*** MEANWHILE, IN CHINA.... ***

[Salty_Aus]

My first trip to China was in March 89.
Just before the Tiananmen protests & massacre.
Import/export and I've evolved to meet the market, whatever that may be. If I make something in Aus or Europe, if I need to make design changes it takes months, 48 hours in China.
Last time I was in Shanghai there was exotic cars everywhere, fresh faced youngsters driving them... not fat old fucks.

Shoot the messenger if you want, but the writing has been on the wall for over a decade.
Your roads and infrastructure is falling apart...unlikely this will change.

You need China more than they need you. South America and Africa are burgeoning markets for them. Least your credit is still good while the US dollar is clinging to it's position.
Get used to it, you were the worlds number one super power... bask in the memory.
You peaked in the late 70's or early 80's

It's not even close anymore.
You can't bully them with your military either. Hyper-sonic missiles you can't stop, including hydrogen bombs.
Drones and robotics will be the future of warfare.

Keep your heads in the sand. Mickey will never believe it while he lives in his trailer, sits on his mobility scooter playing slots all day. Complaining about the liberals ruining everything while he struggles to keep his b-grade health insurance. Along with rest of your unhealthy, ageing population.

It's already game over. You're drawing dead.

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meanwhile in america you can pay $500 a month to let an indian person remotely wander around your house and fumble around with your dishwasher and water your plants.

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[Dan Druff]

I see all the cool inventions and futuristic looking Chinese cities on social media, too.

For that reason, China would be a very nice place to visit as a tourist (if we ignore the possibility you might be arrested for bashing them in the past on social media, or falsely accused of being a US spy).

But they also have 1.4 billion people. That's 4x more than the US. When you're drawing from that type of labor pool, and when worker and individual rights are nearly nonexistent, yeah, a lot of awesome stuff can be created. But there's a cost. And if you look at the gap between the haves and have nots there, it's far greater than the US. Sure, you've got young men tooling around in luxury cars in Shanghai, but take the median Chinese 25-year-old and you wouldn't want to trade for his life, even if you're doing shitty here.

Salty Aus talked about the quick turnaround for China manufacturing his company's stuff. I'm sure that's true. Again, that's where the "no workers' rights" thing comes in.

Some scammy Chinese operation selling poorly-made toy drones was advertising on X for awhile, shortly after Elon took over and the left had shamed all his advertisers away. One of them featured the CEO throwing one of the drone airplanes, and it flying out the window, doing a cool loop about 400 feet away, and flying right back into his hand. But accidentally caught on the video (which featured a bunch of unhappy-looking assembly workers, mostly female) were nets on the outside of all the windows. Guess what the nets are for? Suicide. The job is so mind-numbingly boring yet at the same time demanding, they actually have an issue of people losing their minds and jumping out the 10th story windows, so they put the same time of safety nets outside as you see under a trapeze in the circus.

This is why I really don't understand the Chinese societal fetishism I witness from the US left nowadays. If you're one of those autists who doesn't believe in individual rights, and just wants to see society become technologically advanced, human toll be damned, then I can understand the love of China. But the same people who scream "FASCISM!!!" when Jimmy Kimmel is fired or Trump sues the NY Times are praising a regime where you get disappeared for criticizing the government, and where you are seen as an expendable cog in a giant wheel, rather than an individual.

If I lived in China, could I run PFA? And if I did, what would happen to me if there were criticism of the Chinese government? This site runs in the US, and it's full of criticism of the US government. Notice I'm not concerned about being grabbed or prosecuted. Do you not find that valuable? Or would you rather live in a society where sites like this absolutely could not exist?



I do agree that we are strangely reliant on Chinese goods, and we saw supply chain disasters occur in real time during COVID -- ones which exposed how vulnerable we truly are, right in plain sight.

You can't have it both ways. If China is the enemy -- even a more passive-aggressive enemy at the moment -- then we shouldn't be reliant at all upon them. The US is paying a dangerous game, making itself reliant upon China while also casting them as an enemy and rival. That's a recipe for getting severely burned one day, but there's too much invested in the status quo, so it sits as-is. I've heard the counter argument that China receives US exports as well, so they're also dependent upon us, but that's nonsense. China doesn't fear austerity. If we were to enter a full trade war with China, our citizens would greatly suffer, while China would simply tell its masses to buckle up and understand that this is necessary to defeat the evil western regime.

[Dan Druff]

CHINA TRAVEL ADVISORY

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And y'all get your panties in a bunch when Trump tries to deport an MS-13 gang member without "due process"

TIGHT COUNTRY

[splitthis]

Tine needs to move there he would be dead within a week.

Tine is an American traitor, GTFO.

[sonatine]

absolutely incredible.

30 year head start on the hardest part of this.

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absolutely incredible.

30 year head start on the hardest part of this.

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[The Boz]

Druff’s shame just living here posting nonsense 24/7 while sitting on his fat ass.

Look in the mirror loser and report back truthfully what you see.

[sonatine]

$1050.

usd.

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[sonatine]

love that chinese robot media is like 'check out this synthetic runway model that is literally never going to be too busy to suck your dick' and then the american equiv is showing this neutered sockbot that absolutely 100% looks like its waiting patiently to suffocate you in your sleep

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[Jayjami]

love that chinese robot media is like 'check out this synthetic runway model that is literally never going to be too busy to suck your dick' and then the american equiv is showing this neutered sockbot that absolutely 100% looks like its waiting patiently to suffocate you in your sleep

Where the fuck are the Daryl Hannah sex robots we were promised? I want a few blowjobs before AI destroys us all.