Never said it wasn't funny as fuck. I'm saying he's the last person who should be throwing that particular accusation around.Originally Posted by Dan Druff
In his defense, Chaps' actions resulted in both a HOF thread and the end to the longrunning skatz/Druff wars.
In hindsight, it was a great thing he did.
wrenchmonkey has never heard of the term Civil Disobedience and never heard of the term Jury Nullification.
here hold on, I'll search the Internet for you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
now I'll quote the jury nullification for you since you probably won't click that.
in a criminal trial, a jury nullifies by acquitting a defendant, even though the members of the jury may believe that the defendant did the illegal act, yet they don't believe he or she should be punished for it. This may occur when members of the jury disagree with the law the defendant has been charged with breaking, or believe that the law should not be applied in that particular case.
so you see, there are ways to just say fuck you to the system when you think it's unfair and JN is a great way to do it.
but guess what, jurors are RARELY informed about this.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
George Steinbrenner
Half the population?
What are you talking about?
If people are selling bags of weed for essentially minimum wage, they're stupid, because they can make that same minimum wage at a regular job without risking going to prison.
I am fine with the bottom-level dealers getting off without prosecution if they assist in the arrest and prosecution of the upper level dealers.
I'm not understanding what you think should be done?
Just allow people to deal drugs without consequence?
Legalize all drugs to eliminate the drug trade, and get a large percentage of our country addicted to hard drugs?
Neither of these options are realistic.
Well, empower yourself, inform your jury during your PV hearing, and let us know how it works out for ya.
In his defense, Chaps' actions resulted in both a HOF thread and the end to the longrunning skatz/Druff wars.
In hindsight, it was a great thing he did.
I'm halfway through that golden thread. it's so fucking epic. whoever linked it for me I should pay the money's
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
George Steinbrenner
If you engage in civil disobedience and get away with it, then great job, I guess.
The problem is that you are taking a big risk with your own life, record, and freedom, and generally it's not worth doing, even if you feel strongly about a cause.
When I was in college, some idiot kids thought they were cool by emulating their parents from the Vietnam era by protesting the 1991 Gulf War. Some of these kids decided to "occupy" one of the school administration buildings, and refuse to leave when it closed at 5pm. The police gave them several warnings to leave. They refused, and all (about 150 of them) were arrested. They all ended up with a criminal record for trespassing, which is something you don't want when you are going to college to get a career started.
They thought they were being edgy and standing up for what was right, but what the fuck were they really doing? How does occupying a college administration building affect the Gulf War? It absolutely doesn't. They just wanted to feel like they were taking some kind of action, even if that action was meaningless and self-defeating.
That's what you have to consider when you engage in any form of civil disobedience.
It's a little different when you're standing up to a situation which directly affected you.
In college, there was one and only one time when I was willing to get arrested. I think I've mentioned it before.
As a resident of the dorms, I had a "meal plan" which entitled me to 3 hot meals per day in the cafeteria. There were 3 cafeterias to choose from. However, their new electronic system would only let you visit one cafeteria per meal. Once your card was "swiped", you couldn't go to another cafeteria for that meal.
So I went to dinner, they swiped my card, and then I found out their boiler was broken and there was no hot food. I said, "Okay, well obviously there's almost nothing to eat here, please give me a note so I can go to one of the other cafeterias instead."
They refused, telling me I could eat cereal or fruit or whatever cold stuff they had left. I told them that I wasn't getting what I paid for (a hot meal), and it was ridiculous that they couldn't simply give me a note allowing me into one of the other two cafeterias which had working boilers (and thus hot meals), which I had prepaid for.
I also pointed out that they made a mistake not informing me about the boiler before swiping my card. If they had told me, I would have taken my card back and gone to one of the other cafeterias instead.
Again, the manager told me to eat shit, and that I just had to deal with it.
I walked out furious, and decided I would go to one of the other cafeterias, politely explain my situation, and if they didn't let me in, I was going to force my way in anyway, and let the police arrest me if necessary. Then I was going to sue the school for false arrest if this were to occur.
I was determined to get what I paid for. As silly as it seems, I wasn't going to stand for them ripping me off like this, and refusing to slightly bend their "policy" for a very common sense solution which I was entitled to by law.
I never had to deal with getting arrested because the other cafeteria decided my request was reasonable, and they let me in. But I was totally willing to take it that far.
thanks for the stories. but you still haven't answered my question about your thoughts on drug scheduling. I wonder why.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
George Steinbrenner
Larry i hope you realize that by admitting to using drugs while serving a suspended sentence with prison timing swinging over your head you forfeit the right to be taken seriously by anyone. The fact that youre getting any replies here is shocking.
I'm sorry, where did I admit that? this is a misunderstanding. I've been clean for over a year now, passed every single drug test so far (including 2 in one month) so yeah. sorry. I'd be long gone before I even saw PFA if I was still using and failing drug tests.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
George Steinbrenner
What in the actual fuck are you on?
Here's the OP of this very thread.
I never disagreed with your point wrench. I disagreed with trying to convince a likely severe addict that his troubles are all his fault. Obviously he has choices and is making the wrong ones but if hes telling the entire truth (obv not likely) and he ends up in prison for smoking grass then id say its fine for him to complain about the state of things in this country.
The larry vs druff debate is just insane. Druff is more likely to call the cops on larry for looking suspicious than to ever engage him in a real conversation if this wasnt happening on the internet.
not 100% accurate or fool proof means they give false positives. when I'm done with work I'll edit this post with the information I have from the National Drug Court Insitute regarding the accuracy of drug tests.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
George Steinbrenner
Or you could spend that time doing something that will improve your life somehow. This thread is already tldr enough without more of your poor me nonsense.
I know if i was in your place and dropped dirty knowing i hadnt done shit i wouldnt have left the office until it was cleared up. I highly doubt theyd refuse you if you asked for another test.
Aaaaand now i realize im doing what i thought wrench was burning daylight by doing.
Druff-
Dont ban larry for being an alleged shitposter. Ban him for his own good.
Or you could spend that time doing something that will improve your life somehow. This thread is already tldr enough without more of your poor me nonsense.
I know if i was in your place and dropped dirty knowing i hadnt done shit i wouldnt have left the office until it was cleared up. I highly doubt theyd refuse you if you asked for another test.
that's not how it works where I am. they send them away to be tested. but keep thinking you know everything about the probation system where I am at.
and honestly, idgaf what some random asshole on the Internet thinks of my situation at all. the point of this thread was to highlight that we are not a free country as we have more people behind bars per capita than anyone else in the world.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
George Steinbrenner
Awesome, so it's all wrapped up.
Lock thread, ship to hall of shit. Nothing more to see here folks, move along.
one thing this thread did point out however, is how absurd some of the collective thinking at PFA is. like very absurd. half of you think it's ok to jail everyone.
it's kinda funny actually.
I think I'm just about done with this thread.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
George Steinbrenner
no keep it open. Druff will have more civil disobedience stories for us and more absurd views on crime and punishment. all while avoiding the one question that he won't answer for whatever reason.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
George Steinbrenner
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