one guy getting picked off negates the DOZENS of contributions by cardinal rookies in the last few years???
sorry for you loss druff but it'd be much easier to just become a cardinal fan than to argue against their success
the problem is the dodgers don't have a strong veteran presence than can lift up a rookie and give them confidence when they fuck up
whole team only cares about their individual numbers
You keep saying "rookies" and are interchanging them with minor leaguers.Originally Posted by WillieMcFML
I keep saying that rookies are fine in the postseason if they performed fairly well during the regular year (and were up long enough).
So like Wacha last year, he appeared in 15 games, 9 of them started, and was owning everyone. Obviously it was a no-brainer that he would be a smart inclusion in the postseason.
Kolten Wong had 59 career AB coming into last year's playoffs, and had hit .153. He was not fit to be on that roster. This year, while only batting .249, he got 400 AB under his belt, so it's a completely different story.
I'm saying that you can't just pack three relievers onto your postseason roster who have barely worn a Major League uniform, and expect anything but failure when they are placed into high leverage situations.
It is easy to pick up cheap, experienced, effective middle relievers during the season. I'm not talking about superstar closers, but more of the decent middle relief type. These players are very expendable and non contending teams are willing to part with them easily. You can also grab reclamation projects cheaply like last year's Brian Wilson. I agree that signing non-elite relievers to big contracts is foolish.
This is actually not true.
Juan Uribe, for example, took Puig under his wing and actually helped him a lot. Does Puig still have issues? Yes. But to classify them as a team of guys just wanting to rack up numbers is unfair.
I've watched this team all year, and lack of passion for winning hasn't been a problem.
Yes, there are some dysfunctional personalities, but overall I don't think it's a bad clubhouse atmosphere.
i'm not talking about wacha last year, i'm talking about when he assumed the blueprint wainwright laid in 2006
have stud pitchers - bring them up in august or septemeber and give them the rock - some of these transition into front end starters
wainwright
wacha
kelly
miller
maness
martinez
siegrist
marco gonzalez
personally i'd like to see neshek and rosenthal replaced by martinez and gonzalez for the rest of the season
Sorry but Carlos Martinez has been a letdown so far. I keep getting him under the radar for my fantasy team, and he keeps sucking.
Also Joe Kelly was a one hit wonder. At least the Cardinals were smart enough to dump him onto the Red Sox when they realized he wouldn't be repeating his 2013 performance.
And I agree that Neshek's brief time has passed. Once players figure out his weird delivery, he's very ordinary. So of course he owned everyone for the first half of the year, only to go sharply downhill after that.
joe kelly is a stud and i'm going to pretend like you never said that
10-5 with a 2.69 era in 2013
can't find his splits as a starter but he is money
i think it'd be hard to find anyone who has watched most cardinal games to say anything bad against joe kelly
everyone wanted to talk about miller, wacha, martinez, but kelly always gave us a chance to win - even when he was asked to spot start (which was often)
we dealt him because he had some value in an area where we had abundance...and obviously to dump allen craig
You must still think it's 2013.
Look at Kelly's performance in 2014. Lousy for both teams.
The jury is still out on Wacha. He was not that highly regarded prior to the 2013 season, and injuries have slowed him down. I won't write him off, but he may also soon be regarded as a one hit wonder.
lol not thinking wacha was highly regarded
sorry espn only shows dodgers, red sox, yankees
i can't continue this conversation
If Kelly can get another pitch he can be good. Decent 4th or 5th man to trot out there right now and chew up innings. I think he has the upside of a low #2/high #3
Kelly wasn't that bad for Boston. 4-2 on a team filled with minor league type guys. 4.11 era a little high for the way pitchers are pitching these days and a 1.28 whip aint too bad. he's still 26 and I hope he peaks at something decent next 2 years
i thought the umpires in the playoffs were supposed to be rated the best, the home plate ump was awful last night and should be moved to one of the baselines.
Puig to the bench tonight for Game 4 where he can't strike out anymore. He is struggling but I'm not sure this is ever the answer even last year when Prince Fielder stunk for Detroit he was the best option so as frustrating as it was for me to watch as a fan you kind of have to hope a big hitter just pulls out of it.
The Dodgers have three good bench players in Turner, Van Slyke, and Ethier, though, so there's no reason to leave a struggling player in to repeatedly strike out.
Michael Wacha was the Cards' #6 prospect after the 2012 season.
His monster 2013 was seen as a surprise. Tell the truth, Willie. Were you excited prior to the '13 season for Wacha's eventual promotion? Did you even know who he was at the time?
He was a decent (but not great) prospect who exploded onto the scene and way outplayed expectations.
Players like that often fall back to earth. It's hard to say what happened in 2014, as his season was hampered by injury, but he definitely wasn't the same unhittable guy that he was at the end of '13.
True, they are much deeper then Detroit was. Van Slyke has a some pop but he strikes out a lot too. I can't believe Ethier is making over $15 million a year to sit on the bench this time of the year.The Dodgers have three good bench players in Turner, Van Slyke, and Ethier, though, so there's no reason to leave a struggling player in to repeatedly strike out.
What is a highly regarded prospect? Wacha was somewhere between 50-80 on all prospect lists prior to 2013, which makes him a number two prospect on any random team. That's pretty highly regarded, though not a Trout/Harper type.
Shoot, I had LAD to win it all, STL only real threat whom they could beat IF they could manage the drama. Puig drama is a bad sign. He will pout, throw a tantrum, etc. Kemp bitching about ump another bad sign. Dugout implosion happening = series loss.The Dodgers have three good bench players in Turner, Van Slyke, and Ethier, though, so there's no reason to leave a struggling player in to repeatedly strike out.
I think Dodgers win the series if they can win today.
But that's a big IF.
Kershaw has his problems with St. Louis, the bullpen sucks, and they are obviously demoralized right now.
Dodgers with Kershaw is around -162 right now on most books, which is incorrect IMO.
I am not going to bet St. Louis here because I am such a big Dodgers fan, but honestly the value is with the Cardinals on this line. I would totally bet STL here at +145 or whatever if I weren't a Dodgers fan.
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