Don't confuse the hell out of recreational players with these weird ideas because that will scare them off.
I am in love with all of this Phill...
No huds or scripters and a reward system for recs..
Auto seating at cash games...GREAT!!!
Tournament structure,s geared for recs..
GEAR THE WHOLE SITE TOWARDS GETTING AND KEEPING RECS AT THE TABLES..NOTHING ELSE..
It must have an honest feel!!!!!!
Bring!! The rec$!!! AND THE REST!!!! WILL FOLLOW!!!!
ITS NOT MORE COMPLICATED THEN THAT.
love the spirit of the site your trying create..
Hope you take new York.. there is at least one rec here who will deposit and play on day 1...
I saw this video as a recommendation on my youtube sidebar feed and guess Galfond posted the preview of Run It Once Poker nearly two weeks ago.
Not really sure what to think or if I should even care being American who can't play on it but I guess it looks better then some clients out there. His ideas/vision for the site obviously will continue to have strong critique.
I think Phil is a nice guy and is trying hard here. He also definitely has some innovative ideas, and is really attempting to achieve the balance between a site catering to pros and one catering to recs.
Still, I think this whole thing is going to be full of fail.
Galfond was great on the new Joey podcast. He has great ideas (especially in regards to twitch/marketing).
MrTickle is referring to this: https://pokerfuse.com/news/poker-roo...e-run-it-once/
It's a program he calls "streamR".
Basically you qualify for anywhere between 50% and 110% rakeback if you stream Twitch while you play Run It Once. The percentage you get is based upon how many hours your stream is viewed, when you add up all the viewers together:
Level 1: 50% rakeback for 200 hours of watch time
Level 2: 75% rakeback for 1200 hours of watch time
Level 3: 100% rakeback for 8000 hours of watch time
Level 4 (named the “Team RIO” level): 110% rakeback for 20,000 hours of watch time
On the surface, this seems forward-thinking and genius. Twitch streams of online poker have grown in popularity in recent years. They haven't been well monetized for the streamer, however, except when the streamer manages to get enough mainstream popularity to where he gets sponsorships (Jason Somervile is a good example).
So here Galfond is making an offer which will be beneficial for both the Twitch streamer AND Run It Once, as it will basically be free advertising for Galfond's site, and will cost him relatively little. And it will reach the exact target demographic of online poker players! Wow!!!
Of course, within every great innovative promotion are holes which the less scrupulous will exploit.
This one isn't particularly hard to figure out.
Let's say we have two Russian friends, Sergei and Vladmir. Sergei loves the idea of 110% rakeback, but has a rather boring personality, doesn't speak good English, and isn't very good at promoting himself. But wait!! His friend Vladmir is an excellent programmer. Sergei has an idea: "What if I just get Vladmir to make 1000 Twitch bots to watch my stream?" With 1000 viewers, Sergei will hit 20,000 hours of watch time in just 20 hours of streaming. Easy, right?
But wait, there's more!
Once Sergei qualifies for 110% rakeback, he has Vladmir start a channel and pull the same thing. Now Vladmir and Sergei wil BOTH have 110% rakeback.
Now, guess what? All they have to do is play heads up all day and all night with the same bankroll, and the guaranteed cash (in the form of 10% of all rake paid) will roll in, given that they will be earning more in rakeback per hand than rake is paid. In fact, they could even run bots to play each other for many hours at a time.
Perhaps you might say that they would get caught doing this, as it wouldn't be difficult for Galfond's team to detect two guys with 110% rakeback doing nothing but playing heads up against each other.
Okay, say that Sergei and Vladmir have 4 other friends. Say that they all sit in a 6-max game together, perhaps all with bots, and all sharing a bankroll? Same deal. Guaranteed money from Run It Once.
This can and will happen.
And even if it doesn't go as far as people playing each other heads up to exploit the 110% rakeback, at the very least we will have exploitation of Twitch in order to earn the 110% rakeback, and that part is very hard to detect, because Galfond's access to user information on Twitch is very limited.
The software has launched as of today so lets see where it goes.
Has there been any real marketing of this, outside of Galfond's own social media?
What hope do they have of attracting recs to the site?
I'm asking these questions seriously, not sarcastically. I honestly don't know the answer.
That's a very good/serious question everyone should wonder and I don't really know for sure.
I would imagine now that it's launched they will pump money into advertising but until it was online what really is the point to spend until now?
This probably means for a little while the competition will be tough until recs get on there.
I checked a few people randomly on twitch streaming it and it looks the same as that beta video of Galfond playing but I'd imagine they worked out bugs,etc...
From a quick youtube search I found this video of a guy breaking down the rake model:
Been playing a bit. It’s great. Splash the pot is such a cool idea.
If you think you are missing out because you can’t play runitonce.eu, think again. Please see the below listing that I sent to runitonce.
Why I hate runitonce.eu:
- Can’t vary the size of the table window (tilting)
- Suits hard to see (tilting)
- Can’t see the winning hand long enough to digest (very tilting when combined with…)
- No replay feature (extremely tilting especially when…)
- I time out trying to see the hand history (so tilting I say, fuck runitonce)
- Can’t see my stack size when sitting out (tilting)
- Obnoxious chips coming from under the table (obnoxious)
- I’m always in a suit and tie (obnoxious)
- Video seems to step when chips are placed (obnoxious)
But, without a doubt, the most tilting/obnoxious/yougottabekiddingme is the “player’s underlying playing style” feature. You absolutely have to be fucking kidding me. So, you are labeling a player based on a proprietary formula to what???? Reward the lazy player? Look cool? Provide information for some reason? What information is this? So now, I have to look at some stupid avatar, looking deranged or calm or whatever, to consider what my opponent is considering so that I can make a play? God help us all.
Then, I did my research in fairness to runitonce by looking at their known issues. And they know about most of them. So, that makes me wonder if they want a pass just because they are working on the issues? At this time, that is a NO from me.
Hope this helps. (Yes, I know it helps Pokerstars greatly…sorry.)
However, the lack of HUDs and the rakeback are quite good.....
50Cinquanta, thanks for the report.
I'm going to read it on the radio show this week.
Here's two opinions from 2+2, similar to yours:
I don't play PLO and bellow is just my experience from playing NLHE on the site the last few weeks and then stopped a little over a week ago.
I had big hopes for the site and really wanted(ed) it to succeed but I am starting to get pretty indifferent at this point. There isn't anything big about the site or the direction that makes it more reg and poker friendly than other sites. Software is different and more rec friendly than many other sites but for regs I think no screen names and the different visual stuff is very close to net zero and probably slightly negative. For example t's annoying playing 3-4 tables with the same regs and a few recs and having to figure which seat on each table is the same reg. I don't mind HUD-less but full anon is not preferred for me. Ability to change screen name once a day or a week or something would be more ideal for me personally.
Games not filling or stakes not running is also a bit disappointing and it often takes 30min+ to get a game going, and most of the time you get it going it's just 3-4 regs that would beat one stake higher on other sites playing a for like short while unless a weaker reg or recreational reg joins (not many whales like you see on stars or unibet joins). I could stand going through that routine and try to help things get off the ground and play zoom on the side or something, but they charge 5,75% rake with cap as high as the softest sites so the shorthanded reg action is next to unbeatable. I also don't see the site heading in a direction it would be worth sacrificing time and $EV to help them right now. Cut rake or give some other incentive without requiring me to stream and I'd be more incentivized to try to get this thing off the ground.
It's due time for RIO to stop leaning on the community and say: "If everyone were just to show up the games would run". My experience has been that regs have shown up and tried to start tables. Playing shorthanded with massive rake without recs showing up often enough and after a few days and maybe even weeks of that they stop bothering.Source: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=3885Everyone wanted RIO to be some sort of saviour poker site based on the shit people have had with Stars and other sites over the past few years but I really don't see anything that's showing me it's going to be any better. As someone that never participated in the initial testing I must admit I was shocked at the state of the software when it was first released in February given how long this had been in the making. There's just so many features we take for granted such as resizing tables and sitting back in that 3 months later still haven't been fixed.
On top of that I was told as a UK resident I couldn't apply for their StreamR additional rakeback (god knows why) and I also got stung on depositing/withdrawing because the account is in euros and there's no way of depositing in GBP.
I want(ed) this site to work as much as anyone but goodwill will only lasts so long. For me, I never deposited again after I withdrew my balance because of the exchange rate differences, just a personal thing because other sites have no issue in having a GBP account to deposit into when the site is in EUR. For other people, they're probably getting bored of no traffic, lack of recs, no MTTs etc. There was a massive hype in the first week but Phil must really be starting to worry now.
I hope it works out for him but I can't help but feel the dev team just don't have the resources if they still haven't sorted some of the issues out by now.
I think we can all agree that Phil is a great guy, and almost everyone wanted him to succeed.
Unfortunately -- and I've been saying this from the beginning years ago -- this site is launching at the wrong time and to the wrong market.
In 2006, this thing would have had a ton of potential.
In 2019, not so much.
A new, non-US-facing poker site only has limited potential these days. This especially becomes true when they lack a proper marketing budget.
Sure, they're doing some innovative things by having streamers (very cheaply) market for them, but again, that only goes so far.
A poker site is not like a local restaurant. A restaurant's customer doesn't care if the place is empty or full. He only cares if he can get a seat and eat a meal at a reasonable price. A poker customer usually only plays if he sees games running. Thus, you need customers (or the appearance of customers) to get more customers.
Once you have a lot of activity, the site almost markets itself, as action leads to more action.
I can't tell you how many times people ask me where they should be playing online as US customers. I usually answer, "America's Cardroom or Bovada." People ask, "Why? Are those good sites?" I reply, "No, they both have a lot of problems, but they have the most games running, and they pay you reliably."
A site without activity has no potential. It could be the best software in the world, with the most innovative promotions and gimmicks in the world, with the best customer service in the world, and none of that will matter.
Without a fair number of existing games running, the site will die. Potential customers will open the software, see no games running of the type and limit they want to play, and they will close the software and never come back.
I honestly don't see this site ever blowing up. The shine is already starting to wear off. Between the bugs, lack of basic features, and lack of activity, even the biggest Galfond supporters are starting to question why they're continuing to bother with it.
Things aren't hopeless just yet. But they need to change their direction and focus pronto. The question should be, "How do we get butts in seats here, and how do those butts stay planted in enough seats to where the average n00b will want to sit and play?"
The site is a massive fail with nothing but regs and galfond fan boys ... who coulda seen that one comin lol
The crowd has turned on Galfond on 2+2.
Not on him personally, but on the site.
Everyone basically agrees that it's a fail, that it's full of bugs, that it's a ghost town, and that it was mismanaged.
RIP
Despite the fact it's not an era you should launch a new poker site RIU was likely under financed and launched way too prematurely.
I wouldn't rule it out completely from increasing traffic over the next year or two but it will take some time. Changes will need to be made and they will have to eat a bunch of money in marketing/giveaway type of stuff before it can grow.
I agree that it's now looking like a buggy failsite, but I have to disagree with many of the criticisms which have come from this site. The truth is that if the bugs were ironed out and there were a good amount of traffic then the site would be great. The avatars aren't a big deal. The splash pot is great. The set buy-in levels are great. There's a lot to love - just online poker isn't what it once was.
Hope i'm wrong.
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