Here is the type of response you get from pokerstars on this. First hand looks bad. 2nd one looks very bad.



- It is not totally inconceivable given the play of the hand that the guy could have AK – granted you would expect him to carry on betting the turn but regardless it is not outside the realms of possibility.
- When this hand happened there were 29 players left in the tourney – so two off the bubble. If lambo_black goes all in and is called and loses then he could very much still be the bubble boy with blinds about to hit him.

End of the day he makes the safe move and at the same time makes a ‘fellow pole’ lose over two thirds of his stack. I would genuinely be interested if you posted the evidence on 2+2 including the proximity to the bubble and see what others thought but this is in no way collusion. Fwiw there is nothing linking the players either from a technological or financial perspective either.

The second hand I do agree is more odd. I can understand the float for the min bet with overs, gutshot and the stack he has, but the all in call looks very odd. I will bcc someone to this who will be able to raise a collusion review into this pair to see if there is anything more to it.



This is from the 2nd hand



We found no evidence of any of this suspicious play. Further, note the aggressive play between 'Vronx93' and 'lambo_black' in the hand below. This is not indicative of a cooperative relationship, as cooperating players will generally avoid confrontations with each other.


This is the evidence they will provide you if they look at 2 players.


PokerStars Hand #163259310439: Tournament #1765188518, $13.77+$1.23 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2016/12/20 16:09:25 ET
Table '1765188518 5' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: kallesahl (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: ikar008 (3312 in chips)
Seat 4: theboy7 (1304 in chips)
Seat 5: fedexpres203 (1284 in chips)
Seat 6: Vronx93 (1924 in chips)
Seat 7: lambo_black (1518 in chips)
Seat 8: LimpNaCadeia (107 in chips)
Seat 9: YoungBeezie (2248 in chips)
kallesahl: posts the ante 15
ikar008: posts the ante 15
theboy7: posts the ante 15
fedexpres203: posts the ante 15
Vronx93: posts the ante 15
lambo_black: posts the ante 15
LimpNaCadeia: posts the ante 15
YoungBeezie: posts the ante 15
Moving Bets to Pot
Vronx93: posts small blind 75
lambo_black: posts big blind 150

16:09:25 *** HOLE CARDS ***

16:09:25 Dealt to kallesahl
16:09:25 Dealt to ikar008
16:09:25 Dealt to theboy7
16:09:25 Dealt to fedexpres203
16:09:25 Dealt to Vronx93 [As 3s]
16:09:25 Dealt to lambo_black [Ad Qs]
16:09:25 Dealt to LimpNaCadeia
16:09:25 Dealt to YoungBeezie

16:09:40 LimpNaCadeia: calls 92 and is all-in
16:09:46 YoungBeezie: folds
16:09:50 kallesahl: folds
16:09:51 ikar008: folds
16:09:51 theboy7: folds
16:09:53 fedexpres203: folds
16:10:08 Vronx93: raises 1759 to 1909 and is all-in
16:10:09 lambo_black: calls 1353 and is all-in
16:10:09 Moving Bets to Pot
16:10:09 Uncalled bet (406) returned to Vronx93

16:10:11 *** FLOP *** [Qh 3c 9h]

16:10:13 *** TURN *** [Qh 3c 9h] [Tc]

16:10:15 *** RIVER *** [Qh 3c 9h Tc] [4s]

16:10:16 *** SHOW DOWN ***

16:10:16 Vronx93: shows [As 3s] (a pair of Threes)
16:10:16 lambo_black: shows [Ad Qs] (a pair of Queens)
16:10:17 lambo_black collected 2822 from side pot
16:10:17 LimpNaCadeia: shows [6c 8d] (high card Queen)
16:10:18 lambo_black collected 396 from main pot
16:10:18 LimpNaCadeia finished the tournament in 63rd place




Thats right. Even if you softplay with another player. If you shove all in with Ax with under 10bb and the bb calls with an Ax with under 10bb... thats enough to dismiss them from any cheating. This is completely standard and if anyone folded here this would be straight up cheating. The issue again is a lot of these players are very clever and dont do this to draw attention.


In other words, even if these 2 players had 5bb and went all in and call... this one play is enough to dismiss collusion from all the other hands.


Look at the first hand. If vronx had AK there, why wouldn't bet bet the turn? Because if he did have AK, he doesnt want to take his fellow players entire stack. Then on the river when he makes top pair, lambo decides to check call with 2 pair? You know security's response on this? Maybe he was worried vronx had AK. If vronx had AK, that is even more collusion. Many players who actually play this format agreed vronx does not play like this by himself. He raises a limp there with a7 with that stack size against a nonpolish player? He never does that? Only time things like this happen is when 2 or more polish players at the table.


In other words their security collusion system is broken just as many others told me via PM.


Anyone else at the tables will be welcomed to post in here.