Good lord, will someone please read the contract to Mayweather so we can get this thing going.
Good lord, will someone please read the contract to Mayweather so we can get this thing going.
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Originally Posted by JMM
I think Stiverne thought Wilder would gas. I was starting to think he would, too. Stiverne did some good work to Wilder's body. Wilder had no idea how to protect his body. His hands constantly went up to protect his head, but he never tucked in to cover the body.
Wilder has come a looooooooooooooooooooong way from what he once was. His footwork is still pretty bad, but he answered a lot of questions people had about him, in this fight. He went all 12 pretty easily. He took several BIG shots from Stiverne. And he boxed going backwards. I mean boxed. Not just tried to land the right hand. He still gets wild at times when he's got his man hurt, but he did a good job of not punching himself out and leaving nothing for the later rounds.
Stiverne has got a fantastic chin on him.
I think Wilder beats Tyson Fury for sure. He's not ready for Klitschko.
What were the betting odds in this fight?
I think Wilder was like -150.
What were the betting odds in this fight?
There is no contract. HBO and Showtime have to settle their bullshit before there's going to be a contract.
Making a "he can't read" joke.... I'm known to swing and missThere is no contract. HBO and Showtime have to settle their bullshit before there's going to be a contract.
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Gotcha.Making a "he can't read" joke.... I'm known to swing and miss
It is really sad that he has so much trouble reading.
Manny Pacquiao says Floyd Mayweather Jr. needs to agree to super-fight soon or he’ll move on
On Monday, Pacquiao told the LA Times during an office visit that if Mayweather doesn’t sign on the dotted line by the end of the month and agree to the fight, tentatively scheduled for May 2, the Filipino superstar is prepared to face someone else.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...icle-1.2085089
Manny Pacquiao (r.) tells the LA Times he will move on from super-fight if Floyd Mayweather Jr. doesn't sign on the dotted line by the end of the month.
We'll know before the SuperBowl if there is going to be a fight.There was a deadline set and some twitter jabs from Manny Pacquiao, and an actual response from Floyd Mayweather, but at the end of the day the talk from both sides about a possible fight of the century was just that - talk.
And now it appears the clock is ticking.
On Monday, Pacquiao issued Mayweather Jr. an ultimatum: Agree to fight me by the end of the month or I’m moving on.
"He's got to move ahead," Pacquiao promoter, Bob Arum told the Daily News in a phone interview on Tuesday. "We've got to have a fight in the spring. But you have to have a deadline. This can't drip on forever. We're working on a plan B."
Arum said that he and Pacquiao discussed the idea of setting a deadline last week when they met in Los Angeles. The bout with Mayweather Jr. has tentatively been scheduled for May 2 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas and all the terms have been agreed to by both sides, Arum said.
All that's missing is for Mayweather to sign off on the contract, which so far he hasn't done, Arum said.
I can easily beat @FloydMayweather, I believe that.
— Manny Pacquiao (@MannyPacquiao) January 20, 2015
But, to the surprise of no one, Mayweather put the onus on the Pacquiao camp for holding up a fight every boxing fan has dreamed of for years.
"We have been going back and forth, communicating with their team," Mayweather said on Sirius XM radio. "We're going to make it happen though. We're trying, but it's been extremely difficult dealing with Top Rank. And I don't want to sit here and point the finger at Pacquiao and say ‘it's him.’ It's not Pacquiao, it's his promoter (Arum). A lot of times when Pacquiao says ‘I agreed’ — you don't have nothing to do with this, you're not a boss. On a chess board you're a pawn."
But Pacquiao wasn’t done, as he took to Twitter to lay down the gauntlet.
"I can easily beat @FloydMayweather, I believe that." he wrote.
Told of the Tweet, Arum agreed:
If you really care about the fans, you will fight. If you care about yourself... you won't fight. #MannySmile
— Manny Pacquiao (@MannyPacquiao) January 20, 2015
"He can, it's an easy fight (for Pacquiao)," Arum told the News. "That's why we want to do it. Floyd can't fight a fast lefty. But I've known from the beginning that he doesn't want to fight Pacquiao."
Pacquiao wasn't finished, delivering this plea on Twitter:
"If you really care about the fans, you will fight. If you care about yourself…you won't fight.#MannySmile."
Mayweather didn't immediately respond to Pacquiao's Twitter digs and a spokesperson for Mayweather didn't return an email for comment either.
But talks for what could be the most lucrative fight of all time have broken down in the past, leading Arum to have misgivings about the super fight ever take place.
The fate of a May 2 fight is now in the hands of Floyd Mayweather Jr., Pacquiao says.
"There are no more issues to work out," Arum said. "But you can't do Hamlet without Hamlet and that's what we're down to."
And if the fight doesn't happen this time around?
"It sends a message loud and clear that this guy does not want to fight Pacquiao and never did," Arum said. "I've been through this rodeo once before."
And if the talks crumble once again, Pacquiao told the LA Times he's prepared to move on, citing Amir Khan and "a lot of boxers" as possible options.
Arum didn't want to entertain such ideas.
"I'm not going to talk about another fight because that would show a lack of faith to people," Arum said. "But if the fight doesn't happen, the world will know whose fault it is."
Parting Shots: Wladimir Klitschko will defend his heavyweight championship against American Bryant Jennings on April 25 at Madison Square Garden on HBO. It's Klitschko's first fight in the U.S. since 2008, which also took place at the Garden.
Time for Mayweather to put up or shut the fuck up.
It's funny, they keep saying "sign the contract"
There is no contract. Manny hasn't signed the contract.
Because there is no contract.
HBO and Showtime haven't figured out all of their details. That shit has to be in the contract. But it isn't.
Because there is no contract.
All we know right now, is that Manny has agreed to 60/40 in Floyd's favor (Mayweather agreed as well), he's agreed to Mayweather's drug testing demands, ring size, etc.
I love that Manny is trying to apply pressure to Mayweather for the good of the fight, but it's stupid to tell someone to sign a contract that you haven't even fucking signed.
Because, get this, there is no contract.
A truly sad day when a bum like Wilder is called the Heavyweight Champion of the world.
What were the betting odds in this fight?
Quit acting like a disrespectful fucking punk. Calling the guy a bum is stupid. He's not as polished as he could be, mainly because he's been protected. But he's no bum. The wind from his fucking jab would send you into dream land.A truly sad day when a bum like Wilder is called the Heavyweight Champion of the world.
In a historical context....he is a BUM! Possibly the worst era in the history of heavyweights. He wouldn't even be a top 10 fighter in many eras. Oh and I am probably older than you so respect your elders punk.Quit acting like a disrespectful fucking punk. Calling the guy a bum is stupid. He's not as polished as he could be, mainly because he's been protected. But he's no bum. The wind from his fucking jab would send you into dream land.
A lot of guys wouldn't be top 10 fighters in other eras. You fight who's in front of you. Tyson fought in one of the worst HW eras ever, but people are still on their knees for him.In a historical context....he is a BUM! Possibly the worst era in the history of heavyweights. He wouldn't even be a top 10 fighter in many eras. Oh and I am probably older than you so respect your elders punk.
Obviously Wilder is no Tyson, but give the guy some time. He'll develop.
Klitschko sucks too.....only reason he would do well in other eras is because guys like Marciano were really cruiserweights.A lot of guys wouldn't be top 10 fighters in other eras. You fight who's in front of you. Tyson fought in one of the worst HW eras ever, but people are still on their knees for him.
Obviously Wilder is no Tyson, but give the guy some time. He'll develop.
If Klichko sucks then are you saying Lennox Lewis sucks, because they fight very similarly. I think they're both awesome. Granted, I'm not saying they're Ali or Joe Lewis, but they are great fighters.
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Wilders jabs looked real strong the other night. For a big guy, getting poked with one of those would take most people down.
when he was really swinging....Jesus....his punches looked extremely solid.
He may not be polished like you guys are saying, but he looked pretty damn dangerous.
Could not disagree more.Klitschko sucks too.....only reason he would do well in other eras is because guys like Marciano were really cruiserweights.
Klitschko quite possibly could have beaten every heavyweight there ever was.
That's right, I said it.
Seriolusly, get me some of the weed you are smoking. Klitchkos only chance against the best heavyweights ever would simply be that size wise he is a giant compared to most. Heavys used to be 176 lbs and over, most like Marciano and Joe Lewis fought around 180-185 pounds. Today Heavyweights start at 201 pounds. Putting size difference aside and just comparing skill, I contend that Klitchko isnt even a top 10 all time heavyweight. I think Lennox Lewis sucked too, call me crazy. He was boring as fuck to watch and fought a bunch of nobodys. Ali had to contend with Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Kenny Norton, Ron Lyle, Jerry Quarry.... IMO Klitchko and Lewis were simply the best of their era but historically far down the list of the goat.Could not disagree more.
Klitschko quite possibly could have beaten every heavyweight there ever was.
That's right, I said it.
I consider myself to be somewhat of a boxing historian, and I contend that both Lennox Lewis and Klitschko (especially Klitschko) would have had a better than 50% chance of beating the greatest heavyweights of any era.Seriolusly, get me some of the weed you are smoking. Klitchkos only chance against the best heavyweights ever would simply be that size wise he is a giant compared to most. Heavys used to be 176 lbs and over, most like Marciano and Joe Lewis fought around 180-185 pounds. Today Heavyweights start at 201 pounds. Putting size difference aside and just comparing skill, I contend that Klitchko isnt even a top 10 all time heavyweight. I think Lennox Lewis sucked too, call me crazy. He was boring as fuck to watch and fought a bunch of nobodys. Ali had to contend with Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Kenny Norton, Ron Lyle, Jerry Quarry.... IMO Klitchko and Lewis were simply the best of their era but historically far down the list of the goat.
My father, who was a huge boxing fan and watched in person all the greats you just listed, including going to sparring sessions of Ali and Frazier, went to the Catskills to watch Lewis train back when he was champ. He said he never saw anyone with a jab like his, and just his overall sheer power was more impressive than anything he had ever seen. Both he and Klitschko, especially Klitschko, IMO would just be too big and skilled for every HW before them. Aside from Ali, Foreman literally destroyed everyone during that era, and he was the closest thing to these guys, but had a lot less boxing knowledge and skill in his prime. IMO both of these guys would have been too skilled for Foreman. Frazier, no shot, Ken Norton, nope, Ron Lyle and Punch Drunk Jerry Quarry...lol! The only one that would have stood a chance would have been Ali, but in the end again I think these two would have beaten him up past round 9, especially in a 15 round fight. Just too big and powerful with great defense, especially Klitschko.
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+1 (except I'm not anywhere near the historian that you are)I consider myself to be somewhat of a boxing historian, and I contend that both Lennox Lewis and Klitschko (especially Klitschko) would have had a better than 50% chance of beating the greatest heavyweights of any era.
My father, who was a huge boxing fan and watched in person all the greats you just listed, including going to sparring sessions of Ali and Frazier, went to the Catskills to watch Lewis train back when he was champ. He said he never saw anyone with a jab like his, and just his overall sheer power was more impressive than anything he had ever seen. Both he and Klitschko, especially Klitschko, IMO would just be too big and skilled for every HW before them. Aside from Ali, Foreman literally destroyed everyone during that era, and he was the closest thing to these guys, but had a lot less boxing knowledge and skill in his prime. IMO both of these guys would have been too skilled for Foreman. Frazier, no shot, Ken Norton, nope, Ron Lyle and Punch Drunk Jerry Quarry...lol! The only one that would have stood a chance would have been Ali, but in the end again I think these two would have beaten him up past round 9, especially in a 15 round fight. Just too big and powerful with great defense, especially Klitschko.
It's not a popular opinion, but Wladimir Klitschko could hold his own against any heavyweight that's ever done it. His skill set it through the roof.
Also not a popular opinion, but you could make a case for Lennox Lewis being one of the best HW boxers of all time. Prime vs. Prime, it's hard to think of anyone I could say that I would 100% pick over Lewis.
As far as Ali goes, he was great, but he was small, and didn't have great defense. You're absolutely right, imo. If it goes into the later rounds, he gets bruised.
Speaking of heavyweights
Anthony Joshua - British fighter who you should remember from winning Olympic Gold in London... He's won all of his 10 fights since turning pro and looks the real deal... an absolute rolls royce of a fighter, and also a real gentleman.
Granted, he's fought mainly bums thus far. But i'll be amazed if he doesn't go on to be the most exciting heavyweight since Tyson.
One day this guy will be selling out the biggest boxing venues in Vegas and New York.
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