IS SEALS WITH CLUBS DONKDOWN??? (Update: Micon charged with a felony in Nevada)

[Dan Druff]

Read the fucking statute!!!!

Literally again with the same arguments about Bitcoin being legal tender or not, it does not matter.

 

I am going to end up black cocking this thread into oblivion because of the general stupidity of this forum and Tine saw it coming.

If you think this thread is tilting, try reading the one on 2+2.

[limitles]

Go fuck a tree AssBrown ya goddamed geek





shame on you Todd, Badguy already made it clear

[Dan Druff]

Think of what legal tender means. All it does is denote what must legally be acceptable to pay a debt. That means personal checks aren't necessarily legal tender. Credit cards sure aren't, and probably in most (all?) states, every single non-US currency would be considered non-legal tender. It doesn't make something valueless, it just means it ain't the recognized currency the government prefers/demands. So, you could set up a cash game using Euros and claim it not to be legal tender. You would be correct. You would also be laughed at and shut down, of course, but that's what micon is finding out, isn't he?


The phrase "legal tender" has almost nothing to do with anything anymore.

Also, not legal tender ≠ illegal.

You may be correct but I'm guessing the lawyers hired took a lot into consideration before they agreed to represent Micon. Precedence is relied on heavily in most courts and there is not much of that in this instance.

What bothers me most is the peanut gallery jumping onside the "oh so pure" Nevada State Gaming Commission et al, vs. someone "known to them" and in no way, as far as I'm concerned, a criminal.

The lawyers he hired took only one thing into consideration: The fact that Micon was able to pay them their retainer.

Criminal defense attorneys are typically not very picky regarding the cases they take. This is because they get paid whether they win or lose. It's not like a personal injury attorney who only gets paid on contingency when he wins, so he has to weed out the longshot cases.

Also, if they can somehow pull off a miracle and get Micon off of this one (or get him a severely reduced punishment), this will be yet another feather to put into their cap, as this is a high profile case. And if they can't help him, this won't look bad for them, as it's clear that the evidence against Micon is very strong.

It seems at this point that his attorneys are just advising him to come back to Vegas and face this. I'm assuming that they told him they can't do much more until he comes back, though they can likely analyze the complaint and figure out what his chances are of beating it (which must be pretty damn low).

[splitthis]

micon no different than any other skinny n-word looking for the easy way out, finding instead a way behind bars.

[Tony]

The reason Micon is scrounging for lawyers is to avoid jail time. It is not going to happen. The NGC and DA did not have a press conference to have some type of house arrest.

I have known two people that have been to jail, neither were assaulted, its not maximum. Micon will spend a year at an honor ranch and pay a fine if he is smart. Then he can write a bitcoin book.

His worst decision ever was to flee to a 3rd world country and open up a poker site. My gosh how stupid are you? You added minimum 3 months to your sentence. Going to Antigua was ridiculous.

[chinamaniac]

The reason Micon is scrounging for lawyers is to avoid jail time. It is not going to happen. The NGC and DA did not have a press conference to have some type of house arrest.

I have known two people that have been to jail, neither were assaulted, its not maximum. Micon will spend a year at an honor ranch and pay a fine if he is smart. Then he can write a bitcoin book.

His worst decision ever was to flee to a 3rd world country and open up a poker site. My gosh how stupid are you? You added minimum 3 months to your sentence. Going to Antigua was ridiculous.

If I am not mistaken didn't you call this almost exactly how it has gone done from the beginning of SWC?

[BeerAndPoker]

I've had a few people ask me if it's safe to play on SWC Poker right now and imo it actually isn't that risky IF you just put on a small ass amount the day you want to play and cash all of it out immediately that night when you are done. Payouts are still going very fast from everything I've continued to hear but I'd never use that site to continue to store the money leaving a lot in Micon's hands because even though I don't think he would ever intend to steal from anyone what if he they get him in custody, the site gets shut down, or he must spend the money for his legal shit?

SWC funds still actually have more value then Merge dollars do atm.

[Bootsy Collins]

My fucking God! Why are people so fucking stupid? Since Antigua is involved with online gaming, why hasn't anyone from the online casino mafia put a bullet in Micons head already? He blatantly invaded their turf.

[Sanlmar]

Why would he hire Antiguan lawyers?

Because you want an Antiguan lawyer _before_ you end up in Antiguan prison waiting extradition, not after.

Well played 'tine.

Meanwhile back in Vegas, Chenoff is today focused on whether bail is even a remote possibility. Is Micon a flight risk? It is possible you guys are way ahead of yourself with Chenoff & Micon's defense. Bail is a deal breaker for the kid, imo. The retainer may just be for dealing with this question.

Will he have the means to post bail if Chenoff binks a miracle?

If bail can't be negotiated this gets a lot more fun as Micon starts shopping for a used dinghy. The argument that Micon won't run b/c he has a wife & kid makes no sense to me. If he is in jail, they retreat to her family. Micon is useless to them. They split up. He will think it best.

The case is tough enough without meeting your client in the big house.

I wonder about hidden assets. I firmly believe the same guy who may have had the balls not to cash at $400 then $600, $800, $1200 also likely rode it back down. However, is there a small something squirreled away that he patently refuses to touch for fear of tipping it's location - and thus, the fundraising. Micon's last ditch go-bag.

So does Antigua round up Micon?
Will Micon be offered bail?

Edit: I saw China's post of Micon interviewed with Alex. I cannot get over the pencil arms on this guy. He has the build of a Biafran war baby. The notion of jail (any jail - hell the Nevada DMV) while awaiting a hearing has got to fill him with terror.

[Baron Von Strucker]

free Slim T

squirrel dicks micon squirrel dicks




SlimT wrote:

Hey - i am slim t - i done wrote another poem for you crazys -

ChickenHead Micon


micon done shat the bed - again
backstab fuckbaging his best friends
his life may be drawing close to an end

micon is an embarassment

sometimes a chicken will eat its own shit
then prance around not knowed it done done it
but that taste in its mouth - it wont quit

i believe micon is related to chickens

i aint knowed any slot players that win
they dont shire - them stanking degens
i think micon wears depends

imagine a chicken in a diaper

micon really aint to hairy
he is a prickly - puke - and thats kinda scary
but deep down we all know that micon is fairy

KFC - kentucky fried chicken


this done been my first post at dans new site - i done this at ant susans house on 3 10 12 - i am travis - slim t -

[zealanddonk]

Kim DotCom is broke, divorced and about to be shipped to a deep dark hole in America.

Well played Micon, well played.

[4Dragons]

No better place for this classic

[badguy23]

Because you want an Antiguan lawyer _before_ you end up in Antiguan prison waiting extradition, not after.

Well played 'tine.

Meanwhile back in Vegas, Chenoff is today focused on whether bail is even a remote possibility. Is Micon a flight risk? It is possible you guys are way ahead of yourself with Chenoff & Micon's defense. Bail is a deal breaker for the kid, imo. The retainer may just be for dealing with this question.

Will he have the means to post bail if Chenoff binks a miracle?

If bail can't be negotiated this gets a lot more fun as Micon starts shopping for a used dinghy. The argument that Micon won't run b/c he has a wife & kid makes no sense to me. If he is in jail, they retreat to her family. Micon is useless to them. They split up. He will think it best.

The case is tough enough without meeting your client in the big house.

I wonder about hidden assets. I firmly believe the same guy who may have had the balls not to cash at $400 then $600, $800, $1200 also likely rode it back down. However, is there a small something squirreled away that he patently refuses to touch for fear of tipping it's location - and thus, the fundraising. Micon's last ditch go-bag.

So does Antigua round up Micon?
Will Micon be offered bail?

Edit: I saw China's post of Micon interviewed with Alex. I cannot get over the pencil arms on this guy. He has the build of a Biafran war baby. The notion of jail (any jail - hell the Nevada DMV) while awaiting a hearing has got to fill him with terror.

This whole thing is 100% on point and right!! If he isnt getting bail no way he's coming back nor should he. Freedom trumps a wife or kid in the long run!! As sad as that sounds it's the truth. He's worthless to them in jail..

[FPS_Russia]

I think Micon needs to find a way to ban players from Nevada. If he can't, he needs to at least bluff til he can.
Post a disclaimer that players from Nevada will risk having their funds seized etc..


Throw em a bone.

Give the Nevada authorities some fold equity.
You serving Nevada residents may be causing alot of headaches and sleepless nights.
Follow Bovada's lead.

[Dan Druff]

I think Micon needs to find a way to ban players from Nevada. If he can't, he needs to at least bluff til he can.
Post a disclaimer that players from Nevada will risk having their funds seized etc..


Throw em a bone.

Give the Nevada authorities some fold equity.
You serving Nevada residents may be causing alot of headaches and sleepless nights.
Follow Bovada's lead.

I agree that this isn't a bad idea. Doubt he'll do it, though.

I said before that Micon broke the law for profit. That was true, but it wasn't the whole story.

He ran Seals, despite the immense personal (and family) risk involved, for both profit and adulation. He saw himself as a warrior for gambling freedom. He saw himself as the benevolent figure who would bring poker to anyone on the globe who wanted to play it, laws be damned. And most importantly, he wanted everyone to recognize that he was this benevolent and heroic figure.

On the surface, this doesn't seem bad. In fact, it seems downright noble to risk your own freedom for the high-minded pursuit of offering online poker to those deprived of it by foolish laws.

Unfortunately, that decision also came with a large degree of carelessness and irresponsibility. After all, if your decision to offer poker to everyone puts the entire site at risk, then you are doing a disservice to your players by not mitigating that risk.

As you mentioned, look at Bovada. Would they love to take new business from Nevada, Delaware, and New Jersey? Sure. But they don't, because they want to be able to continue offering the product to the other 47 states, and touching those other 3 would put themselves at risk.

Bovada is not stuck on some haughty idea that EVERYONE must be able to play there, and that anything less than that is yielding to the man. No... they assessed the risks and made judgment calls.

But I can't see Micon doing that. He doesn't want to yield to "the man" and remove anyone's freedom to play on his site. He thinks that's not the bitcoin way.

[vegas1369]

Holy shit! So much gold...

http://antiguaobserver.com/?s=micon&submit=Search

http://antiguaobserver.com/us-gaming...out-a-licence/

"US Gaming Chief"!!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!

[vegas1369]

I think Micon needs to find a way to ban players from Nevada. If he can't, he needs to at least bluff til he can.
Post a disclaimer that players from Nevada will risk having their funds seized etc..


Throw em a bone.

Give the Nevada authorities some fold equity.
You serving Nevada residents may be causing alot of headaches and sleepless nights.
Follow Bovada's lead.

I agree that this isn't a bad idea. Doubt he'll do it, though.

I said before that Micon broke the law for profit. That was true, but it wasn't the whole story.

He ran Seals, despite the immense personal (and family) risk involved, for both profit and adulation. He saw himself as a warrior for gambling freedom. He saw himself as the benevolent figure who would bring poker to anyone on the globe who wanted to play it, laws be damned. And most importantly, he wanted everyone to recognize that he was this benevolent and heroic figure.

On the surface, this doesn't seem bad. In fact, it seems downright noble to risk your own freedom for the high-minded pursuit of offering online poker to those deprived of it by foolish laws.

Unfortunately, that decision also came with a large degree of carelessness and irresponsibility. After all, if your decision to offer poker to everyone puts the entire site at risk, then you are doing a disservice to your players by not mitigating that risk.

As you mentioned, look at Bovada. Would they love to take new business from Nevada, Delaware, and New Jersey? Sure. But they don't, because they want to be able to continue offering the product to the other 47 states, and touching those other 3 would put themselves at risk.

Bovada is not stuck on some haughty idea that EVERYONE must be able to play there, and that anything less than that is yielding to the man. No... they assessed the risks and made judgment calls.

But I can't see Micon doing that. He doesn't want to yield to "the man" and remove anyone's freedom to play on his site. He thinks that's not the bitcoin way.

I am a top 50 Bitcoin influencer, worldwide, and I know a lot of other Bitcoin gambling sites that are making good money and starting to run an office, customer service and some other assets

http://antiguaobserver.com/micon-ref...gua-re-launch/

[TheXFactor]

Holy shit! So much gold...

http://antiguaobserver.com/?s=micon&submit=Search

http://antiguaobserver.com/us-gaming...out-a-licence/

"US Gaming Chief"!!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!

In an earlier interview with OBSERVER media Micon maintained his innocence claiming that he did not own the site. He further denied allegations that he had fled to Antigua after the raid. He said he was merely taking an “extended vacation” with his wife and two-year-old-daughter.

If Micon comes back to Nevada, he will get another "extended vacation" absolutely free, courtesy of the state of Nevada.

[vegas1369]

Did not know this...

Antigua & Barbuda has been locked in a gaming dispute with the US since 2003, in which the World Trade Organisation ruled that the US was wrong to block its citizens from accessing online gaming services based here and should stop immediately. However, the US has failed to comply with the WTO ruling and a settlement is yet to be reached in the matter. As the US has not complied with the ruling, the WTO authorised Antigua & Barbuda to take retaliatory measures to the tune of US$21 million annually but the country has yet to take that option.

Also, the PM says extraditing people that broke US online gaming laws is not a priority.

"in fact, there is a particular young man here who is involved with the gambling industry (at least he was) is wanted by the US government, you never hear our party while in opposition, making an issue about it because we understand that, look, these things happen. I mean, look, almost invariably in business, individuals perhaps get on the brink of violating the law. Some of them violate the law. Some of them get away with it. Some of them get caught. What are we suppose to do? take responsibility for their personal conduct, as a government? As far as I am concerned, we will engage these people. If they take on any risk in their respective countries, and they get caught, that's their problem. we're not gonna make it our government's problem. And we do not expect anyone, for political gain, will use those unfortunate situations which can tarnish the image of the country"

[vegas1369]

Bryan Micon carvaa • 2 months ago

I signed a lease about 1.5 months ago to come here on vacation with my family, and I wasn't charged with any crime.

As a bitcoin advocate for the past few years, I hope to continue to spread the technology of cryptocurrency wherever my family and I end up. The promise of an alternative the US dollar is too tempting not to continue it's exploration.

Bryan Micon mrmanhattan • 2 months ago

Personally I don't feel that Antigua has been treated fairly by the USA. I think that bitcoin could one day offer an alternative to the US dollar, and that bitcoin gambling companies could bring the technology to the island while creating local jobs.

Bryan Micon Outside LKooking In • 2 months ago

I appreciate the response, even if it phrased negatively.

I am not a lawyer, but can speculate the licencing requirements for a bitcoin poker site that does no business outside of the bitcoin protocol may be different from traditional fiat-based online gambling sites.

Some don't consider bitcoin money, and some do. The protocol is outside all other banking systems, operating in it's own network. I have a team working hard to determine the course of action from here regarding license requirements. It is truly uncharted territory.

On the subject of "fighting to clear my name," I have not been charged with any crime, and I wasn't operating the site. I was in charge of marketing and affiliate duties at SealsWithClubs. I stand firm on my history, if you investigate what users had to say about SealsWithClubs it is in general a glowing review with thanks for operating ethically in what have always been murky waters. Many are calling for our return to once again provide them with proper bitcoin poker.

Bryan Micon Boxborough • 2 months ago

While I was not selected at random I do not feel I have done anything wrong. It is also important to understand I was not charged with a crime and never have been charged with a crime in my 36 years. I am a family man first and foremost and try very hard to spend each day with my 2 year old daughter and wife. I hope to prove to you that I am not "America's trash," but a forward-thinking businessman looking to pioneer a new industry and use profits for social good. I think a "Bitcoin silicon valley" is possible for Antigua, which would bring many jobs and spread the bitcoin technology to local businesses. I want to make a positive impact on my surroundings, wherever I may be at the time.

http://antiguaobserver.com/gaming-ch...s-police-raid/