you guys almost got your wish.
it was a no bail warrant. but it got taken care of the moment my attorney filed a motion to advance. Tuesday though, Larry might be gone for a while.
but until then!!!!!!!!!
I get to keep (shit)posting.
you guys almost got your wish.
it was a no bail warrant. but it got taken care of the moment my attorney filed a motion to advance. Tuesday though, Larry might be gone for a while.
but until then!!!!!!!!!
I get to keep (shit)posting.
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Originally Posted by LarryLaffer
Use of weed in Colorado has stayed perfectly flat since full legalization. Even in teenagers.I already stated the prescription pill addiction problem as recent evidence that availability and legitimacy causes a far greater level of addiction.
Your quoting of prohibition of ages ago doesn't mean anything. Almost all adults alive then are dead now, and society is drastically different.
European countries are also apples-and-oranges comparisons to the US. Different cultures. Different makeup. Different social issues.
You are incorrectly assuming that most people on hard drugs are simply physically addicted and would stop if they could. That's definitely not the case here. Legitimizing and making hard drugs easily available will simply create more addicts, and many more people will try these state-sanctioned drugs, assuming that it has to be fine if it's legal. It will become a huge mess. The United States is not known for its citizenry acting in moderation. Why do you think this country has one of the worst obesity problems of large population countries?
The sad thing is that you are advocating full legalization simply to get the prison population down. Why? Nobody is forced to deal drugs. Everyone has it under their own control whether they end up in prison for selling drugs. In fact, society is better off with many of these people in prison, as they are unlikely to be productive members of society if out on the streets. Again you are assuming that a lot of these imprisoned dealers are simply good people who just got caught up in a bad thing. I am contending that this is the extreme minority of imprisoned drug dealers.
I have known friends and acquaintances over time who briefly dealt drugs to supplement their income. While these were not bad people, their reason for dealing was clear, and in fact they admitted it to me. The money was good, and it was easy. It wasn't huge money, but it was quick, easy, and far more than they could make at a full time job. They took the lazy way out when it came to acquiring money. None of these people I knew got caught, and in fact I talked some of them out of continuing before anything happened. Still, they were clearly doing it out of greed, and they knew the risks. While I wouldn't have been happy to see these people caught and imprisoned for it, I also wouldn't have shouted that it was a miscarriage of justice if it happened.
http://fusion.net/story/317481/colorado-teens-weed-use/
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
Last edited by NaturalBornHustler; 07-07-2016 at 01:50 PM.
Almost all violations are no bail.
And then they just hit you with time served when you go to court and it is over with.
It'll prolly be a few more years before grandmothers there learn that pot is legal (they tend to be slow on the uptake). Then watch out!!! CO will have an epidemic of seniors massively overdosing on pot brownies and other grandmotherly pot-infused baked goods.Use of weed in Colorado has stayed perfectly flat since full legalization. Even in teenagers.
http://fusion.net/story/317481/colorado-teens-weed-use/
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
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I'm too dyslexic to read that.
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[QUOTE=LarryLaffer;559328]Most important addiction study but git little attention due to the regans.
Still too many words -- including big ones like "nuance" -- for most conservos to likely comprehend. (But we can hold out hope.)
I'm too dyslexic to read that.
Most important addiction study but git little attention due to the regans.
Last edited by MumblesBadly; 07-08-2016 at 12:48 PM. Reason: Fixed the quotes
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[QUOTE=BetCheckBet;559344]Verrrry interestink. Never heard of this study. Of course, a lot of new or potential addicts are dropped into conditions that are dismal and while there are a number of ways to "escape" the one they see a lot is the one those around them have chosen.
Addiction itself is a vice and in essence has been criminalized while many others have not. Coupled with poverty or abuse, the chances of climbing our phony social ladder will be slim.
And here I thought I was just very dedicated.
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update:
on tuesday my lawyer went to quash my warrant in court. I was not with her obviously. She was told that she has to wait 3 business days before her motion to advance would be heard, so my next court date is on tuesday
on thursday I arrived at my probation meeting at the scheduled time and was told that usually, in a situation like mine, when someone comes in with a bench warrant they're required to call local PD, and have me taken in. But since my lawyer acted swiftly (it's what i pay her for) and the motion finally showed up in their computer system (an hour before i walked in i was told) that they weren't going to do that. I dropped, and went home. if I had called before i went in, I would've been told that I didn't need to, and to just show up in court on Tuesday.
So on tuesday, I get to face the music. Most likely, it will be a revocation of bail, and a new bail will be set (it happened once before I was on an Ibond, and it changed to a D bond) and i'll spend a day in the bullpens waiting to get out (someone will be ready with bail to be posted immediately).
this happened to me last year on the first bullshit violation (that the PO actually got in trouble for as well as he let me leave instead of making me wait to take the drug test. He wouldn't let the water naturally go through my body and essentially told me to either piss on command or it's a VOP).
I will half agree with the haters here, that this is essentially all my fault. But if they're gonna take a years worth of progress, and shit on it over one dirty drop (lets be honest, there's far worse ways to catch a VOP, like killing someone, driving drunk, wreckless driving, not showing up to a meeting, getting caught with a fire arm like lil' wayne did) then I guess it'll be just another example of how the system is set up to keep you in, no matter how hard you try to leave.
I was also not shown the exact reasoning for the failed drop, as a dilluted sample is also considered a dirty drop. I was told by the judge that he didn't care if i had to drink a gallon of water beforehand, that i was gonna drop.
so yeah.
throw the tomatoes if you want. But this time, I'm gonna stand tall (just like I've done before)
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This is interesting...
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/311504.phpThe results of the analysis revealed that the overall use of prescription medication fell during the 3-year period. For example, daily doses of prescription drugs for pain and depression fell by 1,826 and 265, respectively.
These findings indicate that many people are turning to medical marijuana as an alternative treatment.
The researchers estimated that in 2013, this reduced prescription drug use led to a total savings of $165.2 million. What is more, they estimated that if all U.S. states had legalized medical marijuana in 2013, this could have led to a saving of around $468 million.
$468mm isn't enough money for asshat conservos to even blink. they don't even consider that "saving" anything.
Colorado is almost in the billions in tax revenue from legalized cannabis. when the number has that many zeros, conservo republicans go crazy at the amount of money it made.
but the article does make a good point: more people are waking up the the notion that opioids aren't the solution anymore.
If Druff had access to medical marijuana, would he use it? Probably not. he'd probably choose to live in pain for whatever reason because of his fear of being addicited to RX pain killers
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Potentially dumb question (but with a potentially shocking indictment of the drug testing regime): Does a required "drug" test also test one's blood alcohol level?
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LoL maybe. It depends. USUALLY, a BAL is determined through either a breathalyzer test or a blood test. Urinalysis tests typically only look for metabolites of drugs that haven't been taken out of the system. In the case of alcohol, i'm not sure if it would show up as the metabolites of alcohol usually aren't present in urine, but rather the alcohol itself is. In the case of cannabis, they test for what's called THC-COOH which is the metabolite of THC. The detection window for that metabolite can be anywhere from 3 days to about 30 (with the mean being about 10 days for heavy smokers) but it all depends on your metabolism, body to fat ratio, and how much you've smoked.Potentially dumb question (but with a potentially shocking indictment of the drug testing regime): Does a required "drug" test also test one's blood alcohol level?
The myth that it takes 30 days is perpetuated by drug companies who make detox products and by studies that were wrongly conducted in the 80's which in the early 2000's were disproved. This is all according to the National Drug Court Institute.
typical urinalysis tests set the threshold at 50/ngml. After about a week, in heavy smokers, it's unlikely that one will test positive for marijuana.
http://www.ndci.org/sites/default/fi...n_Window_0.pdf
other drugs have different detection times, with opioids typically having a half life of 4 days etc.
there are a number of substances that can give a false positive for marijuana, Ibuprofen is a common one.
Also, i've taken drug tests after a night of drinking and I haven't had a problem because it's a legal substance i'm allowed to have. But i'm sure if i showed up to a probation meeting half in the bag, i'd surely get in trouble.
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George Steinbrenner
also, RE the accuracy rate of drug tests:
according to this article standard drug tests can give a false + or a false - 21% of the time. This is why I find it egregious that I wasn't given a chance to take the test again before it turned into a VOP.
now I don't know how my samples get tested, but I can only assume that it's done this way (because there's literally thousands a week being done by the probation department) because these "strip" tests are the cheapest way to do it. The samples are collected and then sent off to a lab to be tested. Some people get the dipstick test right there in the probation office but others have theirs sent away. it all depends on the protocol of the probation office you go to.
I do know that at the court house, they use a dipstick test.
http://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stori...-false-results
“If we were in another area of medicine, let’s say oncology, and you had a tumor marker or a test that you were going to base important treatment decisions on, and it was as inaccurate as immunoassay is, the oncologists would never stand for it.”I highly doubt any municipality is going to shell out a thousand dollars (times thousands of drug tests weekly) for probation drug tests, so it's safe to say that they use POC tests.A laboratory test that uses chromatography-mass-spectrometry to break down and identify individual molecules is far more accurate than an immunoassay POC test, but it could cost thousands of dollars -- something many insurers and patients are unwilling to pay for.
for something that can decide ones freedom or not, 21% is a rather high number in terms of false positive accuracy rate. Another example of how the system is designed to keep you in it as long as possible.
Last edited by LarryLaffer; 07-09-2016 at 02:39 AM.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
George Steinbrenner
also, this is a business remember. and these companies want to sell these bogus tests.
A growing number of doctors who treat addicts and chronic pain patients require them to submit to random drug screens. And some companies and government agencies also require employees and job applicants to submit to POC tests as a condition of employment.
The competition between drug screening companies for this business is intense. According to one estimate, drug testing has grown into a lucrative $4 billion dollar a year industry -- “liquid gold” as some have called it – that is projected to reach $6.3 billion by 2019.
But addiction experts say more reliable and expensive testing is needed, simply to be fair to patients.
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George Steinbrenner
A false positive can be detrimental to a patient by subjecting her to unjust suspicion or accusations, unnecessary adjustments to the treatment plan, or the deterioration of the practitioner-patient relationship. A false negative may result in delayed diagnosis or misdiagnosis, false confidence that a patient has not relapsed, and failure to catch behavior that could eventual result in a preventable overdose death. Therefore, chromatography-mass-spectrometry is often more appropriate.”
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
George Steinbrenner
To sum this all up, we can conclude a few things here:
one: marijuana being a schedule one controlled substance is a major factor in our incarceration rate, as the number of people in the system for marijuana offenses is extremely high. (750,000 people a year are arrested for marijuana offenses)
two: unreliable drug testing used by probationers is a factor in keeping people in the system, as your word that it could be a false result is never taken seriously. You're the criminal on probation remember
three: the false result rate of the common test used by municipalities is so high, that it shouldn't be used as a benchmark when making decisions about ones freedom.
Last edited by LarryLaffer; 07-09-2016 at 03:12 AM.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
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MumblesBadly: Good info, but material correction: the 21% inaccurate result rate includes both false positives (bad for innocents) AND false negatives (good for the not-innocent).
I agree good for the not innocent, but for the sake of argument, the 21% false positive rating is what counts for people on probation as a positive result on any test can land you in jail. The false negative rating would have an affect on people who are in drug treatment programs.
Last edited by LarryLaffer; 07-09-2016 at 09:29 AM. Reason: goof=good mumnbles2016
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