ProfessionalRakeback.com is a SCAM, and they are promoting a SCAM poker site named Full Flush Poker

[Game Protect]

Game Protect:

Intent is necessary to prove fraud. Yet you come up with the most bizarre rationalization that if something already happened, intent is no longer necessary.

Yes, as it is not possible to unintentionally embezzle player deposits.

Intent simply means that the person's purpose was to steal from people rather than just having made ignorant business decisions.

No. Intent covers all areas within the criminal law.

Despite of this, How Quaint/ kahntrutahn did not intent to steal from people. He intent to promote a scam to get commissions.

In the law that you quote both (a) and (b) are necessary, not (a) or (b).

According to your "logic", if someone already cheated people in the height of US $ million, but do not intent to cheat further, then he did not breach the Fraud Act, right?

Please describe how managers and employees of an online gaming company can unintentionally embezzle player funds and make false and misleading statements about the financial status and withdrawal time frames?

Bank robbery and fraud are 2 completely different types of crimes. Fraud by its nature is deceptive. The necessity of proving intent in an overt crime plays a much smaller role that the necessity of proving intent in crimes based on schemes. You should already know that.

If someone knows that the company he promotes embezzled player funds, he can not unintentionally promote this company. Therefore, you have to prove that he knew that the company he promotes breached criminal laws.

What I've said about fraud has been based on the Fraud Act which you early on in this thread stated was the basis for your case before then quietly deleting that statement. Then you went on and on about Roman law which has nothing to do with the UK's Fraud Act. Now you're back to the Fraud Act. You're just all over the place.

You have stated that the US law and European law are similar and I informed you that most European countries uses Roman law and that I doubt that the US uses Roman law as well. This statement was not in relation to the UK Fraud Act. You mix everything!

I just don't know who you are trying to fool. We all know that a group of players successfully suing a site that has run off with money would be a big news item . Yet you try to tell us that it's something that you commonly do as a perk of your affiliate program. If you actually did what It already hyou claim that you do, we would have heard about it by now.

It already happened! You should improve your knowledge base. Maybe Bing is a better choice.

Please explain why it was not publicised, even though a big news item?

[SantaCruz]

Game Protect:

At this point it would behoove you to simply stop embarrassing yourself with your silly posts. Why don't you have your lawyer write them for you?

Embezzlement and cheating people is something that you need to go into a court to prove. It's not something you can present to a court as a given. Is your lawyer on vacation? If so, you really need to talk to him when he gets back.

And no, intent obviously isn't anywhere near to being equally important in all crimes. When someone robs a bank, all a court needs to know is that he robbed the bank; intent is pretty much irrelevant. Whereas when a business doesn't pay customers, the business' intent is hugely important in determining whether a crime even took place.

So please stop embarrassing yourself with your smoke and mirrors and start answering some of the fundamental questions that have been asked of you.

[Game Protect]

Embezzlement and cheating people is something that you need to go into a court to prove. It's not something you can present to a court as a given. Is your lawyer on vacation? If so, you really need to talk to him when he gets back.

Who said it is something you can present to a court as a given? You? Game Protect for sure not:

Lawyer and civil court proceeding, in case you have a valid claim and we can not reach a resolution

http://game-protect.com

And no, intent obviously isn't anywhere near to being equally important in all crimes. When someone robs a bank, all a court needs to know is that he robbed the bank; intent is pretty much irrelevant.

Who said it is equally important? You? I for sure not!

You said that intent simply means that the person's purpose was to steal from people and I informed you (even though senseless) that intent covers all areas within the criminal law and is not limited to steal from people:

Intent simply means that the person's purpose was to steal from people rather than just having made ignorant business decisions.

Whereas when a business doesn't pay customers, the business' intent is hugely important in determining whether a crime even took place.

Please explain how a business can unintentionally embezzle player funds or can unintentionally make false and misleading statements about their financial status and withdrawal time frames? For you as an google intention expert, this should be no problem at all!

I asked you a lot of questions you did not respond/explain, because you are not able to explain your bullshit! Before you continue to state mountains of bullshit and gibberish, I higly recommend to first learn how to read.

[SantaCruz]

Game Protect:

It's pretty funny when a non-native English speaker continuously tells a native English speaker with a journalism degree that he needs to learn how to read. But It's pretty sad to think that your chaotic posts probably reflects the chaos in your head.

I've explained the same things to you over and over again; and I've asked you to reply to basic questions. But you just keep coming back with nonsensical replies that seem to be written by a dishonest child. I think that it's pretty clear by now that something is rotten in Bucharest.

[Dan Druff]

Okay, time to cut through the GameProtect BS and get back on topic.

In the coming weeks, I am going to take action against Full Flush.

These actions will include, but not be limited to:

- Tracking down ownership/management of other Equity skins such as Heritage, and warn them that they are essentially being freerolled. I think that Full Flush, with a lot of pro players, is probably the "winningest" skin, meaning that they RECEIVE money from the other skins (as well as the rake generated by them), rather than send money. This is why we aren't hearing complaints from other skins that they're not getting paid -- because they're not owed anything! But it's high time they know exactly what's going on.

- Buying up various .com domains and SEOing them to report that Full Flush Poker is a scam, as well as Professional Rakeback being a scam. Time to get the word out.

- Reporting the site and all known individual conspirators to US federal authorities. Not sure if they will be interested, but it can't hurt.

- Other actions I cannot discuss out here at this time.

Obviously they will never pay anyone, other than sending a trickle of small Moneygram payments out each month.

Time to shut this bitch down for good.

[SysOp]

Okay, time to cut through the GameProtect BS and get back on topic.

In the coming weeks, I am going to take action against Full Flush.

These actions will include, but not be limited to:

- Tracking down ownership/management of other Equity skins such as Heritage, and warn them that they are essentially being freerolled. I think that Full Flush, with a lot of pro players, is probably the "winningest" skin, meaning that they RECEIVE money from the other skins (as well as the rake generated by them), rather than send money. This is why we aren't hearing complaints from other skins that they're not getting paid -- because they're not owed anything! But it's high time they know exactly what's going on.

- Buying up various .com domains and SEOing them to report that Full Flush Poker is a scam, as well as Professional Rakeback being a scam. Time to get the word out.

- Reporting the site and all known individual conspirators to US federal authorities. Not sure if they will be interested, but it can't hurt.

- Other actions I cannot discuss out here at this time.

Obviously they will never pay anyone, other than sending a trickle of small Moneygram payments out each month.

Time to shut this bitch down for good.

i agree 100% with this. I'll write up a page and use my favorite free hosting site, and buy a .99 domain. fuck this clown

[RealTalk]

Okay, time to cut through the GameProtect BS and get back on topic.

In the coming weeks, I am going to take action against Full Flush.

These actions will include, but not be limited to:

- Tracking down ownership/management of other Equity skins such as Heritage, and warn them that they are essentially being freerolled. I think that Full Flush, with a lot of pro players, is probably the "winningest" skin, meaning that they RECEIVE money from the other skins (as well as the rake generated by them), rather than send money. This is why we aren't hearing complaints from other skins that they're not getting paid -- because they're not owed anything! But it's high time they know exactly what's going on.

- Buying up various .com domains and SEOing them to report that Full Flush Poker is a scam, as well as Professional Rakeback being a scam. Time to get the word out.

- Reporting the site and all known individual conspirators to US federal authorities. Not sure if they will be interested, but it can't hurt.

- Other actions I cannot discuss out here at this time.

Obviously they will never pay anyone, other than sending a trickle of small Moneygram payments out each month.

Time to shut this bitch down for good.

[thesparten]

Okay, time to cut through the GameProtect BS and get back on topic.

In the coming weeks, I am going to take action against Full Flush.

These actions will include, but not be limited to:

- Tracking down ownership/management of other Equity skins such as Heritage, and warn them that they are essentially being freerolled. I think that Full Flush, with a lot of pro players, is probably the "winningest" skin, meaning that they RECEIVE money from the other skins (as well as the rake generated by them), rather than send money. This is why we aren't hearing complaints from other skins that they're not getting paid -- because they're not owed anything! But it's high time they know exactly what's going on.

- Buying up various .com domains and SEOing them to report that Full Flush Poker is a scam, as well as Professional Rakeback being a scam. Time to get the word out.

- Reporting the site and all known individual conspirators to US federal authorities. Not sure if they will be interested, but it can't hurt.

- Other actions I cannot discuss out here at this time.

Obviously they will never pay anyone, other than sending a trickle of small Moneygram payments out each month.

Time to shut this bitch down for good.

Looking forward to this!!

[Dan Druff]

Full Flush now promoting an "Aruba Package" for a tournament there in November:

http://www.fullflushpoker.com/tourna...r-in-paradise/

Odds that anyone actually receives this package:



I asked Jonathan Brown for comment via Skype, and of course he ignored me.

[thesparten]

Full Flush now promoting an "Aruba Package" for a tournament there in November:

http://www.fullflushpoker.com/tourna...r-in-paradise/

Odds that anyone actually receives this package:



I asked Jonathan Brown for comment via Skype, and of course he ignored me.

I just finished a tourney there.. still have all sorts of bonuses and gems and tickets and cash back from the last $100 I deposited there some months ago..

Not much over 5$ entry is running and I'm talking mtts, lol..

I really liked this site. It was so rec friendly. Would love to join interchange. Maybe they will start accepting new York one could hope.. no chance a legit site like party or 888 will come.. I so want to leave acr and grand...

Will miss u full flush..

[CBet]

Bump?

Here is some other shady stuff from Kahtrutahn:

* He mentions his site under a list entitled "the larger rakeback sites, and hence most reputable, are:" on Poker.Wikia.com. In fact, he includes numerous links to his site on that website since he was granted a moderator role. There are probably 100 links to his site on that Wikia + there is a Full Flush Poker page on that site that has a more than favorable review.

* He wrote fake reviews for his own site here: https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/p...alrakeback.com

[FRANKRIZZO]

kahntrutahn ==== fucking tranny

[Game Protect]

Full Flush Poker got kicked from the gaming server park in Curacao! What a pitty....

[Dan Druff]

Full Flush Poker got kicked from the gaming server park in Curacao! What a pitty....

So it's down now, right?

I went to fullflushpoker.com and got a LOL error message with some phone number.

[TicallionHmmm]

Full Flush Poker got kicked from the gaming server park in Curacao! What a pitty....

So what does this mean on the grand scheme of things?

[FRANKRIZZO]

There is only one possible reason that the sagacious curaco licensing outfit boots a client or poker site and it is not because it doesn't pay its players. Curaco kept licensing lock up until the day lock stopped paying curacos licensing fees , then lock got a swift kick in the ass. Im guessing that is the same fate that befell Full Flush.

[Game Protect]

Full Flush Poker got kicked from the gaming server park in Curacao! What a pitty....

So what does this mean on the grand scheme of things?

A license provider take things serious only if he has to fear consequenses for his criminal behaviour. So this is a good sign for those who joined the litigation proceeding.

There is only one possible reason that the sagacious curaco licensing outfit boots a client or poker site and it is not because it doesn't pay its players. Curaco kept licensing lock up until the day lock stopped paying curacos licensing fees , then lock got a swift kick in the ass. Im guessing that is the same fate that befell Full Flush.

No idea what you want to achieve with your false and misleading statement, but I know that you do not know that Lock got kicked because they did not pay the licensing fee!

[FRANKRIZZO]

So what does this mean on the grand scheme of things?

A license provider take things serious only if he has to fear consequenses for his criminal behaviour. So this is a good sign for those who joined the litigation proceeding.

There is only one possible reason that the sagacious curaco licensing outfit boots a client or poker site and it is not because it doesn't pay its players. Curaco kept licensing lock up until the day lock stopped paying curacos licensing fees , then lock got a swift kick in the ass. Im guessing that is the same fate that befell Full Flush.

No idea what you want to achieve with your false and misleading statement, but I know that you do not know that Lock got kicked because they did not pay the licensing fee!

WRONG! It was listed in sevral poker news outlets that lock got the boot after missing payment. You obviously don't know that licensing sites like the curacos will license anyone as long as they pay their licensing fees. You are ill informed if you believe that curaco takes equitys behavior seriously as well as delusional. Your litigation proceedings against a poker site that doesn't pay its players is akin to pissing into the wind. This game protect numb nuts sounds like the guy that was crusading against lock in this forum and claiming he would win his lawsuits against lock pros. There is nothing that was ever done to a site that didn't pay its players so don't waste peoples time.

[Game Protect]

WRONG! It was listed in sevral poker news outlets that lock got the boot after missing payment.

Who told them that Lock got the boot after missing payment and where is the proof of their statement?

You obviously don't know that licensing sites like the curacos will license anyone as long as they pay their licensing fees.

No. Thank you for the info.

You are ill informed if you believe that curaco takes equitys behavior seriously as well as delusional.

I can of course not withhold with experts like you or SantaCruz, but if Full Flush got booted because of not paying the license fee and wanted to continue (like they say), then they would have already something else, wouldn't they?

But as everyone could see, they were booted unexpected and server and website is down and they had to provisionally create a wordpress site to say hello.

Your litigation proceedings against a poker site that doesn't pay its players is akin to pissing into the wind.

Based on what?

This game protect numb nuts sounds like the guy that was crusading against lock in this forum and claiming he would win his lawsuits against lock pros.

Game Protect do not claim to win lawsuits, a read on the website might be recommendable.

There is nothing that was ever done to a site that didn't pay its players so don't waste peoples time.

Your false and misleading statement is not in accordance with the info I have

[nunbeater]

OK, so what has been done to punish any site that ripped off the people that played there?

edited to add, keeping pokerstars and full tilt out of this conversation obv