One more long post...

This whole cla situation is becoming a clusterfuck for numerous reasons.

cla gets action with Weiss and badguy. Taking action from badguy in the first place is a red flag making you wonder why anyone at this point would do that unless they were freerolling themselves knowing they probably were going to be freerolled.

cla wins both bets. badguy wasn't going to pay him and Weiss was out of town then I believe sent a check but then cancelled when he realized he wasn't going to get paid on the next bet.

simpdog accepted action from cla which I'm not going to come down on him for it but I will say their are better people he could get action from. Their were no policies put in that BOTH parties must have escrowed the money prior to the game yet they were using an escrow? This defeats one of the key purposes to having an escrow in the first place as you want them to hold the money prior to a game then ship it out afterward.

Some others now think badguy should ship to simpdog and the debt is a wash which financially that sounds ok BUT it's wrong because we don't know if cla had any funds to cover these bets in the first place and it basically means he could keep on betting freerolling it up and hope his wins would settle with his losses. This is terrible on so many levels.

So... the whole situation is a big mess.

Everyone should have used an escrow in the first place imo. Bets the following week which an escrow was agreed upon cla never sent prior to the game claiming he had paypal then when it was time to pay he said his account was having issues.

Had cla won from simpdog then how does cla look after that? A guy who was clearly freerolling now would have been owed from both badguy and simpdog which I'm not saying simp wouldn't have paid him BUT technically he was being freerolled all along so perhaps they bet another week and break even or they don't and cla don't pay Weiss what he owes him so then simpdog is in a weird spot of whether to pay someone because he thinks he was being freerolled or not?

Some others might think they could bet cla after this and then just not pay him since they know he was freerolling himself so if cla never paid those people then they feel they wouldn't have to pay him. This is horrible logic but some might try that and hope that cla would come out ahead somewhere along the line then actually pay them.

All I will say is for the future if someone don't want to go through an online book and is really going to bet with PFA members then:

1. Use an escrow 100% of the time.

2. Money must be received by escrow by a certain time prior to any game starting otherwise bet is determined as no action.

3. Don't say your going to bet and then bail out not sending your money in prior to the game otherwise that escrow has a right to say "Your not allowed to use me anymore" and the potential shady bettor should be called out in the forum for not sending prior to the game causing a no action bet.

4. The escrow who should be someone considered trust worthy in the community (Druff) confirms the bet is action when both parties have sent in and escrow ships to the winner afterward.

^^^^ - follow this protocol in the future and transactions will go more smoothly.

Anyone can place a blame or criticize certain people for the way they handled this thing which obviously cla is a scammer/freeroller/welcher but without a system like the basic one I described above when betting with folks on the internet your just asking for controversy.