So it wasn't Columbus who discovered America..... It was....

[Sloppy Joe]

This is news?

I think I learned this when I was 11 years old.

[Hockey Guy]

This is news?

I think I learned this when I was 11 years old.

I can only imagine how bad the education system in their countries must be for this to be news to anybody.

Everything in this thread is common fucking knowledge, or so I thought.

[MumblesBadly]

This is news?

I think I learned this when I was 11 years old.

I can only imagine how bad the education system in their countries must be for this to be news to anybody.

Everything in this thread is common fucking knowledge, or so I thought.

The claim that petroglyphs are 3300 year-old Shang Dynasty-era characters is a new one to me. I'm completely suspicous of that claim. And since the claimant is a former chemist, I'm guessing that he cleverly fabricated them.

[MumblesBadly]

To Hockey Guy for red repping me above with a question/comment asking "where did Siberians come from", implying they came from China: By that logic, we could also ask where the Chinese came from. And where their ancestors came from. And so on. But anthrologists typical identify the immediate ancestral group that made a major migration or invasion of a discovered land. And in the case of the majority of the Native Americans, those would be Siberians. Else folks would, by your logic, reference how Africans discovered the New World in 1492. Because all modern humans are mostly descendant from Africans from about 200,00 years ago.

[Hockey Guy]

To Hockey Guy for red repping me above with a question/comment asking "where did Siberians come from", implying they came from China: By that logic, we could also ask where the Chinese came from. And where their ancestors came from. And so on. But anthrologists typical identify the immediate ancestral group that made a major migration or invasion of a discovered land. And in the case of the majority of the Native Americans, those would be Siberians. Else folks would, by your logic, reference how Africans discovered the New World in 1492. Because all modern humans are mostly descendant from Africans from about 200,00 years ago.

Seriously, just STFU.

For you to think that it somehow needed clarification that they came from Siberia & not China is just fucking retarded. They had to walk through Siberia to get to North America no matter where they came from so you added absolutely nothing with that comment.

It's been scientifically accepted that the first native north americans were of Chinese/Mongol descent &, ironically enough, so were most of the people of Siberia.

[MumblesBadly]

To Hockey Guy for red repping me above with a question/comment asking "where did Siberians come from", implying they came from China: By that logic, we could also ask where the Chinese came from. And where their ancestors came from. And so on. But anthrologists typical identify the immediate ancestral group that made a major migration or invasion of a discovered land. And in the case of the majority of the Native Americans, those would be Siberians. Else folks would, by your logic, reference how Africans discovered the New World in 1492. Because all modern humans are mostly descendant from Africans from about 200,00 years ago.

Seriously, just STFU.

For you to think that it somehow needed clarification that they came from Siberia & not China is just fucking retarded. They had to walk through Siberia to get to North America no matter where they came from so you added absolutely nothing with that comment.

It's been scientifically accepted that the first native north americans were of Chinese/Mongol descent &, ironically enough, so were most of the people of Siberia.

You are fudging your original statement by mentioning Mongolians, who are NOT Chinese. Also, why do the research papers referenced in the Wikipedia article on not mention the Chinese ancestry Native Americans, but do mention Siberians?

The genetic history of indigenous peoples of the Americas primarily focuses on Human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroups and Human mitochondrial DNA haplogroups.[1] Autosomal "atDNA" markers are also used, but differ from mtDNA or Y-DNA in that they overlap significantly.[2] The genetic pattern indicates Indigenous Amerindians experienced two very distinctive genetic episodes; first with the initial peopling of the Americas, and secondly with European colonization of the Americas.[3][4] The former is the determinant factor for the number of gene lineages, zygosity mutations and founding haplotypes present in today's Indigenous Amerindian populations.[5]

Analyses of genetics among Native American and Siberian populations have been used to argue for early isolation of founding populations on Beringia[6] and for later, more rapid migration [/b]from Siberia[/b] through Beringia into the New World.[7] The microsatellite diversity and distributions of the Y lineage specific to South America indicates that certain Amerindian populations have been isolated since the initial colonization of the region.[8] The Na-Dené, Inuit and Indigenous Alaskan populations exhibit Haplogroup Q-M242; however, they are distinct from other indigenous Amerindians with various mtDNA and atDNA mutations.[9][10][11] This suggests that the peoples who first settled the northern extremes of North America and Greenland derived from later migrant populations than those who penetrated further south in the Americas.[12][13] Linguists and biologists have reached a similar conclusion based on analysis of Amerindian language groups and ABO blood group system distributions.[14][15][16]

There is general agreement among anthropologists that the source populations for the migration into the Americas originated from an area somewhere east of the Yenisei River. The common occurrence of the mtDNA Haplogroups A, B, C, and D among eastern Asian and Native American populations has long been recognized, along with the presence of Haplogroup X.[27] As a whole, the greatest frequency of the four Native American associated haplogroups occurs in the Altai-Baikal region of southern Siberia.[28] Some subclades of C and D closer to the Native American subclades occur among Mongolian, Amur, Japanese, Korean, and Ainu populations.

[MumblesBadly]

To Hockey Guy for red repping me above with a question/comment asking "where did Siberians come from", implying they came from China: By that logic, we could also ask where the Chinese came from. And where their ancestors came from. And so on. But anthrologists typical identify the immediate ancestral group that made a major migration or invasion of a discovered land. And in the case of the majority of the Native Americans, those would be Siberians. Else folks would, by your logic, reference how Africans discovered the New World in 1492. Because all modern humans are mostly descendant from Africans from about 200,00 years ago.

Seriously, just STFU.

For you to think that it somehow needed clarification that they came from Siberia & not China is just fucking retarded. They had to walk through Siberia to get to North America no matter where they came from so you added absolutely nothing with that comment.

It's been scientifically accepted that the first native north americans were of Chinese/Mongol descent &, ironically enough, so were most of the people of Siberia.

To dispell your misunderstanding that Mongolians are descendants of Chinese, note that the Mongolian language is in a completely different language group from Chinese.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_language

Mongolian is distantly related to the Khitan language. It belongs to the Northern Asian linguistic area including the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Korean and Japonic languages. These languages have been grouped under the still-debated Altaic language family and contrasted with the Mainland Southeast Asia linguistic area.

And if you have ever heard a native Mongolian speak (which I have, playing poker with a few of them in AC back in the day), you'd know that unlike Chinese, but like related Korean and Japanese, it is not a tonal language.

[LegallyNonBindingPosts]

Can't I just set my DVR and skip through the bullshit commercials etc?

PBS is broadcasting a Nova program with new evidence that the Vikings traveled farther south than proven before. It starts 9 pm Vegas time tonight the 6th, check your local station and set the DVR to start 3 or 4 minutes after the posted start and you should avoid the ads. Check if it rebroadcasts after midnight if you already missed the first 25 minutes.

[4Dragons]

Nova Vikings episode stream link: http://vodlocker.com/69n5ois3i6cj

Very well done.