There is some belief that this "Pardon Derek Chauvin" campaign by Daily Wire was part of what got Jeremy Boreing fired.
I think the firing was more about all the shit that occurred before that, plus the company losing money, but I can also see that this whole campaign also might have contributed to Boreing's downfall, especially given how he attacked Jason Whitlock on X when Whitlock objected to this campaign.
Chauvin was likely rightfully convicted. He was NOT convicted for anything related to Floyd's race, and I don't believe Chauvin did what he did because Floyd was black. I believe Chauvin was just an abusive cop, and he was in trouble for something similar in 2017.
I do think the state murder charges were excessive, but Trump has no power over those, and his state sentence, which is nearly identical, runs concurrent to his federal sentence.
Federally, he was convicted of using excessive force, which it appears he did.
Regadless, Trump pardoning Chauvin would be a horrible look, would not accomplish getting him out of prison (he'd simply be moved to Minnesota), and the GOP would lose a lot of the gains they made with black voters in 2024.
Big mistake all around.
This whole thing was probably a Jeremy Boreing clickbait idea.
That first episode was pure trash and Daily Wire must be in deep trouble. His recounting of his first arrest in Texas is so nonsensical. Arrested with less than a gram of coke and then launches into how this isn't some youthful indiscretion, he was selling it. That he was a felony drug dealer. Like anyone who was going out in their 20s and liked to party bought a teener for themselves. That isn't being up all night. Just 6 hours while you're out and for personal use. That is 1.75 grams. Less than a gram and he is a drug dealer? That was about $60 worth of drugs at most. Probably $30 in Texas where it is so cheap. Pure gibberish. So clueless and then launched into a long spiel about US policy that had nothing to do with this case. I don't love Shapiro but I expect better out of him than that crap.
1.75g in 6 hours? I think that would even be a lot for me on my best day. IIRC that's half an 8-ball which I think would keep 3-4 people happy for a full night. Lucky you never had a heart attack (me too!).Originally Posted by BCR
Druff is entirely correct about Chauvin. It's a loser of an issue for Trump to get involved with. Not sure what the guy's sentence is but 10-15 years would seem fair. If you had an R gov. in MN and they both pardoned him there would be chaos in the streets so this person has to suffer or else we all do.
Well coke varies and I live in Ohio. Sometimes I’d have some left over. Never less than a gram though in a night. Plus I was in my twenties and you were pushing 50. Either way, less than a gram being a drug dealer is nonsense1.75g in 6 hours? I think that would even be a lot for me on my best day. IIRC that's half an 8-ball which I think would keep 3-4 people happy for a full night. Lucky you never had a heart attack (me too!).
Druff is entirely correct about Chauvin. It's a loser of an issue for Trump to get involved with. Not sure what the guy's sentence is but 10-15 years would seem fair. If you had an R gov. in MN and they both pardoned him there would be chaos in the streets so this person has to suffer or else we all do.
I’m generally pro-police, and anyone calling them racist misses the unfortunate fact that some races commit more crime than others.
It should also be noted that black/Hispanic cops do NOT have a lower rate of brutality allegations than white cops, even involving encounters with their own race.
However, there are abusive, bad apple cops out there, and not enough is done to relieve them of duty. Derek Chauvin was one of them.
He was not a good man, nor wrongly convicted. He’s not the one conservatives should be fighting to free.
Druff- You went purple here.
I disagree with this. Why- All of the physical tactics, maneuvers and holds Chauvin did and used were within the curriculum taught at his police academy. This whole situation just happened to be video taped showing a white cop holding down a black man and saying "I cant breath" that tugged on the liberal hearts across America. Just happened to be a black suspect, white cop and someone with a cell phone camera.AS expected, Floyd's long and extensive criminal record was ignored, because he is a professional victim and repressed. If it was never filmed, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Autopsy report showed that Floyd died of an overdose on fentanyl. There was no damage to his trachea area or any bruising on his neck.
Key aspects of George Floyd's criminal record-
Early arrests (1997-2005): Floyd was arrested multiple times for offenses such as drug possession, theft, and trespassing.
Aggravated robbery conviction (2009): He was sentenced to five years in prison for an aggravated robbery charge stemming from an incident in 2007 where he and others allegedly impersonated utility workers to rob a woman.
Other incidents:
He was once arrested for trespassing while in his own neighborhood.
In 2004, he was convicted of drug possession based on the testimony of a police officer later investigated for falsifying evidence, which led to a posthumous pardon request for that specific conviction.
He had over 20 police encounters in his life.
free Derek and the Boz!!
Druff- You went purple here.
I disagree with this. Why- All of the physical tactics, maneuvers and holds Chauvin did and used were within the curriculum taught at his police academy. This whole situation just happened to be video taped showing a white cop holding down a black man and saying "I cant breath" that tugged on the liberal hearts across America. Just happened to be a black suspect, white cop and someone with a cell phone camera.AS expected, Floyd's long and extensive criminal record was ignored, because he is a professional victim and repressed. If it was never filmed, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Autopsy report showed that Floyd died of an overdose on fentanyl. There was no damage to his trachea area or any bruising on his neck.
Key aspects of George Floyd's criminal record-
Early arrests (1997-2005): Floyd was arrested multiple times for offenses such as drug possession, theft, and trespassing.d
Aggravated robbery conviction (2009): He was sentenced to five years in prison for an aggravated robbery charge stemming from an incident in 2007 where he and others allegedly impersonated utility workers to rob a woman.
Other incidents:
He was once arrested for trespassing while in his own neighborhood.
In 2004, he was convicted of drug possession based on the testimony of a police officer later investigated for falsifying evidence, which led to a posthumous pardon request for that specific conviction.
He had over 20 police encounters in his life.
First off, I banned limitles from the thread because he vomited out 4 pointless YouTube music posts in a row.
George Floyd was undoubtedly a piece of shit. He should not be hailed a hero, and the world is not worse off with him dead.
However, Chauvin didn't need his knee on the guy's neck, especially because he wasn't actively resisting at the time. I do believe he died from what's called "excited delirium", which was partially brought on from the drug use, and partially brought on by his actual claustrophobia. But that doesn't mean Chauvin was innocent. If you have a suspect with claustrophobia who is likely to panic from a type of hold which is unnecessarily forceful (even if not physically damaging), you should loosen up if he is not actively resisting, while at the same time making sure he's secure and can't hurt anyone.
Chauvin had another brutality incident in 2017, and basically was one of those bad cops with a power complex.
I would not call what he did to Floyd murder. It was manslaughter, or at minimum excessive force. I also don't believe the murder was racially motivated, and the same thing likely would have occurred if Floyd were a big white guy with a long criminal history.
But he's no angel, and he's not the one Republicans should be openly backing. As I mentioned, even with a full pardon, he's going to serve almost the same term in state prison, which is actually worse.
Ben Shapiro sounded like a dumbass here, which is uncharacteristic for him. I think he was brainwashed by Jeremy Boreing that taking this position would win more of the far right audience which had abandoned them due to the firing of Candace Owens.
It didn't work, and most people didn't like these videos.
Druff yuou are wrong on this one. You have to watch the entirerty of the body cam video.
Here's whjat happened, cops pull up, Floyd eats a bunch of Fentanyl and OD's.
The media will never show the entirety of the body cam footage, you have to go fiond it. Chauvin was following department procedure. Druff's veered left, next thing you know he'll have green hair and he'll be out on the streets w antifa.
The further you go down the rabbit hole the more you realize that the "t" is silent.
Should have done that along time ago, to most threads.
You got this one right.George Floyd was undoubtedly a piece of shit. He should not be hailed a hero, and the world is not worse off with him dead.
Various sources disagree with you, he died from a drug overdose, read the autopsy. Again- everything he did was taught and approved in his academy and the state standards. Druff- Youre turning purple here.However, Chauvin didn't need his knee on the guy's neck, especially because he wasn't actively resisting at the time. I do believe he died from what's called "excited delirium", which was partially brought on from the drug use, and partially brought on by his actual claustrophobia. But that doesn't mean Chauvin was innocent. If you have a suspect with claustrophobia who is likely to panic from a type of hold which is unnecessarily forceful (even if not physically damaging), you should loosen up if he is not actively resisting, while at the same time making sure he's secure and can't hurt anyone
Was he convicted of something? Just an incident, ALL cops across the country have "incidents" every day. "Bad cop"- on who's authority?? "Because I say so" again? Who officially deemed him to be a "bad cop" and "on a power complex"- the media? Floyd's family?Chauvin had another brutality incident in 2017, and basically was one of those bad cops with a power complex.
Wrong, per the autopsy, it was a drug OD.I would not call what he did to Floyd murder. It was manslaughter, or at minimum excessive force. I also don't believe the murder was racially motivated, and the same thing likely would have occurred if Floyd were a big white guy with a long criminal history.
But Hunter Biden is? Chauvin was just a regular cop working the street dealing with another criminal, but this time, someone just happened to have a cell phone video of it. GF had a long criminal record, but you ignore that.But he's no angel, and he's not the one Republicans should be openly backing. As I mentioned, even with a full pardon, he's going to serve almost the same term in state prison, which is actually worse.
I have to watch the video again, but BS is usually on it. You seem to have an issue with another matter and bridging them together.Ben Shapiro sounded like a dumbass here, which is uncharacteristic for him. I think he was brainwashed by Jeremy Boreing that taking this position would win more of the far right audience which had abandoned them due to the firing of Candace Owens.
Druff- You are purple, just refuse to accept it.
If Floyd was trying to attack officers and they had to hold him down with a knee on the neck, I'd be much more sympathetic to Chauvin. My general belief is that if you die while trying to physically attack law enforcement (whether you're using deadly force or not), it's your fault, and I have no sympathy for you.
If you're just acting agitated while being arrested because you're high, and you have claustrophobia on top of it, there's no need for a knee to the neck. It doesn't matter if that knee actually killed him. It was unnecessary, and it escalated the situation further. I do believe his death was mostly due to the drugs, and partially due to the claustrophobic panic which set in as a result of the perception he couldn't breathe (even though he could), which then combined with the drugs to kill him.
That's why I would support a manslaughter conviction, but nothing above that. If you want to see a law enforcement caused death where I'd support a murder charge, google Daniel Shaver and watch the infuriating video. Shaver wasn't even guilty of anything. He was white, by the way.
If Republicans want to lose, they will support a "Free Derek Chauvin" campaign. This is a losing issue and one where he was probably oversentenced a bit, but far from innocent.
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