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all hail Hydra
Originally Posted by DanDruff:Since I'm a 6'2" Republican with an average-sized nose and a last name which doesn't end with "stein", "man", or "berg", I can hide among the goyim and remain undetected unless I open my mouth about money matters.
Lol Tim Kaine
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/03...as-jesuit.html
In September 1980, as violence and civil war erupted throughout Central America, a quiet American left Harvard Law School to volunteer with Jesuit missionaries in northern Honduras.
Around him, the United States-backed military dictatorship hunted Marxists and cracked down on the Catholic clergy for preaching empowerment to peasant farmers. But some locals also looked warily on the bearded and mop-haired Midwesterner in their midst.
Just a few hours south, the Central Intelligence Agency was using Honduras as a staging ground in its covert war against Latin American communism, with right-wing forces training for operations in El Salvador and Nicaragua.
“Some of the people were wondering what’s going on, who is this guy?” Tim Kaine, then a 22-year-old volunteer and now the Democratic nominee for vice president, said in an interview. He understood why. His mentors in the priesthood had also urged him to be wary of friendly American faces.
“It was a time of such intrigue and suspicion,” Mr. Kaine said.
Far from being a C.I.A. operative, Mr. Kaine was a young Catholic at a crossroads, undergoing a spiritual shift as he awakened to the plight of the deeply poor in Honduras. In its far-flung pueblos, banana plantation company towns and dusty cities, Mr. Kaine embraced an interpretation of the gospel, known as liberation theology, that championed social change to improve the lives of the downtrodden.
In Honduras, his recitation of the traditional Catholic mealtime blessing changed to “Lord give bread to those who hunger, and hunger for justice to those who have bread.”
Honduran military leaders, American officials and even Pope John Paul II viewed liberation theology suspiciously, as dangerously injecting Marxist beliefs into religious teaching. But the strong social-justice message of liberation theology helped set Mr. Kaine on a left-veering career path in which he fought as a lawyer against housing discrimination, became a liberal mayor, and rose as a Spanish-speaking governor and senator with an enduring focus on Latin America.
It also gave Mr. Kaine a new, darker view of his own country’s behavior. “It was a very politicizing experience for me because the U.S. was doing a lot of bad stuff,” he said. “It made me very angry. I mean I still feel it.”
Mr. Kaine first went to Honduras during Holy Week of 1974 while a sophomore at Rockhurst High School, a Jesuit academy in Kansas City, Mo. A self-described “sheltered kid” who grew up in a middle class Irish-Catholic family, he delivered donations to a Jesuit mission in the town of El Progreso.
As Mr. Kaine returned to finish high school, race through college in three years and enroll at Harvard Law, the Jesuits back in El Progreso administered to an ever more bloody region.
The Rev. Mauricio Gaborit, a Honduran priest, befriended Mr. Kaine during his initial trip in 1974. Father Gaborit said that after he had helped Nicaraguan refugees streaming over the border, two security officials told him he needed to leave the country if he wanted to live. He did, ultimately coming to study in America.
“I talked a little bit about this with Tim,” said Father Gaborit, who visited Mr. Kaine at his home outside Kansas City years later and corresponded with him through letters and late-night conversations. Father Gaborit shared his terrifying experiences, but Mr. Kaine, he said, was determined to return.
He “wasn’t a worried person,” Father Gaborit said.
Instead, Mr. Kaine was worried that he was rushing through life. While at Harvard Law, he arranged to volunteer again in El Progreso. His parents wondered if he was considering the priesthood, but he said he was seeking something else.
El Progreso seemed as far from Kansas City as it was from Rome. Priests wore short sleeves and had muddy boots. Bishops distinguished themselves with white guayabera shirts.
Upon Mr. Kaine’s return in 1980, the Jesuits told him his experience working in his father’s metal shop was more valuable than his legal knowledge. He was soon teaching carpentry and welding to 70 vocational students.
The Rev. Jack Warner, a priest with the mission, recalled Mr. Kaine as quiet and methodical, which came in handy for his record-keeping duties at the school. But Father Warner also described an atmosphere of fear in which the most basic advice was “be careful of who you are talking to — most particularly the Americans.”
Father Warner himself saw the church’s role as advocating for the poor and the oppressed — as he saw it, “the gospel is an extremely communist document.”
It was just that blending of Catholicism and socialism that raised suspicion in the Reagan administration and the Honduran military. At the Vatican, Pope John Paul II, whose defining experience was resistance to the communist regime in Poland, frowned on liberation theology.
“That’s one of the reasons we didn’t make too much noise about it,” Father Warner said.
But Mr. Kaine, who said the priests felt “like they were under the church’s thumb,” would get exposure to — and seek out — some of the leading thinkers of the movement.
He met Jon Sobrino, a Spanish theologian, an adviser to the murdered archbishop of El Salvador, Oscar Romero, and the author of “Jesus the Liberator,” which was criticized in 2006 by the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on the grounds that it might “cause harm to the faithful.”
During a short stay in Nicaragua, Mr. Kaine looked up an American, the Rev. James Carney, known there as Guadalupe, who had been exiled from Honduras in 1979, in part for adopting an extreme view of liberation theology that supported the taking up of arms against military oppressors.
dirt floors he slept on in Honduras reminded him of camping trips.
During the rainy Christmas season, Mr. Kaine accompanied Father Patricio as ecstatic children in rural towns greeted their mules in anticipation of getting gifts of peppermints. In one of those remote villages, a poor family with malnourished children gave Father Patricio a Christmas gift of food.
Mr. Kaine did not approve, and when they were alone, Father Patricio explained, “‘Tim, you have to really be humble to take this gift of food from a family that poor.’” The message, as Mr. Kaine understood it, was that if you consider someone incapable of giving, you strip them of their humanity.
“I think about it all the time,” Mr. Kaine said.
On the way back, their Jeep repeatedly got stuck in the mud. They ended up alone in a one-room schoolhouse with a can of peanuts, a bottle of wine and Kenny Burrell’s “The Little Drummer Boy” playing on their transistor radio.
Not only is he a jesus freak, he's a Marxist communist.
Lol at "liberation theology".
Strange times indeed.
If the Democrats decide to appoint Kaine as the presidential nominee then it's pretty much over. As far as i can remember, the Democrats have always espoused anti religious sentiment. It seems over the years those sentiments have shifted in favor of islam, mainly because of misguided narratives of muslim oppression in the United States. I live in Texas and travel to smaller rural cities that would be considered "a red neck area", and even those small cities that are dominated by red necks have businesses owned by Muslims and other middle eastern or indian people. Even after 9/11, when there was real anti Muslim sentiment, no stores owned by Muslims or middle eastern people where vandalized, nor where any Muslims hurt in these areas populated by predominantly white gun toting bible thumping "red necks", that i can recall. Due to the fact that these muslims integrated into these areas and everyone got to know these store owners and clerks on a personal level. So we have to ask ourselves why are people accepting the "Muslims are being oppressed" narrative that is being pushed by liberal media outlets and Muslim civil rights groups (LOL).
I always agreed with anti religious establishment sentiment. Growing up Catholic, i was privy to the Catholic religion and establishment. Once i realized that it was all just paganism 2.0 i pretty much just had disdain for it all. But something i learned later in life is that i have to separate the idea of Catholicism and the Catholic religious establishment, which has been responsible for many atrocities over time. Just like Marxism and communism as an idea, seem to be good ideas but some how these ideologies seem to fail miserably. We have Russia, cuba, Venezuela, and many other examples of failed Marxism and communism.
My point is that ideology teamed up with a hierarchical bureaucracy is a bad combination. Virtually any form of government that contains those two fails miserably, the only people who suffer are the people at the bottom. And here the Democrats are, just begging for it.
"Druff would suck his own dick if it were long enough"- Brandon "drexel" Drexel
"ann coulter literally has more common sense than pfa."-Sonatine
"Real grinders supports poker fraud"- Ray Davis
"DRILLED HER GOOD"- HONGKONGER
HILLARY CAMPAIGN GOES TO WAR WITH CARTOON FROG
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/...-an-explainer/
WHAT??!
:TRAIN
"Druff would suck his own dick if it were long enough"- Brandon "drexel" Drexel
"ann coulter literally has more common sense than pfa."-Sonatine
"Real grinders supports poker fraud"- Ray Davis
"DRILLED HER GOOD"- HONGKONGER
Jesus Krypt, if we can't express a little cynicism and embrace some conspiracy theories then there is little point to following this election or this thread.
But if you want to accept politics at the first level and discuss issues (lol) it is remotely possible that could be entertaining too.
I have vague memories of when I was young, idealistic and gave a shit.
This was good for a giggle - MM started this baffling thread on 2+2 in which he alludes to Trump's proposed tax policies as being more favourable to poker players. He seems to take a shot at Negreanu and then asks a cryptic question about why poker players support Clinton. Then the masses turn on him for his seeming allegiance to Trump, he doesn't like the responses, and closes the thread less than 24 hours later. A few posters appear to have been banned in the process. Fun times.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...poker-1628569/
Hillary is attacking Pepe the frog. As someone who posts on internet forums this should freak you out a little.
Don't you see what will happen if the democrats win? They will legalize a shit ton of illegal immigrants so they never lose again and they will make moves to regulate the internet to opposing views, u just watch.
'The "alt-right" on the internet is stirring up our sheeple and making the world a worse place, we must stop them' this will happen if Hillary wins.
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shout out to my EX BEST FRIEND sidetrash pretending to rep 4chan when hes a coward who dont even smoke crack
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
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