Time for Druff to abandon his delusion about George W. Bush and the Iraq War

[The_Lurker]

WE fucking killed hundred of thousands of people. The only way we could ever justify that is if they were pouring onto our beaches.

Wrong is Wrong

Saddam killed 500,000 people during his regime, and I'm not talking about deaths in our war there in 2003.

He was a really bad guy, and he was obsessed with conquering the region.

One interesting thing about Saddam is that he wasn't religiously motivated. So he wasn't one of those fundamentalist religious nutsos in the Middle East. He just liked power.

I'm saying that people were going to die in Iraq in mass numbers whether we invaded or not.

So you are saying it was right of us to kill hundreds of thousands people because Saddam was a wack job?

[Dan Druff]

Saddam killed 500,000 people during his regime, and I'm not talking about deaths in our war there in 2003.

He was a really bad guy, and he was obsessed with conquering the region.

One interesting thing about Saddam is that he wasn't religiously motivated. So he wasn't one of those fundamentalist religious nutsos in the Middle East. He just liked power.

I'm saying that people were going to die in Iraq in mass numbers whether we invaded or not.

So you are saying it was right of us to kill hundreds of thousands people because Saddam was a wack job?

Nope. I am saying that he was killing his own people at an alarming rate, so people ending up dying in the process of taking him out of power would probably result in fewer people overall dying.

[The_Lurker]

So you are saying it was right of us to kill hundreds of thousands people because Saddam was a wack job?

Nope. I am saying that he was killing his own people at an alarming rate, so people ending up dying in the process of taking him out of power would probably result in fewer people overall dying.

I will say it again. How would you feel if any member of your family died because of any violent action?


Your rationalizing of this makes me sad.

[Sloppy Joe]

This is not a story in the traditional sense. There is no plot, there is only a small hint at the end about motivation and that there is a wider story. It is a description of a sexual event. It was inspired by seeing some photos on a blog about sex between men of disparate sizes. It is told from the perspective of the small guy.



Naked. Face down. Flat on the floor. Staring at a carpet. Big hands on my hips holding my butt firmly. Motionless. Positioned by him. Made ready to be taken. No squirming possible. His hands shift, press on my back, holding me down. Still. Helpless. His body, huge, much taller, broader, more muscular and heavier. My frame, short, compact.

A long, wide, hard shaft is placed down the length of my ass cheeks. His big engorged cockhead drags up and down my ass cleavage, searching for the entry point. The cockhead finds its mark. His hands go to my hips, pulling. Pressure. The tip of the cockhead pushing into me, millimetres at a time, forcing me open. The aching begins, my butt stretching as the thick cockhead gains preliminary entry. A moan from my throat, a response to the ache. There is no let up. My hips pulled harder. The large flared cockhead drives aside my flesh, making room for itself. More pressure and, suddenly, the bulbous cockhead is in me, past the muscle ring. A sharp jolt. Meaty hands hold me still as I jerk with the pain.

The girth of his cock holds my ass cheeks wide. Its great length moves deeper inside me, inch by inch, disappearing. I feel its progress, pushing into me, the width of the cockhead and shaft shift my insides to make way for the entire thickness and magnitude of his cock. The aching continues. The huge cock still moves deeper into me. I try to shift, change the angle of entry. The full weight of his big body suddenly comes down on me, focused on my butt. His cock slams in. I am pinned to the floor. Immobilized. The aching intensifies.

Heat from his enormous thighs pressed to my butt cheeks radiates, hot on my ass. His large hands covering much of my back are hot as they press me down. He shifts his hips, changing the angle of his penetration and slips deeper into my butt. The aching continues. I can feel my insides shifting, shoved aside by the massive intruder.

His hands move and he lays fully on me, his cock is all the way in. My own cock and balls trapped between me and the floor, flattened by his weight. His stroking begins. His cock moves in and out, short distances. Slowly the ache disappears. The rock hard hugeness inside me moves freely, quicker and quicker. His big body is on top of me. Weighing on me, controlling any movement. I feel sweat from his body on my skin. I hear his moans, his excitement. I feel his breath on my neck, smell his body, feel the sensations in my butt as he strokes in rapidly. I am held fast, immobilized by the large guy's weight and strength. I now know I will be held still throughout. I will not move, nor shift of my own accord. I am now only a warm fleshy conduit for the thrusts of his solid, thick cock. No participation is possible by me.

A pause, his cock is now shifting from side to side with his hips. More stretching to accommodate the new motion. More aching. I'm filled fully. I hear sounds of his pleasure above me. He takes slow deep strokes into me. Clearly I'm dominated. Pinned to the floor. Trapped. Carpet below; hot, sweaty, thrusting hips pressing on me from above. Broad, thick hips humping my butt slowly, pulling out his cock, then driving it back in. I realize I am now intimately connected to the big body by his monster rod exploring far inside me, surrounded by me. Part of him in me, plundering my ass freely as he desires. His hard, hot flesh inside me, connecting me to him, controlling me. I feel helpless. My ass and his cock are sharing bodily warmth as he strokes into my butt. He is doing what he wants, at his pace. He is enjoying the sensations. My motionless body providing sexual stimulation to his bulging thick shaft. He strokes in slowly, moaning at the sexual sensations of his cock slipping through my flesh.

Wide hands grip my hips, move me to a different angle. I have no choice, no controlled movement, my whole body is placed by him where he desires. He takes his weight on his knees, but his hands hold my hips to him solidly. I am moved into a doggie style position, on my hands and knees. More thrusting as he kneels behind me, his hands tightly holding my hips, controlling all my movement. He is changing pace, pulls all the way out, slaps my ass, then plunges in deep. My ass is stinging. He repeats the slapping.

He leans fully over me, his long arms and legs rest on the floor. I am still on my hands and knees, trapped, fully under him, still connected to him by his enormous cock. I feel his hot sweaty torso on my back, his legs on the backs of my legs, his arms on the fronts of my arms. He envelops me. I feel his breath on my neck, I hear his panting, his mouth is inches from my ear. I am surrounded by his overwhelming body, engulfed by his size. His huge cock buried in me, moving in me. I am blanketed by him, his body has invaded mine, imposing his desires and will on me. He pauses, a moment frozen in time, I am enveloped by his steamy body, his massive hot cock deep in my stretched butt claiming his pleasure. His paramountcy established as his body surrounds mine, he absorbs the satisfaction of his full appropriation of my smaller, now compliant body for his own sexual delight.

I cannot move but he can. He begins to flex his hips, driving his monster cock in and out of me. Pleasuring himself with my ass. He then begins to hump me, slowly, then faster. Suddenly he arches above me, weight on his knees, his back straightens, his hands move to my shoulders as his hips flex wildly. He is mounted on my ass like a gigantic dog taking a diminutive bitch in heat, his long hard cock connecting us, controlling me. He humps me like a dog, his flexing hips drive his cock rapidly in and out. I feel his fingernails scratching down my back like claws. His grunts sound like snarls. He freely fucks my ass as he is mounted over me. His nails scratch down my back again. He is the huge feral top dog. I play the role of the petite bitch in heat, sniffed out, caught by the head of the pack, fucked into submission by his huge cock, the pack leaders cum destined for my ass. His thick long cock plunders my ass at will. He draws himself up over me, tall, broad shouldered, to emphasize his supremacy over my little body.

He slows and drops back over me, hands on the floor, enveloping me again with his hot sweaty body. He clearly enjoys this position, humping me longer and longer while I am fully trapped. His paramountcy self evident. His hard rod pistoning in and out of my ass while his immense body surrounds mine.

The thrusting slows then stops, I'm still held doggie style, but he leans back on to his knees. Using his hands and strength, he pulls and pushes my hips back and forth. My whole body, my ass is moved back and forth over his thick, long shaft. His hands on my hips pull my widely stretched butt onto his rigid, motionless thick shaft. Again and again he moves my body, slowly pushes me away, exposing most of the shaft of his cock to the air, then he pulls me quickly to his thighs, his rigid pole motionless as I'm pulled on to it. He does it slowly, he does it quicker. He does it hard and my ass slams into his thighs. My whole body is being pushed and pulled. His great strength easily moves my light body. Again and again his long rigid thick shaft impales my ass as I am pulled back to his hips. He moves my hips at will, I have no control, he shifts the angle of impaling my butt on his monster shaft. He twists my hips while pulling so I rotate on his hard rod while it is impaling my butt. He moans loudly in enjoyment.

The image of my body turned into a living Fleshlight flits through my mind. My ass is used to surround his monstrous cock with compliant flesh, a warm, living toy. Then he moves me back and forth over his rod, at whatever speed he wants, fully controlling his own sexual gratification. Masturbating, using my fully controlled butt to provide the sexual stimulation. His big cock being pleasured by a compliant living breathing sex toy. The inside of my ass keeps his cock aroused and hard, increasing his sexual satisfaction.

His panting breath flows over my sweat covered back. I'm pushed flat on my chest onto to the floor. His cock comes out of me. He kneels behind and drives his cock deep. I am trapped between the floor and his massive moving body. I groan with the pain as my own balls are trapped and crushed by the blow. Large thighs are pressed to the back of mine. His humping of my ass starts again, slowly. He lays on my back. His body radiates heat. Sweat collects between us.

I cannot move. I am not even able to push my hips back. He shifts his weight, laying fully on my back, my chest pressed to the rug. The domination of my short body continues. His skin is pressed to mine. I am feeling panic rising from being trapped, from my ass being continually ravaged. My butt fully subservient, being used for self indulgence, for sexual pleasure, for generating more excitement. I feel the sensations of the huge cock pumping in and out of me while immobilized, unable to move. The hot massive wide pole stroking into me at will, freely plunging deep into by my captive warm butt at the speed and depth he wants. His massive body on me makes my body seem even smaller. I try to squirm away, my panic is seeping out. I want to move. I want the monster out of my butt. With one deep thrust his whole weight descends on my butt. I am speared by his huge cock as its driven deep into my ass. My thighs crushed to the rug. I cease squirming. He continues, his prerogative to fuck me how he wants reaffirmed. The role of my flesh is to provide him with sexual excitement, sexual fulfillment, shifted only to provide more stimulation for him. He grunts as he takes whatever pleasure he wants with my ass.

Then deep, deep thrusting, rapid intensity. He raises himself up off my back. His strong hands grabbing my small hips and pulling my butt, driving his large hard cock deeper. The shaft is growing even longer in me, stretching, my insides shoved aside, creating more space for the growing monster rock hard cock. I ache but it turns to numbness. There is louder grunting and groaning from above, rapid hot breath is panting on my neck, his gigantic hips slamming into me. His cock is driven far into me, rapidly. His hard cock, a javelin driving into me. I hear a loud cry, I feel his back arch, his hands push down on my shoulders, his hips flex and his now extended cock buries itself even deeper in my ass. His balls begin to empty his cum. His cum shot far into my trapped butt. He moans. Sharp thrusts, more cum shooting deep into me. The leader of the pack filling the little stray bitch with his cum. A long groan emits from his throat, my body being filled by his cum, my body used to generate his sexual self-gratification. Used as a fuck toy, used to excite his cock to massive size. My body now a receptacle for his fluid, for his cum. Again and again he pumps in. His cum makes my ass slippery, his thrusts are faster, easier. More moans of sexual release. His cock remains hard, his sweat profuse, his whole damp chest pressed to my back, his hips flexing, driving his cock in, his groans guttural as he pleasures his cock in my ass. He moans loudly as he shoots more cum with each deep stroke. The smell of sex fills my nose. A slowing of the pumping. I smell the scent of his cum oozing out around his cock. Then his body is on me as he collapses in exhaustion. His whole weight resting on me. I am pressed to the floor, still fully controlled. His ample cock throbbing in my butt. His thick rod providing an exclamation point to his large body's domination of my small body. His occupies my ass, his cum filling me, part of him still deep in me, his body encompassing mine.

I tighten my bum, squeezing his still hard cock. The one possible action I can do. I squeeze his cock hard. My first participation. I hear moans from above, then grunts. He uses his hands and lifts partially off my back. There are several more deep thrusts as he flexes his hips. I clamp and release my butt around the enormous tool. Groans as his balls squeeze more cum into me. Then short slow thrusts as the grunts grow louder in response to my clamping and releasing. My actions creating more sexual pleasure surrounding his thrusting cock. Then, one final pulling out, almost all the way, then he drives in, his hips flex hard, slamming my insides, his battering ram fills my ass. Another reminder of his body possessing mine, of his massive body's subjugation of my small body. With one last long groan, his balls ooze out even more of his cum. He stops, collapses fully on me again.

He is fully relaxed, dead weight. It is difficult breathing with his heavy body fully on me. I am squashed by his body, my butt still stretched by his wide cock. My ass is throbbing, his cock is still hard, buried deep in me. He lays on me, his sweaty body pressed on top of mine, fully covering my body, my arms, my legs. The scent of his sweat and cum permeates the air, his breath is hot on my cheek. I am dominated, used as a fully compliant sex toy.

Though he is only semi-conscious, my ass is still full of his hard cock and cum. His cock twitches again, sending a few last spurts of cum into me, his fleshy cum repository. Seconds turn to minutes. I'm flattened, barely able to breath. His large body still physically dominating and controlling my much shorter body, even after his climax, even after the last spurt of his cum splashed deeply in me. His large thick cock is still throbbing in my butt, stretching it, he is in no hurry to pull out. Staying in me as long as he wants. His sense of possession of my butt enhanced by his satiating release, by turning my butt into the holder of his cum. His long rod held in place by his dominating weight pressing his huge thighs to my butt. I cannot move him. His cock is in my butt at his pleasure. His breathing slows, he slowly shifts. I can feel his cock moving again in my butt. Finally he stirs, he rolls partially off, the semi-hard monster slowly drags out of my butt. He pauses, then the broad cockhead emerges with a pop and he rolls to the floor.

Relief, the monster is out of my body, I am no longer physically invaded, my ass seems large and empty. I am no longer connected by his rod like cock to his big body, no longer controlled, no longer physically dominated, no longer the human masturbation machine, no longer a living Fleshlight, no longer having his cock freely do what it wants in me. Cum is leaking out of my gaping, stretched open butt. I can breath again. The smell of cum, sweat and sex are overwhelming. My smaller body has been used for sex, for greedy self satisfaction of lust, intense, dominating selfish gratification. His large body, his size, his strength, his weight, his massive cock, made my body compliant, a controlled living fuck toy used to excite him sexually and create an incredible climax. I had become dominated, made a fleshy repository for his overflowing load of cum.

But more than that, my small body took in his big cock, it took in his bulbous cockhead, it took in all the length of his cock, it stretched to take in all the monster cock's breadth, it made room for all the deep thrusts, all the ravaging. The thick, long shaft fully disappeared into my small body's butt, all of it was taken into me. My small body took his weight, it took the smothering, it took all the humping, the plundering, the pumping, it took his dog like fucking, it took his domination, it took his control. My small body made his massive cock harder, thicker, longer. My role as the diminutive stray bitch in heat made him howl. My ass made him climax, it made him cum. My small butt took all the abundant cum his balls could shoot, it satiated his desires, it thrilled his body, it gratified his sexual craving, it provided dramatic sexual release. The petite captured bitch, took his massive cock, his wild pounding, emptied the balls of the leader of the pack and satisfied the monster cock.

His pleasure in my small ass makes him want to drive his cock into my butt again. He wants the experience of dominating my body, using my ass again and again. His sexual pleasure makes him lust after my ass. It makes him dream about burying his long, thick cock in me again. It invigorates his sexual desires. It makes his other experiences pale by comparison. He wants to drive his cock deep into my butt again, to make it his masturbation sheath. He wants supremacy, to remain leader of the pack, be the top dog and to fuck the ass of the little bitch, again forcing subservience. He wants his monster to ravage my ass again, make it his, to make me his submissive private repository for his copious cum. His large body craves possessing my diminutive butt. He wants the sense of primacy as he plunders my short body's ass, yielded to him as a result of his greater physical size. He yearns for the sense of paramountcy created as his larger body surrounds my smaller body, flexing his hips while his body envelopes me, to drive his cock into my compliant compact butt with rapid exhilaration. He deeply craves using my small ass to excite his cock to massive size and to more mind-numbing orgasms.

But he will never get his broad cockhead and lengthy thick shaft into my small butt ever again!! Once was enough, I proved it could be done!

[limitles]

I just heard a stat that there were more American soldiers of fortune than unfortunate soldiers in these latest Vietnams.

[cleatus]

I looked for the most conservative source of hard numbers I could quickly find and here they are from Business Insider. I never heard of Business Insider before but it sure isn't Huffington Post.
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-i...rs-2014-6?op=1

189,000: Direct war deaths, which doesn't include the hundreds of thousands more that died due to war-related hardships.
4,488:U.S. service personnel killed directly.
32,223: Troops injured (not including PTSD).
134,000: Civilians killed directly.
655,000: Persons who have died in Iraq since the invasion that would not have died if the invasion had not occurred.
150: Reporters killed.
2.8 million: Persons who remain either internally displaced or have fled the country.
$1.7 trillion: Amount in war expenses spent by the U.S. Treasury Department as through Fiscal Year 2013.
$5,000: Amount spent per second.
$350,000: Cost to deploy one American military member.
$490 billion: Amount in war benefits owed to war veterans.
$7 trillion: Projected interest payments due by 2053 (because the war was paid for with borrowed money).
$20 billion: Amount paid to KBR, contractor responsible for equipment and services.
$3 billion: Amount of KBR payments Pentagon auditors considered "questionable."
$60 billion: Amount paid for reconstruction, (which was ruled largely a waste due to corruption and shoddy work.)
$4 billion: Amount owed to the U.S. by Iraq before the invasion.
1.6 million: Gallons of oil used by U.S. forces each day in Iraq (at $127.68 a barrel).
$12 billion: Cost per month of the war by 2008.
$7 billion: Amount owed to Iraq by the U.S. after the war (mostly due to fraud).
$20 billion: Annual air conditioning cost.
Missing: $546 million in spare parts; 190,000 guns, including 110,000 AK-47s.
40 percent: Increase in Iraqi oil production.
$5 billion: Revenue from Iraqi oil in 2003.
$85 billion: Revenue from Iraqi oil in 2011.
$150 billion: Amount oil companies are expected to invest in oil development over the next decade.
$75 billion: Approximate amount expected to go to American subcontracting companies, largest of all Halliburton.
0: Nuclear Weapons of Mass Destruction found (though a bunch of chems were discovered).
Perhaps most importantly, this list doesn't account for the emotional damage caused to service members and their families as well as the destruction to the homes, social fabric, and psyche of the Iraqi people.

If anybody knows any positive effect on the life of any Americans outside of those who lined their pockets ripping off taxpayers one way or another during or after the war in Iraq please post it. I think George Bush was one of this nation's worst president ever, up there with Buchanan, Harding, Johnson, Hoover. Complete mental lightweight. Entirely guided in his decision making by Wolfowitz ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz), Rice, Rumsfeld and Cheney. Four of the most evil and/or greedy people to ever step foot in the White House. Bush was their sock puppet and sucked at that.
The number in the list that pisses me off the most is $1.7 trillion total up through FY 2013. Those of you with a humanist side can go with the 655K additional deaths in Iraq as a result of the war.

[Dan Druff]

I just heard a stat that there were more American soldiers of fortune than unfortunate soldiers in these latest Vietnams.

[limitles]

And the end result are warlords replacing the dictators.
Not to mention whats going oni the desert

[sonatine]

Say what you will about Mumbles, but boy does he press your buttons.

The fact that anyone even responded, much less took this thread to 2 pages, is simply embarrassing.

[MumblesBadly]

WE fucking killed hundred of thousands of people. The only way we could ever justify that is if they were pouring onto our beaches.

Wrong is Wrong

Saddam killed 500,000 people during his regime, and I'm not talking about deaths in our war there in 2003.

He was a really bad guy, and (1) he was obsessed with conquering the region.

One interesting thing about Saddam is that he wasn't religiously motivated. (2) So he wasn't one of those fundamentalist religious nutsos in the Middle East. He just liked power.

I'm saying that people were going to die in Iraq in mass numbers whether we invaded or not.

(1) Bullshit. Like any despot, he was obsessed with staying in power. And posturing as being stronger than he than actually so was a bluff he ran to keep Iran from rolling over him given how he knew he no longer had support from the US and Sunni Gulf states. And little know to most Americans, he invaded Kuwait in the early 1990s partly because those dickheads wouldnt give him a break on paying back loans for fighting the war againat Iran *which the Kuwaitis liked* because of their own concerns about Iran getting too powerful under the Shiite Islamist regime.

(2) He wasn't a religious fanatic, but because he was concerned about losing power internally, he started courting and supporting the Sunni fundamantalists in Iraq starting in the 1990s, and those folks eventually morphed into the leadership of ISIS.

The truth of the matter is that the neocons like Cheney were obsessed with controlling the Middle East, which is why they tricked the American public into supporting going to war againat Iraq, and tried their darnedest to start a war with Iran. And pushed for overthrowing Assad's regime.

And they still are. They *hate* that Obama negotiated a deal with Iran, *and* that the moderates in Iran are solidifying their hold on the government there. Because that reduces the likelihood of being able to fool the public into starting a war with Iran.

[DRK Star]

I don't buy the money-making conspiracy angle, either. [/url]

Its almost ALWAYS about money. I dont know many things in this world that arent.

[Tellafriend]

the wars (Afghanistan & Iraq) were stupid, but what made them especially bad was doing that after cutting taxes in 2001 & 2003

so to pay for the war he ran up the national debt something fierce...

No doubt, but what Bush did to our national debt pales in comparison to what Obama and both the Democrat and Republican Congresses did.

[limitles]

the wars (Afghanistan & Iraq) were stupid, but what made them especially bad was doing that after cutting taxes in 2001 & 2003

so to pay for the war he ran up the national debt something fierce...

No doubt, but what Bush did to our national debt pales in comparison to what Obama and both the Democrat and Republican Congresses did.

You mean by spending money on those who pay for everything?

I saw these two Ted Talks by chance recently and they both point to the derailment of what once worked.

[Sanlmar]

No doubt, but what Bush did to our national debt pales in comparison to what Obama and both the Democrat and Republican Congresses did.

You mean by spending money on those who pay for everything?

I saw these two Ted Talks by chance recently and they both point to the derailment of what once worked.

Of course, Obama's bailout's ftw. x5

The second this guy, Yanis, used China as an of capitalism in his first few opening sentences it was time to click. NPR is fun like that sometimes.

People confuse Capitalism (a meritocracy) with Democracy (every hopper gets a say). They are natural enemies.

But Capitalism isn't killing Democracy. In fact, both better join forces cause they are both on the endangered list.

Our government directed economy and corrupt & dysfunctional political system - what to call it? It needs a new name cause we Americans are the best at inventing shit.

[Dan Druff]

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/b...ds-found-iraq/

Oh, and apparently there WERE WMDs found in Iraq.

[gimmick]

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/b...ds-found-iraq/

Oh, and apparently there WERE WMDs found in Iraq.

That shit has been hashed here before. It's all very common knowledge just as the source of a lot of chemical and biological weapons is known to be US.



"U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record."...from the dude that did Riegle Report in 94.

There's a paper trail and all this is easily verifiable facts. When US was foaming in the mouth about the Iraqi WMDs and how they can prove their existence, rest of the world kinda looked baffled and nodded that yea we know you have receipts but how the hell does that justify fuck all.

[Dan Druff]

U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record.

This doesn't say that the US sold them chemical and biological weapons. It says that the US sold them "items" which were then used for weapon development. It also doesn't say that the US itself sold the items -- only that the Department of Commerce approved licenses for these sales by private companies.

And it turns out that's exactly what happened. Some US-based companies sold various materials for commercial purposes, and then Iraq turned around and used them to build weapons.

Dumb, yes, but as typical of the government, the Defense Department warned in 1985 that such items (such as computers and an electron-beam welder) should not be sold to Iraq because they were attempting to develop WMDs, but the Department of Commerce never got the message. These sales mostly occurred in the late 1980s -- before the first Perisan Gulf war in 1991.

There is zero evidence that the US ever knowingly helped Iraq build or obtain materials to build WMDs.

So I don't get your point. Once this mistake was made in the 1980s, and we were sitting there 15 years later in 2003, should we have just shrugged our shoulders and told Saddam it's cool to keep using this stuff to make WMDs? Because that's what he was doing during most of that time.

[Texter]

It's amazing what the CIA can pull off

[limitles]

You mean by spending money on those who pay for everything?I saw these two Ted Talks by chance recently and they both point to the derailment of what once worked.

Of course, Obama's bailout's ftw. x5The second this guy, Yanis, used China as an of capitalism in his first few opening sentences it was time to click. NPR is fun like that sometimes. People confuse Capitalism (a meritocracy) with Democracy (every hopper gets a say). They are natural enemies.But Capitalism isn't killing Democracy. In fact, both better join forces cause they are both on the endangered list.Our government directed economy and corrupt & dysfunctional political system - what to call it? It needs a new name cause we Americans are the best at inventing shit.

If you stopped the video that quickly you may not realize the reason China was mentioned.Capitalism and democracy have become joined at the hip to the extent the elected are governing with the interests of the market above that of the electorate. Democracy is no longer the system envisioned by it's proponents.

Over time government of the People, by the People, for the People - has come to symbolize the definition of democracy itself"
http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/gettysburg.htm.

Class division
Capitalism is the social system which now exists in all countries of the world. Under this system, the means for producing and distributing goods (the land, factories, technology, transport system etc) are owned by a small minority of people. We refer to this group of people as the capitalist class. The majority of people must sell their ability to work in return for a wage or salary (who we refer to as the working class.)

http://www.worldsocialism.org/english/what-capitalism

[big dick]

the wars (Afghanistan & Iraq) were stupid, but what made them especially bad was doing that after cutting taxes in 2001 & 2003

so to pay for the war he ran up the national debt something fierce...


if you recall, near the end of the Clinton administration there was talk of someday paying off completely the national debt because with the federal government running a surplus for the year and projected continued surpluses...

Bush cut taxes, there went the surplus, then started a war, which required borrowing, mostly from the Chinese.

The stupid fuck Bush must have bribed his professors of the finance/risk management courses he took while getting his MBA at Harvard.

Don't worry. If not blown on the war, the Democrats would have blown the money on entitlements anyway.

Also the "projected" surpluses wouldn't have continued anyway. The dotcom bust and the economic slump related to 9/11 killed that.

id rather give it to the n-words then have our troops come home with no arms and legs.