NEW RULE: Only I can escrow money for PFA contests, PLUS no running stakes on this site without prior permission

[nunbeater]

New rule: every thread is going to be about that faggot jsearles now, because he can't stop reminding everyone of his wicked awesome 500 dollar freeroll scam/welch.

[Jasep]

I'm not sure whats more amazing, how "everyone" claims they knew Templar was a scammer, but just for funs they kept it quiet OR why Jsearles is still going on about being a scammer.

Searles, either let it go or start 1 thread where you can debate the merits of it rather than ruining other threads.

Nobody really kept anything quiet... We just didn't announce anything to the world without any proof.

I warned several people privately, some already had the same thoughts, some were happy for the heads up and some thought i was a scumbag for even suggesting that Templar was a possible scammer.

It wouldn't be fair for people to just openly say they feel someone is a scammer without having any proof... What if someone made a thread and said zealonddonk scams, and said they had a feeling about it... but nothing to back it up? That wouldn't be cool at all.

below is the exact PM I sent Druff almost a month ago...

(some names edited out)

Hey Druff,

Hesitant to send you this, but just wanted to give you a heads up, between you and I. I think The Templar is free rolling users to get by and to pay his debts. He owed me, ***** and one other user small money for like 3 or 4 weeks, it wasn't a big deal so I never said anything to him about it, I just wouldn't take any bets from him until he paid me.

Well, the day of the PFA poker league thread I was talking to ***** and I said something to the effect of "Templar is escrowing a PFA poker league, bet we get paid today" and sure enough we did.

Last night in the PFA chat he was booking tons and tons of last longers, I know he had one with me, one with Drexel, hockey guy and a few others. He lost and shipped me immediately, then almost immediately asked me for a site transfer and I said no.

Then someone on skype sent me this link and asked me if I was buying a piece

http://thetemplar.webs.com/

I had never seen the link or heard about the package, which I thought was odd since I have probably done more financial transactions with him than anyone else has here.

I also found it odd that he would solicate stakes from the users here without making a thread for it, but instead PMing people with the details and directing them to another website.

I am guessing it is because he owes people money here and is trying to avoid anyone commenting in a thread that he has an outstanding debt with them and instead just PMing people for a stake.

A few other odd notes...

He lists on his site that he gets 70% rakeback from a room he cannot discuss...

I know the room, as do several people here (who were probably left off of this PM too) and he gets 45% rakeback

He tends to throw very small dollar figures around to get people aligned with him ($5.00 bounties, $25.00 freerolls) and then privately solicites more money from users.

The stake is small that he is running and I have a feeling he is going to be using it to cover the poker league funds he may be escrowing while trying to run it up in last longers and during this stake, since he used some of one of those things to pay some debts here.

He always seems eager to escrow or swap with people


Most of this is just speculation, I just don't want to see anyone get burned here, I looked at his list of guys that invested on that website and 3 of the 4 are good guys who buy action from others and I don't want them to get rolled and have a bad experience, etc...

This is just between us, just letting you know in case something should come up.

[zealanddonk]

From the objective point of view, if someone is a week late paying and has dodged communications then its fair to post a thread stating the basics of "Zealanddonk and I had a bet on the 10th of July which I expected to be paid on the 11th. Its been a week and havent heard from him. He owes me $200usd" or something to that effect. Straightforward (verifiable) facts.

If someone else then chimes in with "O yeah dude, he has a bad history of slowpaying" or "Yeah, we had a bet and he still owes me $50" then terms like scammer can be thrown around. Alternatively someone might post "He's playing WSOP and misplaced his phone, give him another week" or whatever might clear it.

[Jasep]

From the objective point of view, if someone is a week late paying and has dodged communications then its fair to post a thread stating the basics of "Zealanddonk and I had a bet on the 10th of July which I expected to be paid on the 11th. Its been a week and havent heard from him. He owes me $200usd" or something to that effect. Straightforward (verifiable) facts.

If someone else then chimes in with "O yeah dude, he has a bad history of slowpaying" or "Yeah, we had a bet and he still owes me $50" then terms like scammer can be thrown around. Alternatively someone might post "He's playing WSOP and misplaced his phone, give him another week" or whatever might clear it.

There was never a lack of communication until the stroke thing... and everyone has a different standard for what they consider thread worthy, if I made threads for everyone that owes me money then the front page of flying stupidity would be full of them.

[Deal]

New rule: every thread is going to be about that faggot jsearles now, because he can't stop reminding everyone of his wicked awesome 500 dollar freeroll scam/welch.

The entire site is becoming overwhelmed with his tired yet relentless act.

[zealanddonk]

From the objective point of view, if someone is a week late paying and has dodged communications then its fair to post a thread stating the basics of "Zealanddonk and I had a bet on the 10th of July which I expected to be paid on the 11th. Its been a week and havent heard from him. He owes me $200usd" or something to that effect. Straightforward (verifiable) facts.

If someone else then chimes in with "O yeah dude, he has a bad history of slowpaying" or "Yeah, we had a bet and he still owes me $50" then terms like scammer can be thrown around. Alternatively someone might post "He's playing WSOP and misplaced his phone, give him another week" or whatever might clear it.

There was never a lack of communication until the stroke thing... and everyone has a different standard for what they consider thread worthy, if I made threads for everyone that owes me money then the front page of flying stupidity would be full of them.

The "and" was meant to be both conditions met. Weiss asked what timeframe for starting a thread made sense and I'd think if you were expecting to get paid and hadnt heard from someone for a week, you probably getting burnt.

In your case, I assume you are better funded and more used to slow-payers that if someone takes two weeks it isnt as big a deal as it may be for others.

With that said, the Templar case is different, since he was posting daily and suddenly nothing.

[Jasep]

There was never a lack of communication until the stroke thing... and everyone has a different standard for what they consider thread worthy, if I made threads for everyone that owes me money then the front page of flying stupidity would be full of them.

The "and" was meant to be both conditions met. Weiss asked what timeframe for starting a thread made sense and I'd think if you were expecting to get paid and hadnt heard from someone for a week, you probably getting burnt.

In your case, I assume you are better funded and more used to slow-payers that if someone takes two weeks it isnt as big a deal as it may be for others.

With that said, the Templar case is different, since he was posting daily and suddenly nothing.

I'm not insanely well funded, I have some money, and I make decent money but I'm not wealthy (although I did crush Mohegan Sun this week #brag) I could always use the money that I have outstanding... I have realistic expectations on slow paying, and gambling with people online I realize that it is not always easy or ideal for someone to snap a payment right off and sometimes it takes a week, or two, or whatever... two weeks is generally the point where i start to "remind" about my money.

I was actually thinking about making a post or thread (in light of this thread) about people from this community that I have done business with that have shipped me way faster than I would have ever expected and I never have to worry about anything with, there are maybe 3-5 guys here that I would literally leave alone in my house without any worries and would book whatever action without even thinking of an escrow.

[zealanddonk]

I'm not insanely well funded, I have some money, and I make decent money but I'm not wealthy (although I did crush Mohegan Sun this week #brag) I could always use the money that I have outstanding... I have realistic expectations on slow paying, and gambling with people online I realize that it is not always easy or ideal for someone to snap a payment right off and sometimes it takes a week, or two, or whatever... two weeks is generally the point where i start to "remind" about my money.

I was actually thinking about making a post or thread (in light of this thread) about people from this community that I have done business with that have shipped me way faster than I would have ever expected and I never have to worry about anything with, there are maybe 3-5 guys here that I would literally leave alone in my house without any worries and would book whatever action without even thinking of an escrow.

Fair enough. A thread about fast payers, or people you have had good experiences with isnt a bad idea as such, but given how much drama there is on this site saying who you'd let stay in your house is bound to end in another Slim-T megameltdown.

[JUSTIFIEDhomicide]

I'm not insanely well funded, I have some money, and I make decent money but I'm not wealthy (although I did crush Mohegan Sun this week #brag) I could always use the money that I have outstanding... I have realistic expectations on slow paying, and gambling with people online I realize that it is not always easy or ideal for someone to snap a payment right off and sometimes it takes a week, or two, or whatever... two weeks is generally the point where i start to "remind" about my money.

I was actually thinking about making a post or thread (in light of this thread) about people from this community that I have done business with that have shipped me way faster than I would have ever expected and I never have to worry about anything with, there are maybe 3-5 guys here that I would literally leave alone in my house without any worries and would book whatever action without even thinking of an escrow.

Fair enough. A thread about fast payers, or people you have had good experiences with isnt a bad idea as such, but given how much drama there is on this site saying who you'd let stay in your house is bound to end in another Slim-T megameltdown.

It's actually a terrible idea because someone can easily do some small loans over and over to set up a big fish, and then Steve-O looks like a jerkoff for vouching for the guy.

Just sayin, better safe than sorry not saying anything at all.

[Jasep]

Fair enough. A thread about fast payers, or people you have had good experiences with isnt a bad idea as such, but given how much drama there is on this site saying who you'd let stay in your house is bound to end in another Slim-T megameltdown.

It's actually a terrible idea because someone can easily do some small loans over and over to set up a big fish, and then Steve-O looks like a jerkoff for vouching for the guy.

Just sayin, better safe than sorry not saying anything at all.

LOL, I'm not talking about vouching at all, more like Ebay positive feedback

[JUSTIFIEDhomicide]

It's actually a terrible idea because someone can easily do some small loans over and over to set up a big fish, and then Steve-O looks like a jerkoff for vouching for the guy.

Just sayin, better safe than sorry not saying anything at all.

LOL, I'm not talking about vouching at all, more like Ebay positive feedback

oops, I said Steve and meant you.


Don't you think those are pretty much the same thing?

[Jasep]

LOL, I'm not talking about vouching at all, more like Ebay positive feedback

oops, I said Steve and meant you.


Don't you think those are pretty much the same thing?

Yeah, I guess so, your right in that your probably better off not saying anything...

I am sure people can figure out on their own who they should do business with. It's just a shame that the negative dealings get so much attention, I have done transactions with maybe 12 people here and theres only a couple I will never do business with again, everyone else was a pleasure dealing with.

[Steve-O]

Fair enough. A thread about fast payers, or people you have had good experiences with isnt a bad idea as such, but given how much drama there is on this site saying who you'd let stay in your house is bound to end in another Slim-T megameltdown.

It's actually a terrible idea because someone can easily do some small loans over and over to set up a big fish, and then Steve-O looks like a jerkoff for vouching for the guy.

Just sayin, better safe than sorry not saying anything at all.

Even though you meant Jasep... Steve-O doesn't vouch for anyone! LOL. There are people I would recommend dealing with on this site, but I would never vouch for them.

On a serious note, if you get taken it's frankly your own fault and you shouldn't be dealing with people you don't really know for any amount that would make you say anything more than "Well that guy turned out to be a piece of shit". I've shipped three people here money or made bets (2 for BAPs) and all three are people I was aware of their names beforehand and their reputations, and all three amounts were nothing that if I lost I would try to hunt them down. If I shipped an anonymous screen-name $100 I would basically put the value of that $100 at somewhere between $0 and $75 depending on the screen-name.

Myself personally, I will not make a bet unless I can snap-pay the second the bet is over, which is why you'll never see making high-number bets. also , if for some reason I couldn't pay I would instantly explain the situation and let the person know when they could expect payment.

[Hockey Guy]

It's actually a terrible idea because someone can easily do some small loans over and over to set up a big fish, and then Steve-O looks like a jerkoff for vouching for the guy.
Just sayin, better safe than sorry not saying anything at all.

Totally agree with this. It's just helping a scammer set shit up.

On a serious note, if you get taken it's frankly your own fault and you shouldn't be dealing with people you don't really know for any amount that would make you say anything more than "Well that guy turned out to be a piece of shit".

This is the boat I'm in. I thought Temp was a straight shooter & it turns out that he may not be. In the future I'll definitely PM Druff & maybe a few other highly respected posters to get their thoughts first before shipping anything to anyone. A guy has to learn somehow & I look at this incident as a learning experience & won't let it overshadow my mostly good experiences on this site.

[lewfather]

Weiss are you still in contact with fminc? Does vikram approve of this thread?

[ShadyJ]

Only an idiot would start a thread outing the Templar as a scammer so soon

[Steve-O]

Only an idiot would start a thread outing the Templar as a scammer so soon

I see what you did there

[JUSTIFIEDhomicide]

It's actually a terrible idea because someone can easily do some small loans over and over to set up a big fish, and then Steve-O looks like a jerkoff for vouching for the guy.

Just sayin, better safe than sorry not saying anything at all.

Even though you meant Jasep... Steve-O doesn't vouch for anyone! LOL. There are people I would recommend dealing with on this site, but I would never vouch for them.

On a serious note, if you get taken it's frankly your own fault and you shouldn't be dealing with people you don't really know for any amount that would make you say anything more than "Well that guy turned out to be a piece of shit". I've shipped three people here money or made bets (2 for BAPs) and all three are people I was aware of their names beforehand and their reputations, and all three amounts were nothing that if I lost I would try to hunt them down. If I shipped an anonymous screen-name $100 I would basically put the value of that $100 at somewhere between $0 and $75 depending on the screen-name.

Myself personally, I will not make a bet unless I can snap-pay the second the bet is over, which is why you'll never see making high-number bets. also , if for some reason I couldn't pay I would instantly explain the situation and let the person know when they could expect payment.

Sorry I get you two mixed up from time to time. FWIW I look at you two as like the level headed father figures of the site lol.

[JUSTIFIEDhomicide]

Weiss are you still in contact with fminc? Does vikram approve of this thread?

No more phone calla from fminc. I'd always know it was him calling because the caller I'd would have shapes and numbers I didn't even know existed.

[adamantium]

Streetbike Tommy has really hijacked this thread