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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
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    You can get loans to buy property, and it took him 30 years. I wouldn't call that a "short period of time".

    you would argue with a brick wall. And then are quick to call others out for what you think are ill-conceived notions when they challenge your linear thinking. <Sigh>

    He was 64. He hadn't worked since the 80's you said. So let's say he last worked in 88 just to give you the benefit of the doubt. That was 29 years ago. So, he was 35 when he stopped working b/c he was sufficiently wealthy to get enough loans to build a real estate business worth millions when he sold it, all on a government salary. Sure thing.
    People with 60k incomes were buying 5 houses at a time in my neighborhood in 2004. It's very doable if you're willing to risk everything on the prices going up.

    It seems like you're fuzzy on how loans work.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyB View Post
    Again, what was done that is so hard to believe that one person accomplished? He managed to carry 20 guns upstairs over the course of 3 days. Wow.

    And what did he "figure out"? That sniping from an elevated position is effective?
    maybe setting up cameras around he hotel? keep in mind that this guy has no record of being involved with guns at all or surveillance/security, etc. his brother confirmed that fwiw.

    again these are opinions of people in actual criminal investigation saying this. I’m not telling you he had help, although at least some law enforcement officials apparently think he did

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyB View Post
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    you would argue with a brick wall. And then are quick to call others out for what you think are ill-conceived notions when they challenge your linear thinking. <Sigh>

    He was 64. He hadn't worked since the 80's you said. So let's say he last worked in 88 just to give you the benefit of the doubt. That was 29 years ago. So, he was 35 when he stopped working b/c he was sufficiently wealthy to get enough loans to build a real estate business worth millions when he sold it, all on a government salary. Sure thing.
    People with 60k incomes were buying 5 houses at a time in my neighborhood in 2004. It's very doable if you're willing to risk everything on the prices going up.

    It seems like you're fuzzy on how loans work.
    I was wondering how he got his "seed" money as well but this is a good point. I knew people before the financial crisis getting approved for million dollar loans with no proof of income. Mortgage brokers would falsify all kinds of crap to get people approved.

    He seems like a smart guy and properly hit a score on his first investment and then just parlayed it.

    I mean, i am kind of an idiot and took 6k and turned that into one million and then reinvested and got lucky since. A lot of it is just about timing

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud View Post
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    i have not even begun to embarrass myself. but seriously, personal attacks now? you're not even trying to make arguments?

    and i did consider the NBH thing, but LOTF also agrees so i'm not completely nuts
    I don't know why people are going crazy at you. You/we only quoted a NYT journalist ffs.

    I'm still pretty much certain it wasn't ISIS, and I stated that, but the source of the thread definitely made it worth taking what she said on board at least.
    I still don’t get the liberal outrage here. quoting a presumably liberal NYTimes journalist covering ISIS for a living? a 2-time Pulitzer Prize finalist btw

    it’s like suddenly I transformed from trump’s biggest critic on this board to Sean Hannity in the blink of an eye. how the fuck are you guys so triggered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
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    Again, what was done that is so hard to believe that one person accomplished? He managed to carry 20 guns upstairs over the course of 3 days. Wow.

    And what did he "figure out"? That sniping from an elevated position is effective?
    maybe setting up cameras around he hotel? keep in mind that this guy has no record of being involved with guns at all or surveillance/security, etc. his brother confirmed that fwiw.

    again these are opinions of people in actual criminal investigation saying this. I’m not telling you he had help, although at least some law enforcement officials apparently think he did

    I totally agree with DirtyB on this. This wasnt some mastermind . Honestly, he fucked up a lot of shit that i mentioned before.

    1. Smoke detector fail. seems obvious to me
    2. Camera on the food tray. Unneeded risk. He could have put camera in a lot better places than a tray that could get taken at any time.
    3. No diversion. Why not get another room on one floor down and set off a fire or get audio playing of gun shots in other rooms to confuse people as to where the shots are coming from.
    4. He could have barricaded the shit out of the door. Did little in that area.

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    This guy @USNJack has been destroying every conspiracy theory out there. Here is his best guess at motive:

    NavyJack‏ @USNJack 16m16 minutes ago

    If I had to guess motive, and it would only be a guess, based on the evidence to date, I would put ISIS 1st, Just Crazy 2nd. We'll see.



    I'll say this, if the "official" story turns out to be this guy was inspired by ISIS we will know with 100% certainty that it was a Mossad operation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
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    I don't know why people are going crazy at you. You/we only quoted a NYT journalist ffs.

    I'm still pretty much certain it wasn't ISIS, and I stated that, but the source of the thread definitely made it worth taking what she said on board at least.
    I still don’t get the liberal outrage here. quoting a presumably liberal NYTimes journalist covering ISIS for a living? a 2-time Pulitzer Prize finalist btw

    it’s like suddenly I transformed from trump’s biggest critic on this board to Sean Hannity in the blink of an eye. how the fuck are you guys so triggered?

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    Pointing out that an argument is based on no evidence is "liberal outrage" now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmoney View Post
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    maybe setting up cameras around he hotel? keep in mind that this guy has no record of being involved with guns at all or surveillance/security, etc. his brother confirmed that fwiw.

    again these are opinions of people in actual criminal investigation saying this. I’m not telling you he had help, although at least some law enforcement officials apparently think he did

    I totally agree with DirtyB on this. This wasnt some mastermind . Honestly, he fucked up a lot of shit that i mentioned before.

    1. Smoke detector fail. seems obvious to me
    2. Camera on the food tray. Unneeded risk. He could have put camera in a lot better places than a tray that could get taken at any time.
    3. No diversion. Why not get another room on one floor down and set off a fire or get audio playing of gun shots in other rooms to confuse people as to where the shots are coming from.
    4. He could have barricaded the shit out of the door. Did little in that area.

    seriously,


    a crazy dude wanted to shoot some people.

    he literally set up a camera next to his nests so he could film himself doing it, but didnt livestream it to twitch or facebook, so honestly how hard was he really trying here. if isis was behind this, they would have given their youngest wives to have a video of him catching his high score for their next zine.
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    and again im not saying there is definitely no isis involvement, im saying that its stupid to take isis' word for it given the total lack of evidence.

    find me some chatter, find me a mysterious vacation in yemen, a koran, prayer beads, anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    and again im not saying there is definitely no isis involvement, im saying that its stupid to take isis' word for it given the total lack of evidence.

    find me some chatter, find me a mysterious vacation in yemen, a koran, prayer beads, anything.
    The constant moving from house to house seems pretty damn sketchy, but not in an ISIS sort of way.

    I don't think anyone ever got rich off Mesquite NV real estate, but it is the perfect location to stay off the radar, central location to Las Vegas, AZ, and LA, where there is plenty of dirty money to go around.

    I'm thinking money washing (and maybe guns on the side?), which brings him into contact with some bad people and explains the weapons, tannerite, etc.

    Where better than a casino to meet these people, and feel somewhat safe under the cameras and security?

    Who better to handle this than an accountant and former IRS guy?

    Perhaps all the stress got to him and he decided to go out in a blaze of glory, a medical condition, extreme threats from his clients, or the .01% chance he got caught up with terrorists or a covert OP, who used him to get the weapons into the building and left him to take the fall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    and again im not saying there is definitely no isis involvement, im saying that its stupid to take isis' word for it given the total lack of evidence.

    find me some chatter, find me a mysterious vacation in yemen, a koran, prayer beads, anything.
    Would you accept evidence that he wiped his ass with his left hand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyde View Post
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    I may have this wrong. But is that guy saying all of the locations Paddock scouted faced towards Mecca?

    You've cracked it Drk. That's some slamdunk evidence right there.

    Case closed

    Oh and I typed this post while also facing towards Mecca (but mine was coincidence)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
    The other thing that i have not seen discussed much is how the hell did he become a millionaire with his background? I know of no former government workers who doubled as small time accountants that were millionaires with multiple houses, planes, and retired so early. And since they didn't come from money, yet there was enough for him to spread it around to his family, where did it come from?



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    I don't know what to believe anymore but damn if there isn't a TON of smoke.

    https://pamelageller.com/2017/10/las...is-video.html/

    As I previously pointed out, Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock filmed himself during the rampage. He set up a camera inside his hotel room to capture his deadly shooting rampage. Jihadis do that and then post it online. It’s a recruiting tool – imagine the kind of ideology that is seduced by that.

    Secondly, the Islamic State does not take credit for events that are not theirs. Not only have they taken credit for it, but they have double and tripled-down on this claim.

    Paddock may have scouted locations, including Fenway Park in Boston, Lollapalooza in Chicago and the Life is Beautiful music festival in Las Vegas, before the attack from Mandalay Bay on a massive gathering of country music fans.

    Even the New York Times ISIS expert correspondent is having second thought, thinks Vegas slaughter might be ISIS after all

    And now this. A former Trump campaign official has leaked information from within the White House that Las Vegas massacre gunman Stephen Paddock made an ISIS propaganda tape. State Assistant Director for Trump:

    A former Trump campaign official is making extraordinary claims he was leaked information from within the White House that Las Vegas massacre gunman Stephen Paddock made an ISIS propaganda tape and that authorities are refusing to reveal that the mass shooting was a terror attack.

    Former Massachusetts Trump campaign official James Brower posted a series of tweets last night claiming he was leaked information about Paddock being inspired by ISIS to carry out the mass shooting.

    “There is a video, this video will prove the motive. He had a secret digital profile that was uncovered over the last 24 hrs,” claims Brower.

    “Motive will be pretty shocking, I won’t say much but it will definitely change a lot of things going forward,” he added.

    “I’m being told the video basically speaks about a network, they wouldn’t tell me directly if it was ISIS but they threw little hints that it was,” Brower told Infowars.

    “The reason the video more than likely is never released is because they believe it will trigger the “cells” he speaks of,” according to Brower.

    “There should be a statement on motive soon,” he added, “They believe he was inspired by ISIS.”

    He also claims that there was a second person who helped Paddock plot the attack that the gunman was seen with three days prior to the massacre. This individual left before the shooting began, according to Brower. Hotel receipts suggest that Paddock was with another person days before the shooting.

    Authorities have now acknowledged that Paddock had “help” and originally planned to escape and carry out other atrocities. His car contained fertilizer that could be used to make explosives and 50 pounds of the explosive substance Tannerite, clearly suggesting he was planning a car bombing.

    Brower claims the source leaking his the information is an individual within the Trump cabinet. The former Trump campaign official did previously release information about Paul Manafort being wiretapped before it became public.

    Brower also claims that Paddock’s digital profile “showed he researched many of the massacres committed by IS lately in Europe.”

    However, Fox News reports that after “Analyzing Paddock’s computer, cellphone and other electronic devices, investigators have found no obvious ideological motive, no clear connection to extremists or activist groups or outward display of mental illness.”

    It is important to emphasize that Infowars does not endorse the veracity of Brower’s claims and they conflict with what officials investigating the case have revealed.

    However, it’s important to add that Sheriff Joe Lombardo did acknowledge that the shooter may have been “radicalized” and that he may have had an accomplice who helped organize the plot.

    In addition, after ISIS released the latest issue of their newsletter, which showed a picture of the Mandalay Bay drenched in blood, New York Times correspondent Rukmini Callimachi noted that the terror group’s claim of responsibility may not have been false.
    Another 20 tweet string about this claim. Here they are read from bottom up I am too lazy to put them in order.

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    FBI was unaware of online profile, hence why they said it wasn't terror related. But it's clear IS has been targeting Vegas for years.James B Scooping 🍦 added,

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    Also based on what I've been told is that they are in belief that it was IS, but not sure if he joined on his own power or was manipulated
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    Also based on what I've been told is that they are in belief that it was IS, but not sure if he joined on his own power or was manipulated
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    the Network could be totally made up by him, but it was taken as a cause of concern. That is known at the moment.
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    The reason the video more than likely is never released is because they believe it will trigger the "cells" he speaks of.
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    Video mentioned a network, it did not specify if it was ISIS or another organization, but he mentioned there being more just like him.
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    Haddock had 2 more events he planned to shoot up, he planned to get away in Vegas. Something went wrong "security guard".
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    There was someone in the room with the shooter, but they left before the shooting started. This 2nd person is not a women.
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    James B Scooping 🍦‏ @jbro_1776 20h20 hours ago
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    I hope they release the video to the public, but I'm not sure they will. It's pretty disturbing, but I do believe it eventually leaks.James B Scooping 🍦 added,

    James B Scooping 🍦 @jbro_1776
    There is a video, this video will prove the motive. He had a secret digital profile that was uncovered over the last 24 hrs. https://twitter.com/jbro_1776/status/916080778639003648
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    James B Scooping 🍦‏ @jbro_1776 20h20 hours ago
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    This is in regards to Vegas and not Russia. Russia Narrative is crumbling tho 😉James B Scooping 🍦 added,

    James B Scooping 🍦 @jbro_1776
    There is a video, this video will prove the motive. He had a secret digital profile that was uncovered over the last 24 hrs. https://twitter.com/jbro_1776/status/916080778639003648
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    James B Scooping 🍦‏ @jbro_1776 20h20 hours ago
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    There is a video, this video will prove the motive. He had a secret digital profile that was uncovered over the last 24 hrs.James B Scooping 🍦 added,

    James B Scooping 🍦 @jbro_1776
    Motive will be pretty shocking, I won't say much but it will definitely change a lot of things going forward.
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    Motive will be pretty shocking, I won't say much but it will definitely change a lot of things going forward.
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    Burr says: "Media will have egg their face".

    Wonder what excuse the MSM will have once their Anon sources are proven wrong.
    #FakeNews
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellafriend View Post
    you would argue with a brick wall. And then are quick to call others out for what you think are ill-conceived notions when they challenge your linear thinking. <Sigh>

    He was 64. He hadn't worked since the 80's you said. So let's say he last worked in 88 just to give you the benefit of the doubt. That was 29 years ago. So, he was 35 when he stopped working b/c he was sufficiently wealthy to get enough loans to build a real estate business worth millions when he sold it, all on a government salary. Sure thing.
    Are you seriously arguing that somebody couldn't make millions in real estate in the good old U.S. of A. over 20+ years during the 80's, 90's. & 00's? JFC dude.

    & stop implying that he "last worked" when he was 35 unless, of course, you think working in real estate isn't work.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockey Guy View Post
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    you would argue with a brick wall. And then are quick to call others out for what you think are ill-conceived notions when they challenge your linear thinking. <Sigh>

    He was 64. He hadn't worked since the 80's you said. So let's say he last worked in 88 just to give you the benefit of the doubt. That was 29 years ago. So, he was 35 when he stopped working b/c he was sufficiently wealthy to get enough loans to build a real estate business worth millions when he sold it, all on a government salary. Sure thing.
    Are you seriously arguing that somebody couldn't make millions in real estate in the good old U.S. of A. over 20+ years during the 80's, 90's. & 00's? JFC dude.

    & stop implying that he "last worked" when he was 35 unless, of course, you think working in real estate isn't work.
    He did most of his real estate deals in California, could have easily cleaned up with the right deals during that period. They mentioned last night he sold one of his apartment buildings he owned with a partner for 8 million recently. That is the type of level he was on.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustler View Post
    I don't know what to believe anymore but damn if there isn't a TON of smoke.

    https://pamelageller.com/2017/10/las...is-video.html/

    A former Trump campaign official is making extraordinary claims he was leaked information from within the White House that Las Vegas massacre gunman Stephen Paddock made an ISIS propaganda tape and that authorities are refusing to reveal that the mass shooting was a terror attack.
    Trump has gone to bed each night for the last 9 months praying he wakes up to an ISIS terror attack somewhere on the US mainland.

    So you honestly think the White House is sitting on a propaganda tape from Paddock?

    Not a fucking chance.
    http://pnimg.net/w/articles-attachments/1/4c2/74d75c36d2.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockey Guy View Post
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    you would argue with a brick wall. And then are quick to call others out for what you think are ill-conceived notions when they challenge your linear thinking. <Sigh>

    He was 64. He hadn't worked since the 80's you said. So let's say he last worked in 88 just to give you the benefit of the doubt. That was 29 years ago. So, he was 35 when he stopped working b/c he was sufficiently wealthy to get enough loans to build a real estate business worth millions when he sold it, all on a government salary. Sure thing.
    Are you seriously arguing that somebody couldn't make millions in real estate in the good old U.S. of A. over 20+ years during the 80's, 90's. & 00's? JFC dude.

    & stop implying that he "last worked" when he was 35 unless, of course, you think working in real estate isn't work.


    Dipshit - what I stated is emphasized for your learning disabled ass above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pam Geller's Dumb Ass View Post
    Secondly, the Islamic State does not take credit for events that are not theirs.
    ...except for the three times they did.

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