Chris Moneymaker a scammer? Say it isn't so!

[Dan Druff]

However, while Chris' desperation is evident and actually kind of sad, these texts don't change the situation at all.

I already mentioned earlier in this thread that I concluded Chris was broke at the time of the bet, and couldn't pay Jason if he lost. This simply verifies that assumption, which wasn't a very difficult one to make.

Moneymaker's justification for not paying (after 18 months!) was that he was being freerolled. We know now with absolute certainty that Moneymaker was freerolling himself - making bets that he couldn't settle if he lost. So how can his justification be valid? With hindsight there's certainly some doubt whether Jason would have paid - we can't really be sure either way - but Moneymaker most definitely went into the whole thing knowing perfectly well he was broke. Don't understand how you can side with Moneymaker here. Maybe he should offer 50% as a settlement but you think he owes nothing after reading those texts??? He's exhibiting all the classic signs and excuses of a scammer himself while I still believe Jason was just cutting corners like hell and becoming over-extended in an attempt to make it as a bookie. Once a bookie doesn't pay it ends their business so I still think Jason was semi-solvent at that point and would have found a way to pay if Moneymaker had won that week.

He wasn't semi-solvent.

Both were broke, and a long line of Jason's creditors have come forward in that 2+2 thread.

Jason was doing more than "cutting corners". He was freerolling, and clearly had zero ability to pay Chris, had he won.

Furthermore, Jason did an additional scummy thing by creating a fictitious character booking the bets, thus allowing himself to wriggle off the hook if he lost (blaming the unknown bookie).

Chris was also freerolling.

The whole bet should be void, since it was a double freeroll, with the added complication of a fictitious third party supposedly booking Jason's side of the action.

Had Chris won the bet, though, I would have been on Jason's side, especially after seeing these texts.

Basically, I'm on the side of whomever is being asked to pay in this double-scam. No money should change hands in this clusterfuck.