Willie lied, people died

[simpdog]

plop is off the window ledge and back on his feet.

[simpdog]

also with 4 games left have you discussed any sort of buyout/hedging?

[PLOL]

also with 4 games left have you discussed any sort of buyout/hedging?

I threw Willie's offer in the garbage. I think I'll just ride it out

[WillieMcFML]

also with 4 games left have you discussed any sort of buyout/hedging?

"Play for more than you can afford to lose, and you will learn the game"

[herbertstemple]

The biggest game in Kershaws career so far is game 6 of the 2013 NLCS, Dodgers down 3-2 facing elimination. Kershaws line? 4 ip, 10 h, 7 r. against a team that can't hit leftys. Get him out of those ball dead parks in the NLW, especially the one he plays half his games in, hes maybe a #4 starter for the Cardinals. Hes just an overated media sensation Hollywood girly boy. Sorry Druff, but your precious world is going to come crashing down soon enough. Again.

His road ERA is something like 1.85.

Kershaw was worn out by the time he got to NLCS Game 6. He actually almost never gets bombed, so that was a fluke.

He got bombed once this year, 7 ER against Arizona shortly after returning from injury. Other than that, he always keeps the score low.

He is like 62-0 in his career when the Dodgers score 4 or more. Seriously. Think about that for a second.

Interestingly he has sucked in spring training in both 2013 and 2014.

I get 69-6, discounting relief and ND. Look at 3 of the parks he pitches in, LA, SD, and SF. Three of the toughest parks in MLB to score in. There are 150 starts in which he started and got the decision, of these 93 games or 62% were played in these parks. Any decent pitcher would have a bulging win % if his team got him 4 runs in any of these 3 parks. Col and ARI are hitter friendly, but the rest of the time Kershaw basically gets a pass.

Compare that to the parks Wainwright has to pitch in, only STL is a reasonable park(tougher this year because of the Cardinals weak hitting), but CHC, CIN, PIT and MIL, all hitter friendly parks.

Also 2013 IP Kershaw 236, Wainwright 241.

[SrslySirius]

His road ERA is something like 1.85.

Kershaw was worn out by the time he got to NLCS Game 6. He actually almost never gets bombed, so that was a fluke.

He got bombed once this year, 7 ER against Arizona shortly after returning from injury. Other than that, he always keeps the score low.

He is like 62-0 in his career when the Dodgers score 4 or more. Seriously. Think about that for a second.

Interestingly he has sucked in spring training in both 2013 and 2014.

I get 69-6, discounting relief and ND. Look at 3 of the parks he pitches in, LA, SD, and SF. Three of the toughest parks in MLB to score in. There are 150 starts in which he started and got the decision, of these 93 games or 62% were played in these parks. Any decent pitcher would have a bulging win % if his team got him 4 runs in any of these 3 parks. Col and ARI are hitter friendly, but the rest of the time Kershaw basically gets a pass.

Compare that to the parks Wainwright has to pitch in, only STL is a reasonable park(tougher this year because of the Cardinals weak hitting), but CHC, CIN, PIT and MIL, all hitter friendly parks.

Also 2013 IP Kershaw 236, Wainwright 241.

Haven't baseball nerds come up with some kind of metric to compensate for ballpark conditions?

I always thought it was weird that baseball has fields of varying dimensions. No other sport that I'm aware of does that. Also, half the league playing with different rules (DH), further muddying the data.

[Sanlmar]

Haven't baseball nerds come up with some kind of metric to compensate for ballpark conditions?

FIPs & DIPs & chains and WHIPs

FIP-

● FIP is not league or park adjusted meaning that pitchers in good pitcher’s parks will have consistently lower FIPs and pitchers who pitch during eras of lower run scoring will have consistently lower FIPs. To control for both of those factors, FanGraphs offers FIP-, which is a park and league adjusted version of the statistic.

Kershaw crushes all fielding independent stats. Parks aren't an issue.

K/9 is easier to digest. Strikeouts are park independent and he leads league

[Brittney Griner's Clit]

I get 69-6, discounting relief and ND. Look at 3 of the parks he pitches in, LA, SD, and SF. Three of the toughest parks in MLB to score in. There are 150 starts in which he started and got the decision, of these 93 games or 62% were played in these parks. Any decent pitcher would have a bulging win % if his team got him 4 runs in any of these 3 parks. Col and ARI are hitter friendly, but the rest of the time Kershaw basically gets a pass.

Compare that to the parks Wainwright has to pitch in, only STL is a reasonable park(tougher this year because of the Cardinals weak hitting), but CHC, CIN, PIT and MIL, all hitter friendly parks.

Also 2013 IP Kershaw 236, Wainwright 241.

Haven't baseball nerds come up with some kind of metric to compensate for ballpark conditions?

I always thought it was weird that baseball has fields of varying dimensions. No other sport that I'm aware of does that. Also, half the league playing with different rules (DH), further muddying the data.

No. Noooo. WOW! Up until now that hasn't been thought about... by anybody... at all. Get ready to model for your statue in Cooperstown big boy.

[Dan Druff]

His road ERA is something like 1.85.

Kershaw was worn out by the time he got to NLCS Game 6. He actually almost never gets bombed, so that was a fluke.

He got bombed once this year, 7 ER against Arizona shortly after returning from injury. Other than that, he always keeps the score low.

He is like 62-0 in his career when the Dodgers score 4 or more. Seriously. Think about that for a second.

Interestingly he has sucked in spring training in both 2013 and 2014.

I get 69-6, discounting relief and ND. Look at 3 of the parks he pitches in, LA, SD, and SF. Three of the toughest parks in MLB to score in. There are 150 starts in which he started and got the decision, of these 93 games or 62% were played in these parks. Any decent pitcher would have a bulging win % if his team got him 4 runs in any of these 3 parks. Col and ARI are hitter friendly, but the rest of the time Kershaw basically gets a pass.

Compare that to the parks Wainwright has to pitch in, only STL is a reasonable park(tougher this year because of the Cardinals weak hitting), but CHC, CIN, PIT and MIL, all hitter friendly parks.

Also 2013 IP Kershaw 236, Wainwright 241.

The 62-0 stat was reported on several broadcasts. Where were the 6 losses?

You mentioned yourself that Colorado and Arizona are hitter friendly, and the Dodgers play as many games on the road in those places as they do in SF and SD. And Colorado is much more of a hitters' park than any pitchers' park is a pitchers' park. So no matter which way you slice it, Kershaw is not enjoying the benefit of pitchers' parks on the road, yet his ERA is a spectacular 1.85. He's not one of those pitchers who owns at Dodger Stadium but gets clobbered on the road. I have seen many of those "good" pitchers over the years and agree they were overrated, but Kershaw isn't.

As I said before, Wainwright's problem is that he gets bombed too often. For the last 2 years, he has had a number of absolutely terrible starts, and then he pretty much owns the rest of the time. Kershaw almost never gets bombed. In fact, Greinke doesn't either, but Greinke's typical start is not nearly as good as the Kershaw or Wainwright typical start.

[Brittney Griner's Clit]

SrslySirius, since you hung up the microphone you can go around revolutionizing sports in dynamite Internet posts. Your next one should be to remove the mountains in Denver.

Hell, Sonadanglingchadatine and people of his ilk think deep underground bases exist under that city big enough to build the cookie cutter ballpark of your dream.

[Sanlmar]

Dear Clayton; Love, Pedro
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/pe...ayton-kershaw/



Grantland writer compares Kershaw to Pedro Martinez in 2000. It alludes to this ballpark issue.

I object to the comparison but he is now in the conversation.
Kershaw plays in a slapnut NL division.
Pedro played against the iron including NY Yankees during the juicer era.

Link in article to Washington Post’s website arguing Kershaw is having the best season of any pitcher since 1995.

[simpdog]

Team plop

[WillieMcFML]

diePLOPdie.com coming soon

[SrslySirius]

SrslySirius, since you hung up the microphone you can go around revolutionizing sports in dynamite Internet posts. Your next one should be to remove the mountains in Denver.

Hell, Sonadanglingchadatine and people of his ilk think deep underground bases exist under that city big enough to build the cookie cutter ballpark of your dream.

As a guy that tries very hard to pretend to know what he's talking about, I can see why you would confuse someone asking questions for attempting to speak authoritatively. But I was genuinely asking out of curiosity. I have openly admitted many times on this forum that I'm ignorant on this topic.

It's good to admit that you don't know things. You should try it some time.

[DJ_Chaps]

new hof pic for this week only

[chinamaniac]

Dear Clayton; Love, Pedro
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/pe...ayton-kershaw/



Grantland writer compares Kershaw to Pedro Martinez in 2000. It alludes to this ballpark issue.

I object to the comparison but he is now in the conversation.
Kershaw plays in a slapnut NL division.
Pedro played against the iron including NY Yankees during the juicer era.

Link in article to Washington Post’s website arguing Kershaw is having the best season of any pitcher since 1995.

Pedro had like a 1.75 era one of those years in the late 90s or early 2000s and the league average was like 4.75 and the AL east was stacked with hitters and the league juicers although Pedro may have been juicing himself. Kershaws era is about half the league average

The more I thought about today Chris Sale is having a better season than Kershaw THIS SEASON. Give him Petco, Qualcom and Dodger stadium and the ability to face a pitcher 2-3 x a game and some scrub pinch hitter the other at bat or 2 + the ability to pitch around the 7-8 hitters and I think he produces the same #s maybe better than Kershaw and they aren't too far off as they stand now

I'm not dismissing Kershaw here either as he is the best in the game

[Brittney Griner's Clit]

Wainwright can always polish his World Series ring if he starts to feel sad and second best.

Actually, him and Kershaw are pretty similar dudes. Both religious guys, married to their high school sweethearts. Maybe since it's a plop thread, we will find out they are secretly fucking.

Intentional ring comment/ Druff bait, but no bite. My troll needs to be stronger.

SrslySirius, since you hung up the microphone you can go around revolutionizing sports in dynamite Internet posts. Your next one should be to remove the mountains in Denver.

Hell, Sonadanglingchadatine and people of his ilk think deep underground bases exist under that city big enough to build the cookie cutter ballpark of your dream.

As a guy that tries very hard to pretend to know what he's talking about, I can see why you would confuse someone asking questions for attempting to speak authoritatively. But I was genuinely asking out of curiosity. I have openly admitted many times on this forum that I'm ignorant on this topic.

It's good to admit that you don't know things. You should try it some time.

I admit that constantly. Go back to songs.

[Brittney Griner's Clit]

Look I don't even know how to quote from a phone. You are obviously trying to tilt me with your comment I hope. It worked. Basically my mantra is that we all know nothing. Unless you are illuminati I'm a hell of a lot closer than you though.

[Sanlmar]

new hof pic for this week only

Willie McGee always included in the "ugliest baseball players of all time" list.

I also remember the chant, "Where would you be without Willie McGee?"

[Crowe Diddly]

I always thought it was weird that baseball has fields of varying dimensions. No other sport that I'm aware of does that.

Boxing rings. MMA cages, even within the same organization. Nascar tracks, and other motor sports. Golf courses. Soccer fields vary. I remember hearing that Man City and Man United have the biggest fields (OK, pitches) in the Premier League. Tennis courts can be on grass, clay, other stuffs, etc.