You mean a gay black man from New Jersey for President is not going to resonate nationwide? Really?Originally Posted by blake
about a year ago, i said on pfa this would be just an atrocious ticket for the democrats and still believe it.
It's not to most people. First I've heard any party hard liner come out and say it publicly.Why is this such a revelation? The DNC and Podesta emails clearly spelled that out in 2016. Wasserman Schultz and Donna Brazile were basically fired from their jobs because of it.
Worked out OK for the black guy from Illinois.You mean a gay black man from New Jersey for President is not going to resonate nationwide? Really?
about a year ago, i said on pfa this would be just an atrocious ticket for the democrats and still believe it.
a year ago, the nation wasnt facing the awesome prospect of detoxing from donald trump.
things have changed.
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"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
You understand Hillary and Liz hated each other, correct? Now that Hillary has stated she is done with politics, 'ol Liz comes out swinging. Where was Liz in 2016 with her opinion? She is quite the maverick for sure. She and Bob Corker and Jeff Flake need to get a room and have a threesome. They are real tough politicians when it no longer matters.It's not to most people. First I've heard any party hard liner come out and say it publicly.
generally, i think what you're saying makes sense.Huh? If the economy is strong in 2020, Trump is going to roll. People just don't understand politics and voters. Reelections last 30+ years:
Carter 1980 Economy Sucked: Lost
Reagan 1984 Economy Good: Won
Bush Sr 1992 Economy Sucked: Lost
Clinton 1996 Economy Good: Won
Bush 2004 Economy Good: Won
Obama 2012 Economy Improving: Won
If the economy is strong in 2020, Trump is going to coast. That is just the way it is. You people missed the handbook.
the only problem i see with this for trump is that he won the states he needed to win by around 80,000 votes. however, in 2016, every trump voter was super super enthusiastic about him, while the liberal vote was super super low cause hillary is reptilian.
it's hard for me to imagine that people that didn't vote for trump in 2016, will decide to vote for him in 2020. whose mind is going to be changed by his presidency? if you were a never-trumper cause you thought he's crazy, will your mind be changed by his presidency?
on the flip side, liberals are so outraged by trump, that they could probably put up mr. potato head and can get a much bigger turnout than hillary did
i truly hope the dems put up people slightly less establishy
a year ago, the nation wasnt facing the awesome prospect of detoxing from donald trump.
things have changed.
1) He was not gayWorked out OK for the black guy from Illinois.
2) The economy was imploding in 2008
3) First Black President
Obama was in the right place at the right time. To the same degree so was Trump.
People vote with their bank accounts and job security. Very few people watch CNN or read blogs. Those that do, already made up their minds years ago. If the economy is strong, Trump will sleepwalk to reelection, just like Reagan and Clinton. Even in a terribly unpopular war with Iraq, Bush still beat Kerry in 2004 because the stock market and housing market were roaring.generally, i think what you're saying makes sense.
the only problem i see with this for trump is that he won the states he needed to win by around 80,000 votes. however, in 2016, every trump voter was super super enthusiastic about him, while the liberal vote was super super low cause hillary is reptilian.
it's hard for me to imagine that people that didn't vote for trump in 2016, will decide to vote for him in 2020. whose mind is going to be changed by his presidency? if you were a never-trumper cause you thought he's crazy, will your mind be changed by his presidency?
on the flip side, liberals are so outraged by trump, that they could probably put up mr. potato head and can get a much bigger turnout than hillary did
Case in point, George Bush SR in 1991 after the Iraq war #1 was at 91% approval nationwide. A record. He was stomped in 1992 because the economy went into a severe recession and people lost their jobs.
Trump will win in 2020 if people earlier that year are going on vacations and buying new cars. It's that simple. If the economy stinks he could have unified North and South Korea without a shot being fired and nobody will give a shit and he will lose.
Bush the Elder lost because of Perot.
The reason Perot ran and had a following was because the economy was in recession.
i actually think tax cuts might help him get reelected but i have no faith he can get them passed.People vote with their bank accounts and job security. Very few people watch CNN or read blogs. Those that do, already made up their minds years ago. If the economy is strong, Trump will sleepwalk to reelection, just like Reagan and Clinton. Even in a terribly unpopular war with Iraq, Bush still beat Kerry in 2004 because the stock market and housing market were roaring.
Case in point, George Bush SR in 1991 after the Iraq war #1 was at 91% approval nationwide. A record. He was stomped in 1992 because the economy went into a severe recession and people lost their jobs.
Trump will win in 2020 if people earlier that year are going on vacations and buying new cars. It's that simple. If the economy stinks he could have unified North and South Korea without a shot being fired and nobody will give a shit and he will lose.
you might be right that anti-trumpers will look the other way if the economy is good, but i truly think the absolute hatred that half the country has towards him is unprecedented. imo he'll need to expand his base a little to win.
or just go up against a booker/warren ticket and he'll be fine.
Ross Perot was the man!!!
Oh really? As someone who considers himself "Jewish" maybe the fact that he was affiliated with Anti Semites might anger you a bit? Maybe?
Or maybe, I should call you Vegas the Head
If NZ doesn't work out why not join us in Canada?
I scored 20% over the point threshold. I've done my homework; apparently I made some sound career choices.
Their new policy on housing ownership gives me a bit of pause, granted...
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Gotta give you credit, you've made more sense in the past few pages of this thread than all your dupes combined have made in the history of these forums.Why is this such a revelation? The DNC and Podesta emails clearly spelled that out in 2016. Wasserman Schultz and Donna Brazile were basically fired from their jobs because of it.
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Hey guys? That Jenna Abrams chick on twitter? The one who constantly gets retweeted by every right wing cunt from Milo to InfoWars to Breitbart?
Yeah no big deal or anything, but she doesnt exist; shes another Russian sock puppet being run out of St Petersburg.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jenna-...-and-the-world
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"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
Change "liberal" to "retardo-conservative" and that sounds a lot like Donny T.
Trump won the election because he was the best man for the job!
Please god, please, please, convince libtards to nominate Hillary Clinton for Presidential candidate, im betting my entire 401k on President Trump if that happens, please god 1 time.
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