Borgata Finds "Significant Number of Counterfeit Chips," Cancels Event 1

[garrett]

On the two posts above great points, and really should be mentioned because it is not in this thread yet. The Borgata did not end this tournament, its very clear in the wording the Department of Gaming "ordered" this tournament be ended and prize pool suspended.

Obviously this could be par for the course, but it also kinda make you wonder, was Borgata trying to run the event to conclusion, and DGE "ordered" it to be stopped. The Borgata is a poker player haven on the east coast, surely Dealers, Staff etc are very well aware of a vast majority of players, not saying that was part of this, I just find the wording interesting that the Tournament was "ordered" stopped by the DGE and not Borgata.


It sounds like the DGE pulled rank on the Borgata on the surface, but why.

[Steve-O]

It sounds like the DGE pulled rank on the Borgata on the surface, but why.

I don't know, maybe it has something to do with the DGE being the regulatory body that oversees gaming in New Jersey (Division of Gaming Enforcement) and investigates matters like this?

Borgata thinks something is amiss and conducts preliminary investigation.... Borgata confirms there are 1 million in extra chips.... DGE is called and brought in to investigate.... DGE makes decision on how to proceed

[garrett]

It sounds like the DGE pulled rank on the Borgata on the surface, but why.

I don't know, maybe it has something to do with the DGE being the regulatory body that oversees gaming in New Jersey (Division of Gaming Enforcement) and investigates matters like this?

Borgata thinks something is amiss and conducts preliminary investigation.... Borgata confirms there are 1 million in extra chips.... DGE is called and brought in to investigate.... DGE makes decision on how to proceed

Thanks Captain obvious.

Unbeknownst to you and your homeboy Deal, I know how this all works. I was just shedding a little light on one of the finer points largely left out of this thread so far. And I did mention it could be par for the course, but don't just assume because this is the chain of command, that means it is exactly how this went down. Clearly the DGE ordered stoppage.

Also I don't really care who you are, your regurgitated old Daniel Negreanu copy and past in the thread, shows your motivation. You are clearly someone looking to promote yourself, in whatever it is you do. And in all honestly, I am not interested. Just know this take a step back, you have been clearly misinformed about me, as have many around these parts.

Keep your comments in this thread on point, and stop regurgitating your own old articles for self gain, thanks.

[Hockey Guy]

I don't know, maybe it has something to do with the DGE being the regulatory body that oversees gaming in New Jersey (Division of Gaming Enforcement) and investigates matters like this?

Borgata thinks something is amiss and conducts preliminary investigation.... Borgata confirms there are 1 million in extra chips.... DGE is called and brought in to investigate.... DGE makes decision on how to proceed

Thanks Captain obvious.

Unbeknownst to you and your homeboy Deal, I know how this all works. I was just shedding a little light on one of the finer points largely left out of this thread so far. And I did mention it could be par for the course, but don't just assume because this is the chain of command, that means it is exactly how this went down. Clearly the DGE ordered stoppage.

Also I don't really care who you are, your regurgitated old Daniel Negreanu copy and past in the thread, shows your motivation. You are clearly someone looking to promote yourself, in whatever it is you do. And in all honestly, I am not interested. Just know this take a step back, you have been clearly misinformed about me, as have many around these parts.

Keep your comments in this thread on point, and stop regurgitating your own old articles for self gain, thanks.

Steve brings a pretty good perspective on a lot of topics. I don't see what you're so pissed about. You asked why & he told you why.

You take the internet way too seriously dude. BTW you forgot to challenge him to the obligatory HU4 rolls challenge.

[Deal]

I don't know, maybe it has something to do with the DGE being the regulatory body that oversees gaming in New Jersey (Division of Gaming Enforcement) and investigates matters like this?

Borgata thinks something is amiss and conducts preliminary investigation.... Borgata confirms there are 1 million in extra chips.... DGE is called and brought in to investigate.... DGE makes decision on how to proceed

Thanks Captain obvious.

Unbeknownst to you and your homeboy Deal, I know how this all works. I was just shedding a little light on one of the finer points largely left out of this thread so far. And I did mention it could be par for the course, but don't just assume because this is the chain of command, that means it is exactly how this went down. Clearly the DGE ordered stoppage.

Also I don't really care who you are, your regurgitated old Daniel Negreanu copy and past in the thread, shows your motivation. You are clearly someone looking to promote yourself, in whatever it is you do. And in all honestly, I am not interested. Just know this take a step back, you have been clearly misinformed about me, as have many around these parts.

Keep your comments in this thread on point, and stop regurgitating your own old articles for self gain, thanks.

You have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you know very little about anything. There is no doubt you also believe you are one of the top 1% of all drivers, great in bed, a poker phenom, the greatest reader of people you know and a whole whack of other skills that have never been measured or when they have, like poker, you make believe you lose out of bad luck and variance. You simply suck at life and way over value any speck of information your pea brain has retained over the years.

Case closed.

[Steve-O]

I don't know, maybe it has something to do with the DGE being the regulatory body that oversees gaming in New Jersey (Division of Gaming Enforcement) and investigates matters like this?

Borgata thinks something is amiss and conducts preliminary investigation.... Borgata confirms there are 1 million in extra chips.... DGE is called and brought in to investigate.... DGE makes decision on how to proceed

Thanks Captain obvious.

Unbeknownst to you and your homeboy Deal, I know how this all works. I was just shedding a little light on one of the finer points largely left out of this thread so far. And I did mention it could be par for the course, but don't just assume because this is the chain of command, that means it is exactly how this went down. Clearly the DGE ordered stoppage.

Also I don't really care who you are, your regurgitated old Daniel Negreanu copy and past in the thread, shows your motivation. You are clearly someone looking to promote yourself, in whatever it is you do. And in all honestly, I am not interested. Just know this take a step back, you have been clearly misinformed about me, as have many around these parts.

Keep your comments in this thread on point, and stop regurgitating your own old articles for self gain, thanks.

The whole implication of your post is that there is something shady going on behind the scenes and the DGE had to step in, but if you actually followed the story (and not just the forum gossip) you would know that the proper protocol was followed from the get go; Borgata notified the DGE as soon as something was amiss. You said "the wording was interesting" and I explained that it's simply SOP.

Also, if I was promoting myself I would have posted the link to the blog, which I do if it's on topic, but since it was only a couple paragraphs of pertinent info from the blog post on the QJ radio show I just copy/pasted the snippet that applied. My agenda here is I spent a lot of time on PFA when the site first got off the ground and enjoy the intelligent poker related discussions, so I still contribute here and there. The only shameless promotion I did on here was when I was working on a scammers/cheaters series.

So what's your angle?

[garrett]

Thanks Captain obvious.

Unbeknownst to you and your homeboy Deal, I know how this all works. I was just shedding a little light on one of the finer points largely left out of this thread so far. And I did mention it could be par for the course, but don't just assume because this is the chain of command, that means it is exactly how this went down. Clearly the DGE ordered stoppage.

Also I don't really care who you are, your regurgitated old Daniel Negreanu copy and past in the thread, shows your motivation. You are clearly someone looking to promote yourself, in whatever it is you do. And in all honestly, I am not interested. Just know this take a step back, you have been clearly misinformed about me, as have many around these parts.

Keep your comments in this thread on point, and stop regurgitating your own old articles for self gain, thanks.

The whole implication of your post is that there is something shady going on behind the scenes and the DGE had to step in, but if you actually followed the story (and not just the forum gossip) you would know that the proper protocol was followed from the get go; Borgata notified the DGE as soon as something was amiss. You said "the wording was interesting" and I explained that it's simply SOP.

Also, if I was promoting myself I would have posted the link to the blog, which I do if it's on topic, but since it was only a couple paragraphs of pertinent info from the blog post on the QJ radio show I just copy/pasted the snippet that applied. My agenda here is I spent a lot of time on PFA when the site first got off the ground and enjoy the intelligent poker related discussions, so I still contribute here and there. The only shameless promotion I did on here was when I was working on a scammers/cheaters series.

So what's your angle?

It's all just speculation...


Their is plenty of less interesting things to talk about, across many a places these days. If that is an angle, then so be it.

[IamGreek]

Don't know what to make of this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1658

Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open - Cancels eve
Ok time some facts .
An arrest will be made Monday. Or I should say the responsible party will be turning themselves in on Monday.
There was NO inside involvement. This will be extremely bizarre as the reasons are complicated. There was never supposed to be extra chips added. It was more of a "set someone up" kinda thing. Any avid poker player knows its impossible to put 200 plus extra chips in play. If so the other 5 million would have been added too. What happened is some of the chips were "stolen" and put in play by probably several people. There are reasons and explanations that simply can't be revealed. Someday maybe? But the of the matter is this was NOT supposed to have happened. The state will be pressing the steepest charges they can by law. After all someone has to take the blame and punishment. I can tell you that the person responsible is at a loss for words at the mess. It is unforgivable, and for many never forgotten. One day the exact story shall prevail. Some time in jail will allow plenty of time for writing a book perhaps. Who knows.

justbecauseican
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open - Cancels eve
It's real. I'm the responsible party. Should hit the news Monday.

justbecauseican
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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open - Cancels eve
I'm not guilty for the cheating, but I am responsible. I plan to accept responsibility. My name will be all over the net Monday.
justbecauseican is online now

Men the Master had absolutely nothing to do with it. It not a SCHEME to cheat. You simply can't add junky looking spray painted chips to a tournament, obviously!! I'm not making this up. Not looking for a book deal. I was just saying that everyone deserves to know the real story. Those reasons can't be explained right now. Legal issues. I just felt that the players need to know what's gonna be happening. As far as the Borgata and reimbursement I have no idea. My best guess is that the chips fell in the hands of some young guns...and several of them added a few at a time. Probably didn't even cash. If surveillance has them on camera that I do not know. But chips were stolen and used, and that was not the purpose of them. Yes this is complicated and hard to comprehend, but that is all I can say at this point. Sorry doesn't even come close. I caused this mess, and I'll do some jail time and pay the piper. I'm sure everyone would prefer tarred and feathered thought.


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Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open - Cancels eve
No.... nobody looking for attention. Some of it may not come out in court proceedings. Someone may be in jeopardy of harm if the facts came out in state court. I am waiting until Monday because I am trying to arrange bond etc. They are throwing harsh charges and very high bond. Plus I may not be going anywhere for a while. Getting some affairs in order. I'm sorry that it is confusing and frustrating. That is simply all I can say for now. Don't make accusations of who you think it was intended for as you will all be wrong. My reason for even posting was simply to let everyone know that this will end Monday as far as the criminal aspect. As far as refunds and such I would think Borgata will do the right thing. That's all for now. The only other thing I can mention is once I found out the chips made it into play, I flushed the rest down the toilet. Why the toilet? I don't know. If Harrah's had better plumbing I may not be posting this right now. Gotta go.

[garrett]

Thanks for posting this here IamGreek. I am one of those who is banned from 4 lol. Have not read anything on that site in a couple of years.

I am assuming this is the culprit. Some things he said are really awful, like "someone has to take the blame and punishment", really?

This guy is either hammered when typing this, not American or this whole thing is a troll. I honestly believe this is one of the culprits, and lol he is so smart he tried to FLUSH the extra ~300 chips down a Harrahs toilet bowl, then blamed Harrahs "Plumbing" for not being better and why he was ultimately caught. Or else his post would have never been made (huh)???

This person may be out of touch with reality. Or just a total level, if not this guy sounds about as retarded as someone who would introduce a few hundred fake chips into a 2 million dollar poker tournament. Also the "several young guns" leaves much to be desired, he is just teasing and acting like he is the fall guy here. When apparently this was a bigger scheme than he is leading onto. Oh yea and everything was just a big misunderstanding(lol)?

Please keep us banned from that site filled in thanks...

[garrett]

Don't know what to make of this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1658

Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open - Cancels eve
Ok time some facts .
An arrest will be made Monday. Or I should say the responsible party will be turning themselves in on Monday.
There was NO inside involvement. This will be extremely bizarre as the reasons are complicated. There was never supposed to be extra chips added. It was more of a "set someone up" kinda thing. Any avid poker player knows its impossible to put 200 plus extra chips in play. If so the other 5 million would have been added too. What happened is some of the chips were "stolen" and put in play by probably several people. There are reasons and explanations that simply can't be revealed. Someday maybe? But the of the matter is this was NOT supposed to have happened. The state will be pressing the steepest charges they can by law. After all someone has to take the blame and punishment. I can tell you that the person responsible is at a loss for words at the mess. It is unforgivable, and for many never forgotten. One day the exact story shall prevail. Some time in jail will allow plenty of time for writing a book perhaps. Who knows.

justbecauseican
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Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 5
Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open - Cancels eve
It's real. I'm the responsible party. Should hit the news Monday.

justbecauseican
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Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 5
Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open - Cancels eve
I'm not guilty for the cheating, but I am responsible. I plan to accept responsibility. My name will be all over the net Monday.
justbecauseican is online now

Men the Master had absolutely nothing to do with it. It not a SCHEME to cheat. You simply can't add junky looking spray painted chips to a tournament, obviously!! I'm not making this up. Not looking for a book deal. I was just saying that everyone deserves to know the real story. Those reasons can't be explained right now. Legal issues. I just felt that the players need to know what's gonna be happening. As far as the Borgata and reimbursement I have no idea. My best guess is that the chips fell in the hands of some young guns...and several of them added a few at a time. Probably didn't even cash. If surveillance has them on camera that I do not know. But chips were stolen and used, and that was not the purpose of them. Yes this is complicated and hard to comprehend, but that is all I can say at this point. Sorry doesn't even come close. I caused this mess, and I'll do some jail time and pay the piper. I'm sure everyone would prefer tarred and feathered thought.


Posts: 5
Re: Borgata Floor Finds Tons of Counterfeit 5k Chips in Event 1 Winter Poker Open - Cancels eve
No.... nobody looking for attention. Some of it may not come out in court proceedings. Someone may be in jeopardy of harm if the facts came out in state court. I am waiting until Monday because I am trying to arrange bond etc. They are throwing harsh charges and very high bond. Plus I may not be going anywhere for a while. Getting some affairs in order. I'm sorry that it is confusing and frustrating. That is simply all I can say for now. Don't make accusations of who you think it was intended for as you will all be wrong. My reason for even posting was simply to let everyone know that this will end Monday as far as the criminal aspect. As far as refunds and such I would think Borgata will do the right thing. That's all for now. The only other thing I can mention is once I found out the chips made it into play, I flushed the rest down the toilet. Why the toilet? I don't know. If Harrah's had better plumbing I may not be posting this right now. Gotta go.

Obviously he does not know how an arrest affidavit works.

The State when they arrest him on Monday (assuming this is not a troll), will have all the probable cause included in the arrest affidavit, which is public record.

Also a book deal, really, I mean this guy I hope is not some overly well thought of "pro" because he lacks really fundamental and simple logic. The only book people would be interested in reading, is the one of the chip leaders, with no 6 figure scores who were cheated of possible career/life changing money and opportunity. Not that of the one who cheated them from that opportunity.

Again way out of touch with reality...

[Erin Micunt]

Seems extremely fake to me

[Hockey Guy]

Seems extremely fake to me

I agree.

[IamGreek]

Me thinks we need Super Sleuth Druff to break this down for us, No?

[Steve-O]

Guy on 2+2 was legit: http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/c...a4bcf887a.html

[garrett]

Guy on 2+2 was legit: http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/c...a4bcf887a.html

This guy must not have learned. From 2008

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3684348/

"The owner of the house, Christian Patrick Lusardi, 36, was charged with gambling and illegal alcohol sales. His mother, Diana Lusardi, was charged with illegal gambling."

[BeerAndPoker]

[shortbuspoker]

Guy on 2+2 was legit: http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/c...a4bcf887a.html

I don't like that article title. It makes it sound like he had $2.7 in real money chips knowing that the average joe reading will not know that the tourney chips have no cash value. Also big LOL for trying to flush the damned things.

[bukowski72]

Guy on 2+2 was legit: http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/c...a4bcf887a.html

That doesn't make him legit. The Harrah's story was already sem-public by the time of his posts. Even if it were the same guy his explanation is very dumb. The chips were stolen from him. This doesn't account for him bringing the chips from NC to AC. Were they playing mock tournaments in his room?

I am 99% sure I have played poker with this guy in the underground games here. I expect I will know some of the other people that were involved because they are probably from NC. I haven't played any underground games in months but I may soon as there is a new game that just started in a nice luxury location about 2 miles from my mom's house. Tempted I am.

[Steve-O]

Guy on 2+2 was legit: http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/c...a4bcf887a.html

That doesn't make him legit. The Harrah's story was already sem-public by the time of his posts. Even if it were the same guy his explanation is very dumb. The chips were stolen from him. This doesn't account for him bringing the chips from NC to AC. Were they playing mock tournaments in his room?

I am 99% sure I have played poker with this guy in the underground games here. I expect I will know some of the other people that were involved because they are probably from NC. I haven't played any underground games in months but I may soon as there is a new game that just started in a nice luxury location about 2 miles from my mom's house. Tempted I am.

His explanation is bogus, as he probably thinks he can keep the investigation focused on him and not implicate others by taking this line. that part is pure BS, but I tend to believe that the 2+2 poster was him based on the flushing.

The story is that he was using them for some other purpose and they were stolen and used in the tournament by thieves. this way he is absolving himself of introducing them, and stopping the investigation at himself. At least that's how it appears to me. Obviously this won't work since he built a massive stack during his opening flight and was the chip-leader --so we pretty much know who used them

[Dan Druff]

This is really a hilarious story. LOL @ flushing chips down the toilet.



As Steve-O said, claiming that his chips were somehow stolen and misused is ridiculous, especially when he was a big chip leader early in the tournament.

Idiot thought he had a brilliant plan to win that tournament and it all unraveled.