TRIGLYCERIDES - CHOLESTEROL

[Dan Druff]

My triglycerides started at over 800. Doctor put me on fenofibrate which is for high triglycerides. look it up. last check they were in the 600 range. I ave heard and read about people who have 1000+ triglycerides that still somehow crawl out of bed each day. Talk to your doctor about it. A poker forum probably is not the best place for health advice. Link for the drug:http://www.drugs.com/fenofibrate.html

Thanks for link. Druff's brother is a cardiologist btw..

From a recent short conversation with my brother about it, he said that he still doesn't recommend any medication for high triglycerides, but that might change in not too long.

I am unaware of the medication that Edward Teach is on. I can ask him about it if you want.

I am living proof that total cholesterol and LDL are mostly genetic. I eat a lot of sugar and fat, and do not exercise. Lifestyle-wise, I should have bad cholesterol, yet my total is 142 and LDL is 80 -- both excellent numbers. And both have actually IMPROVED (albeit only a small amount) over the past 7 years.

[Edward Teach]

Thanks for link. Druff's brother is a cardiologist btw..

From a recent short conversation with my brother about it, he said that he still doesn't recommend any medication for high triglycerides, but that might change in not too long.

I am unaware of the medication that Edward Teach is on. I can ask him about it if you want.

I am living proof that total cholesterol and LDL are mostly genetic. I eat a lot of sugar and fat, and do not exercise. Lifestyle-wise, I should have bad cholesterol, yet my total is 142 and LDL is 80 -- both excellent numbers. And both have actually IMPROVED (albeit only a small amount) over the past 7 years.

That statement is the truth. Genetics have a lot to do with these type of problems. I'm not saying that all the unhealthy living that I partake in doesn't affect it but if you come from people with health issues then you are likely to have them yourself.

[cmoney]

So much of this is fucking just genetics.

With that said, every good heart doctor I have spoke to said the majority of these test are useless in detecting risks for heart attack and stroke.

Google lipoprotein testing. That is the test you really want to get.

I went from 35 HDL to 70 HDL under this doctors care. It is ALL about the lipoprotein testing. here is a good explanation of it from the same doctor i go to: https://www.lipidcenter.com/er_overview.php

If you are in LA, see this guy he is god.

half of all people that have heart attacks have NORMAL cholesterol levels. it is really a useless test unless it is super high

[Daly]

My triglycerides started at over 800. Doctor put me on fenofibrate which is for high triglycerides. look it up. last check they were in the 600 range. I ave heard and read about people who have 1000+ triglycerides that still somehow crawl out of bed each day. Talk to your doctor about it. A poker forum probably is not the best place for health advice. Link for the drug:http://www.drugs.com/fenofibrate.html

This site has more fat asses per Avatar then any other message board in the world. It's a great place to ask about cholesterol.

[Daly]

I am living proof that total cholesterol and LDL are mostly genetic.

Well I don't think anyone can argue that genetics factor into the equation, but diet certainly is the largest contributing factor. I made some small changes to my diet and in 4 months my Cholesterol dropped from 230 to 170 and my other ratios improved dramatically. And by small changes I mean had 3/4 of my stomach ripped out.

[ThreeBet]

I do smoke between 3 to 5 packs a day

HOF

[Tony]

Anyone over the age of 30 that does not get blood work done is fucking stupid.

Cholesterol meds is about the most easy drug you can take. You take it, your chance for a heart attack goes down a lot.

Cost is like $20 every couple months.

I am not on blood pressure meds, ( Readings 125 - 87) last time I checked. I am pre-hypertension modes nothing serious. My BMI is great, weight is good, basically near perfect. I have now entered my late 30s and I am basically totally healthy.

Not saying I have perfect readings, but in the upper 10% my age. Probably genetics and a commitment to BMI.

[big dick]

What kind of diet did your doctor recommend?

cut down the sugar
lay off the fried and fast foods
quit drinking which is funny because i maybe have one or two drinks a year but she is convinced I'm a closet alcoholic even after i told her my entire drug history
exercise more
quit smoking- I do smoke between 3 to 5 packs a day
eat fatty fish protein more often instead of red meat
cut down on carbs

did I read this right? you smoke between 60-100 cigarettes per day?

[devidee]

I had blood work done three months ago and my Triglycerides were high as well. Everything else was normal. I actually go back this afternoon to see if they've been lowered. I've been taking fish oil pills which is supposed to help.

[cmoney]

What kind of diet did your doctor recommend?

cut down the sugar
lay off the fried and fast foods
quit drinking which is funny because i maybe have one or two drinks a year but she is convinced I'm a closet alcoholic even after i told her my entire drug history
exercise more
quit smoking- I do smoke between 3 to 5 packs a day
eat fatty fish protein more often instead of red meat
cut down on carbs

I like how you subtlety add that vice in to the list as one would add they eat a snickers bar every day. How long you been smoking for?

[cmoney]

Well I don't think anyone can argue that genetics factor into the equation, but diet certainly is the largest contributing factor. I made some small changes to my diet and in 4 months my Cholesterol dropped from 230 to 170 and my other ratios improved dramatically. And by small changes I mean had 3/4 of my stomach ripped out.

You kind of make the point that it could be mostly genetics. First off, 230 isnt that high and a drop to 170 isnt that steep of a drop. If you had said you went from 600 to 170 by changing your diet then I would say you were on to something in regards to diet.

The heart doctor I see that does the lipo protein testing has vegans with cholesterol scores over 600.

Again, half of people that have heart attacks have NORMAL LDL cholesterol levels. That stat alone should tell you how useless the test is. It is ALL about the lipoprotein test. All cardio doctors these days know about it but your general practitioner doesnt for the most part. They dont give it because they simply dont know how to read the results. It is by FAR the most important test you can get in regards to heart health.


If you are concerned, find a heart doctor that knows about lipoprotein testing. That is the test that may save your life.

[Sanlmar]

cut down the sugar
lay off the fried and fast foods
quit drinking which is funny because i maybe have one or two drinks a year but she is convinced I'm a closet alcoholic even after i told her my entire drug history
exercise more
quit smoking- I do smoke between 3 to 5 packs a day
eat fatty fish protein more often instead of red meat
cut down on carbs

did I read this right? you smoke between 60-100 cigarettes per day?

This is a remarkable achievement.

4 packs $40 x 365 = $14,600/yr

35% tax bracket $14,600 x 1.35 = $19,710 earned income devoted to smoking

16 waking hours x 60 min. = 960 min / 80 cig.s = 1 cigarette every 12 min.

The cholesterol discussion is a genetics discussion and drugs will buy you time. The cigarette post is a brag.

[BHS]

If you are concerned, find a heart doctor that knows about lipoprotein testing. That is the test that may save your life.

So I spoke to my doctor this morning. Plan is to "diet and exercise" for a few months and check again. If results are similar in a few months, plan B is a statin, which is a last resort imo.

I asked him about testing lipoprotein and he said LDL is a low density lipoprotein or something and I don't think he really knew what I was talking about. He asked me to email him more info. You have anything else to give him besides this link you posted earlier?

https://www.lipidcenter.com/er_overview.php

Also, Druff can you ask your brother what he would do as far as drugs go? I'm 5'10" 180lbs and currently look/measure to be reasonably fit.

Appreciate the feedback dudes

[cmoney]

If you are concerned, find a heart doctor that knows about lipoprotein testing. That is the test that may save your life.

So I spoke to my doctor this morning. Plan is to "diet and exercise" for a few months and check again. If results are similar in a few months, plan B is a statin, which is a last resort imo.

I asked him about testing lipoprotein and he said LDL is a low density lipoprotein or something and I don't think he really knew what I was talking about. He asked me to email him more info. You have anything else to give him besides this link you posted earlier?

https://www.lipidcenter.com/er_overview.php

Also, Druff can you ask your brother what he would do as far as drugs go? I'm 5'10" 180lbs and currently look/measure to be reasonably fit.

Appreciate the feedback dudes

They don't teach it to primary care doctors, and chances are even if he gets you the test, he isnt going to know what the results mean. The best advance is just to research it yourself using Google and find a Cardiologist that knows about this kind of stuff.

There are tons of good articles if you Google lipo protein testing:

http://www.docsopinion.com/health-an...lipoprotein-a/

One think you can do immediately is get on a GOOD fish oil. I attribute that mostly to raising my HDL from 35 to over 70. But not all fish oils are equal by any means.

I know a ton of doctors. I get drunk with them quite often. They are fuck ups just like the rest of us so do yourself and your family a favor and find specialists in the area you need. It is not humanly possible for primary care doctors to be experts in everything and they are going to give you the standard protocal for most things even if it isnt the best solution. This isnt a critique of them. They have 40 minutes with you max, so they dont have time to get deep into each patients case.

GL

[limitles]

Ironically I just had blood and urine tests at the request of a new doctor.
After three years of abusing my system with alcohol, cigarettes and Ritalin I was expecting the worst.
When I saw him on Friday he looked at my file and said "everything looks good".

So, like Tyde I too am a physical 4 x 4.

I will say I've been an exercise junky for most of my life and I rarely eat "fast" food.

Genetics no doubt plays a role and I have a bit of Aryan blood in me.

Well gotta go, another secret meeting to attend.

[cmoney]

Ironically I just had blood and urine tests at the request of a new doctor.
After three years of abusing my system with alcohol, cigarettes and Ritalin I was expecting the worst.
When I saw him on Friday he looked at my file and said "everything looks good".

So, like Tyde I too am a physical 4 x 4.

I will say I've been an exercise junky for most of my life and I rarely eat "fast" food.

Genetics no doubt plays a role and I have a bit of Aryan blood in me.

Well gotta go, another secret meeting to attend.

I think if you eat good your body is a lot more forgiving if you punish it in other ways. Of course genes play a roll too.

It is always uplifting to hear the "all clear" from the doctor. However, usually just give me an excuse to continue the excess drinking.

Props to you for putting down the booze. I have just made the decision it will be a part of my life until I die and my goal is damage management at this point.

[Krypt]

Ironically I just had blood and urine tests at the request of a new doctor.
After three years of abusing my system with alcohol, cigarettes and Ritalin I was expecting the worst.
When I saw him on Friday he looked at my file and said "everything looks good".

So, like Tyde I too am a physical 4 x 4.

I will say I've been an exercise junky for most of my life and I rarely eat "fast" food.

Genetics no doubt plays a role and I have a bit of Aryan blood in me.

Well gotta go, another secret meeting to attend.

I think if you eat good your body is a lot more forgiving if you punish it in other ways. Of course genes play a roll too.

It is always uplifting to hear the "all clear" from the doctor. However, usually just give me an excuse to continue the excess drinking.

Props to you for putting down the booze. I have just made the decision it will be a part of my life until I die and my goal is damage management at this point.

Everyone talks a big game until they're struck by adversity. The question is: how will you feel if you're diagnosed with liver cancer tomorrow? Will you regret not quitting? If not, then continue doing what you're doing..... But if you entertain the slightest doubt or regret, you should seriously consider stopping.

[cmoney]

I think if you eat good your body is a lot more forgiving if you punish it in other ways. Of course genes play a roll too.

It is always uplifting to hear the "all clear" from the doctor. However, usually just give me an excuse to continue the excess drinking.

Props to you for putting down the booze. I have just made the decision it will be a part of my life until I die and my goal is damage management at this point.

Everyone talks a big game until they're struck by adversity. The question is: how will you feel if you're diagnosed with liver cancer tomorrow? Will you regret not quitting? If not, then continue doing what you're doing..... But if you entertain the slightest doubt or regret, you should seriously consider stopping. You also mention liver cancer from drinking as if there is a high chance of getting that in your 20s and 30s. Could it happen, sure, but so could winning the power ball. Probably about the same odds

I am not talking a big game. I am probably more aware the odds and ramification of vices than anyone else I know.

Some of the "healthiest" people I have ever known died already in their 20s from fluke shit. Everything in life is a wager and bunch of random events you have no control over. You just do the best you can. Alcohol enhances life for me so I am willing to gamble on this a bit. I would be bored as fuck without it.

[devidee]

Welp, my doctor didn't take blood this visit. We went over my numbers from last time and talked about how to lower them.

Numbers from a month ago:

Cholesterol: 237

Triglycerides: 669

[Krypt]

C$, have you ever been to a eucalyptus steam room? It's great for detoxification and gets rid of all that nasty shit in your liver; you can find one at every Equinox gym and I highly recommend it, especially since you can afford it.