Dutch Boyd

[BeerAndPoker]

Video is hilarious.

It's hard to believe Dutch completely but I would say for the most part of what he says is true with some exaggeration.

[Dan Druff]

I don't appreciate the poker parody stuff that much as I'm old. I know most do, and I find him simply ok on radio, but Thomas has done really good, candid videos with subjects that are oft-mocked, and that isn't easy to pull off. Really a job well done by him this summer. Must be a disarming kid to get these people to be so frank about less than ideal situations. Have really enjoyed all his videos this year. He's approached all the different interviews from smart angles, and gotten stuff that people generally don't want to put on the record, or is awkward conversation. He seems to have found his niche, and has good insight into what will make a solid interview.

As bizarre as the content of that last video, Boyd strangely seemed more sane than I have seen him recently. Shit was obviously chaotic, but he wasn't as manic as times before. He must have his meds straight to a degree.

Disagree with you about the poker parody stuff (I thought most of it was really good), but I agree with your analysis about the interviews this year.

He did a great job getting them to talk, touched upon all of the right subjects, and edited them to where the videos were about the subjects and you didn't even hear Srsly's voice.

These blow away the Quadjacks interviews, IMO.

[chinamaniac]

I don't appreciate the poker parody stuff that much as I'm old. I know most do, and I find him simply ok on radio, but Thomas has done really good, candid videos with subjects that are oft-mocked, and that isn't easy to pull off. Really a job well done by him this summer. Must be a disarming kid to get these people to be so frank about less than ideal situations. Have really enjoyed all his videos this year. He's approached all the different interviews from smart angles, and gotten stuff that people generally don't want to put on the record, or is awkward conversation. He seems to have found his niche, and has good insight into what will make a solid interview.

As bizarre as the content of that last video, Boyd strangely seemed more sane than I have seen him recently. Shit was obviously chaotic, but he wasn't as manic as times before. He must have his meds straight to a degree.

Disagree with you about the poker parody stuff (I thought most of it was really good), but I agree with your analysis about the interviews this year.

He did a great job getting them to talk, touched upon all of the right subjects, and edited them to where the videos were about the subjects and you didn't even hear Srsly's voice.

These blow away the Quadjacks interviews, IMO.

Ya more content that u want to hear in a short span.

The quadjacks interviews are hit or miss, I listened to a few and the one with laak was just brutal IMO

[Dan Druff]

Getting back to the stuff Dutch said...

I actually believe him regarding all or most of what he said regarding both Fischman and the Quad.

This was too bizarre for him to fabricate. Who would ever make up a story that Scott was paranoid that Cyndy Violette was cheating him? While I'm sure Dutch is no peach to live with, I totally believe that Fischman was whacked out on all sorts of drugs and completely lost his mind. I could actually picture all of this happening as Dutch was describing it. First he was just dismissing Fischman's paranoid rants as drug-fueled nonsense, but then knew big trouble was coming when Fischman started accusing him of sneaking into his room and leaving a bottle of water there. Shortly thereafter, he received a rambling letter telling everyone to GTFO. I totally believe all of this.

Caesars' rebranding of Imperial Palace to The Quad was actually a good idea, as they took a dirty, has-been, piece-of-shit property with a bad reputation (and a former owner associated with the Nazi movement), and ditched all of that baggage. Unfortunately, this was the ultimate case of lipstick-on-a-pig syndrome. They remodeled the lobby and casino areas to where they don't look awful (I actually checked it out a few months ago), but I imagine that it was just too expensive to renovate the entire hotel to where it improved all that much. I heard that they spent money renovating the rooms after purchasing it about 8 years ago, but I keep hearing reports that it's still a shithole.

The "Pet Stay" rooms have to be terrible, as you're no longer just staying in a pets-allowed room (where pets occasionally show up), but rather ones where pets are there every night. This is much worse than a house with pets, because a hotel room is a much smaller area. I believe Dutch when he said it smelled like 100 cats took a piss simultaneously and then died there.

Regarding him not cashing in this year's WSOP (despite what he claims to be $50k in buyins), he blames "tournament rust". I don't believe that. Like Dutch, I also had not played any tournaments since last year's WSOP. That didn't stop me from cashing in the first event I played this year, making Day 2 in five of the seven events I played, and finishing 5th in the $5k Limit event. I can tell you that I didn't feel at all "rusty". Even if he did, one or two tournaments should have cured that "rust" if it's only been a year. (I would more accept this excuse from a guy who hasn't played since 1995.)

Chinamaniac is correct that variance is huge in these things, which is the reason I have struggled so badly at the $1500 Limit Holdem since finishing 3rd in 2005 (nine straight non-cashes). It's the same reason unstoppable forces one year can completely brick the next. So, yes, I believe Dutch was definitely victimized by negative variance, just as he benefited from positive variance when he won that Limit 6-Max event a few years ago.

But I think it's also more than that.

I think that some successful players from the past are obsolete by today's standards. The game has changed a lot. If you don't change along with it, you will get crushed. I haven't seen Dutch play recently, so I can't comment on how his game matches up with today's players, but it's very possible that his style just doesn't work anymore. I'm not going to name names, but I've seen a lot of successful pros from the '90s and'00s look just completely clueless at the WSOP in recent years. Like, I know they think they're still a favorite, but I generally put them as mostly dead money. I give guys like Hellmuth credit for adapting and still being able to crush. I know that my own tournament game is far from perfect, but I can also tell you that I know how the game has changed, and I know that I'm not at all the same tournament player as I was five years ago. How many "name" pros from last decade can honestly say the same?

[TheXFactor]

The Quad=Imperial Place=Shithole

There is going to be alot more of re-branding shithole hotels in Las Vegas.

They are spending over $700 million to transform to old rundown Sahara into
a luxury SLS Hotel brand.


Dutch Boyd is just a broke, degrenerate who remembers how well he played
poker, in his early 20's, back in 2004.

He no longer has the skills or mental stamina to win poker tournaments.

What moron gave Dutch Boyd $50K to spend at the WSOP this year?

Dutch Boyd ended day 2c of the WSOP main event with $121K in chips.

[ftpjesus]

What do you think of this? http://t.co/oIKGNBkGG2

1. Wonder what kind of drugs Scott Fischman is on ? What type of drugs can make a person that delusional? Isn't he a Seals Pro? Could be partly a mental illness too

2. Boyd can probably make money @ poker but it seems he is just not motivated.

3. Maybe part of his bad series is "rust" but another thing is players have gotten better

4. And there is a thing called variance and a lot of the MTT "pros" don't seem to understand how it works. I'm not saying Boyd don't understand that but if you follow a lot of pros on twitter they complain a shitload about running bad for the series etc... 20 events is a MINISCULE sample but if he was rusty then maybe he just didn't play well enough.

5. The Quad is a total shithole. have never stayed there but have been in a room. It is filthy

They should tear down and or remodel that dump and the Excalibur

Actually was at the Quad a couple week ago. Ceasers is in the middle of a 1/2 Billion renovation of the place which includes the new area being built between Quad and Flamingo where Guy Fieri's resturant is going in (The Linq).
Honestly other then some areas blocked off for renovation its alot better then it used to be from what I understand. Had no complaints while there honestly. room was clean and since we werent right by the elevators it wasnt too noisy. Im guessing it depends on where your staying there was in Tower 3 this time and I suspect Tower 5 is the best of the building but havent seen to know. Only one big plus is sportsbook is pretty easy to get to and not crowded if ya wanna drop some money unlike some bigger spots on the strip. Probably dropped more money at Harrahs next door overall though but the Hash house there is like Waffle House on Crack apparently its fairly well know I guess. Good food but some weird looking shit the way they serve it up.

[ftpjesus]

The Quad=Imperial Place=Shithole

There is going to be alot more of re-branding shithole hotels in Las Vegas.

They are spending over $700 million to transform to old rundown Sahara into
a luxury SLS Hotel brand. *1*


Dutch Boyd is just a broke, degrenerate who remembers how well he played
poker, in his early 20's, back in 2004.

He no longer has the skills or mental stamina to win poker tournaments.

What moron gave Dutch Boyd $50K to spend at the WSOP this year?

Dutch Boyd ended day 2c of the WSOP main event with $121K in chips. *2*

1.Didnt they blow that fucking thing up (the Sahara?)

2. So did Druff basically your point??

[fluffer]

its quite ironic dutch trashing fischman about being crazy and on drugs. I remember reading that dutch actually had to be committed by his brother, also recall dutch talking about going through his gay phase

i find him quite entertaining, enjoy his interviews, he is funny, articulate and self deprecating. Its obvious that he is very intelligent, unfortunately he has many life leaks

[4BET]

there is no difference between micon and "the crew"

all washed up, all totally delusional

wouldn't trust any of them with five bucks

Funny thing is micon looks up to them and is a big poker fan boy of the "crew", I still remember way back when the crew was on espn 'WE ARE TAKING OVER THE POKER WORLD" As it turns out they are a bunch of drug addicts, Nut cases , Busted low life's , One rent payment from being homeless, Well done crew well done

[4BET]

What do you think of this? http://t.co/oIKGNBkGG2

That was awesome.

It just shows how easily Vegas can get a grip on you and drain your soul.

LOL @ staying in a pet room at the Quad. The only more rock bottom than that is death.

So true, In 2005 when i moved from Michigan to Florida 4 friends of mine moved to vegas and tried to talk me in to moving there i said no way i would live in vegas, All of these guys where good poker players and that town busted all of them with in a few years, Not one of them still live there

[Sitting Out]

Getting back to the stuff Dutch said...

...
I think that some successful players from the past are obsolete by today's standards. The game has changed a lot. If you don't change along with it, you will get crushed. I haven't seen Dutch play recently, so I can't comment on how his game matches up with today's players, but it's very possible that his style just doesn't work anymore. I'm not going to name names, but I've seen a lot of successful pros from the '90s and'00s look just completely clueless at the WSOP in recent years. Like, I know they think they're still a favorite, but I generally put them as mostly dead money. I give guys like Hellmuth credit for adapting and still being able to crush. I know that my own tournament game is far from perfect, but I can also tell you that I know how the game has changed, and I know that I'm not at all the same tournament player as I was five years ago. How many "name" pros from last decade can honestly say the same?

this was evidenced very clearly in last year's wsope. ESPN covered the ft showing the hole cards of all the players, not just those in the pot. I recorded it on my tivo--it runs about 4+ hours. Hellmuth's ability to switch gears from tight to aggro (e.g., 3 betting with 74o) was spot on. Aside from one instance of laying on the floor after an opponent's river miracle, my respect for his game was greatly elevated after watching this.

[BeerAndPoker]

Did his kickstarter book ever come out?

[4BET]

Scott is upset SCOTT FISCHMAN @scottfischman88
@DutchBoyd ur results on a lie detector test would match up nicely with ur wsop results #soreloser #bitterpartyof1 #WSOLying #periodtheend

[Texter]

Boyd's tourney results aren't bad, doesn't look like he's been passed by, he is clearly wacko


World The Americas
Total $ 2,122,906 $ 2,122,906
2012 $ 109,994 $ 109,994
2011 $ 66,793 $ 66,793
2010 $ 276,607 $ 276,607
2009 $ 105,095 $ 105,095
2008 $ 321,475 $ 321,475
2007 $ 521,322 $ 521,322
2006 $ 489,800 $ 489,800
2005 $ 46,560 $ 46,560
2004 $ 91,100 $ 91,100
2003 $ 80,000 $ 80,000
2002 $ 14,160 $ 14,160

[sonatine]

Boyd's tourney results aren't bad, doesn't look like he's been passed by, he is clearly wacko


World The Americas
Total $ 2,122,906 $ 2,122,906
2012 $ 109,994 $ 109,994
2011 $ 66,793 $ 66,793
2010 $ 276,607 $ 276,607
2009 $ 105,095 $ 105,095
2008 $ 321,475 $ 321,475
2007 $ 521,322 $ 521,322
2006 $ 489,800 $ 489,800
2005 $ 46,560 $ 46,560
2004 $ 91,100 $ 91,100
2003 $ 80,000 $ 80,000
2002 $ 14,160 $ 14,160

try to imagine how much money he spent for a 2.1m return. over a *decade*.

[shortbuspoker]

Boyd's tourney results aren't bad, doesn't look like he's been passed by, he is clearly wacko


World The Americas
Total $ 2,122,906 $ 2,122,906
2012 $ 109,994 $ 109,994
2011 $ 66,793 $ 66,793
2010 $ 276,607 $ 276,607
2009 $ 105,095 $ 105,095
2008 $ 321,475 $ 321,475
2007 $ 521,322 $ 521,322
2006 $ 489,800 $ 489,800
2005 $ 46,560 $ 46,560
2004 $ 91,100 $ 91,100
2003 $ 80,000 $ 80,000
2002 $ 14,160 $ 14,160

try to imagine how much money he spent for a 2.1m return. over a *decade*.

Plus he isn't getting anywhere near that much money once you figure in taxes and paying his backers. That $67k he made in 2011 probably translated into less money than the high school dropout working the drive thru at Mcdonald's.

[DutchDoDo]

Did his kickstarter book ever come out?

This is what he tweeted earlier today:


"Fairly close with the pokertilt.com book completion. About 320 pages in so far. It's shaping up to be a good read."

[fluffer]

dutch could have been anything, the kids a genius, unfortunately he chose poker which has a habit of spoiling ppl with early success and easy money.

I have friends , who gave up successful and lucrative careers/business to chase the dream of being a poker pro.

''fluffer, its easy money, so many fish, and i work my own hours....geez,it not even work''

early on, they were making on average 3-4k a week, even more when they transitioned to plo, all this while playing live. Then online poker took off, more easy money, but at what cost?

family and friends saw less of them, their health deteriorated. Some put on weight, other lost weight,all skin and bones...they looked and smelled like shit

they then had the misfortune to meet a whore named miss variance...well variance fucked them over big time, especially when it became harder to beat the game

i hear you say, ''why dont the go back to their original, successful careers/businesses?''

unfortunately, being a ''poker pro'' and work ethic are not often used in the same sentence...throw in moral compass either

[sonatine]

dutch could have been anything, the kids a genius

the worlds madhouses, homeless shelters, soup kitchens, prisons, and graveyards are filled with young geniuses.

[chinamaniac]

BOYD IS GOD/thread