thomas massie (REPUBLICAN) just said hes not happy about his colleagues covering up for pedos

[sonatine]

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i mean according to team retard these are all lying liars so who knows who to believe

[sonatine]

hmmm what did he mean by this?

[Dan Druff]

I didn't get to see the rest of the clip with Massie because it cuts off.

But he doesn't have it right about MTG, Boebert, and Mace. He thinks they feel obligated to speak up for women, but that's bullshit. Those three are huge narcissists and are only out for themselves. They don't give a shit about other women.

They co-sponsored it because all three of them are brash outsiders whose profile rises when they can kick up mud, so that's what they're doing. None of those three are ever going to be part of the GOP establishment, so they might as well be muckrakers. That's the correct answer.

The other part of the answer is that it's not so much about them fearing Trump, but rather Trump fearing the ones on the list. In politics, it's a "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" situation, so it's simply not good politics to throw important figures in your own party under the bus, and to make it clear to everyone else not involved that you won't have loyalty to them. If Trump is to get cooperation from other GOP bigwigs, he needs to play ball and show that he's a team player.

I don't believe he did anything bad with Epstein. I do believe he hung out with Epstein enough to where it would look bad if fully understood, and was definitely aware of what Epstein was about (hence his later distancing from him). So he would have to field questions as to why he kept associating with a pedo, and then face more questions if he did any of that himself, even though he probably didn't.

Remember, if there was dirt to be had on Trump regarding this, Biden and the DNC would've exposed it years ago.

Once again, this is a situation where too many careers on both sides will be destroyed, and perhaps Bill Clinton's legacy will be tainted, so everyone just wants it to go away, save for a few outsiders.

That's the true answer.

[Sanlmar]

Massie’s beard evokes the creepy JD Vance vibe.

[Sanlmar]

I don't believe he did anything bad with Epstein. I do believe he hung out with Epstein enough to where it would look bad if fully understood, and was definitely aware of what Epstein was about (hence his later distancing from him). So he would have to field questions as to why he kept associating with a pedo, and then face more questions if he did any of that himself, even though he probably didn't.

Trump has a legacy of sexual abuse. He was never a pillar of moral terpitude. We no longer think that sort of thing relevant in making a choice for President .

(I just flashed back to Ivana’s story about her marital rape at the time of Trump’s painful hair surgery. He ripped her hair out and asked how it felt. Really interesting tale.)

Trump and Epstein had a falling out over a piece of property. It had nothing to do with the kids.

You're projecting and that’s okay. It’s America’s favorite parlor game right now

[Dan Druff]

I don't believe he did anything bad with Epstein. I do believe he hung out with Epstein enough to where it would look bad if fully understood, and was definitely aware of what Epstein was about (hence his later distancing from him). So he would have to field questions as to why he kept associating with a pedo, and then face more questions if he did any of that himself, even though he probably didn't.

Trump has a legacy of sexual abuse. He was never a pillar of moral terpitude. We no longer think that sort of thing relevant in making a choice for President .

(I just flashed back to Ivana’s story about her marital rape at the time of Trump’s painful hair surgery. He ripped her hair out and asked how it felt. Really interesting tale.)

Trump and Epstein had a falling out over a piece of property. It had nothing to do with the kids.

You're projecting and that’s okay. It’s America’s favorite parlor game right now

Trump is the clear head of the Republican Party. He has been for over 9 years, and will continue to be for at least another 3 1/2, and perhaps more, unless he dies earlier than that.

If there was a shocking revelation about him in the Epstein files, Biden and company would have released it already, even if it otherwise caused collateral damage. Trump is just too valuable of a target to pass up.

The lack of this occurring, but the subsequent hesitation by Trump himself to keep his promise about Epstein, should tell you a few things:

1) Trump didn't do anything that bad, if anything

2) There are prominent Republicans who would be ruined by the revelations

3) There are prominent Democrats who would be ruined by the revelations



I should also note that there is not even one credible woman who has come forward and accused Trump of doing sexual things with her when she was underage. Not one. That should say a lot, too.

Sometimes the lack of something tells you a lot more than the presence of something.

[Sanlmar]

Trump has a legacy of sexual abuse. He was never a pillar of moral terpitude. We no longer think that sort of thing relevant in making a choice for President .

(I just flashed back to Ivana’s story about her marital rape at the time of Trump’s painful hair surgery. He ripped her hair out and asked how it felt. Really interesting tale.)

Trump and Epstein had a falling out over a piece of property. It had nothing to do with the kids.

You're projecting and that’s okay. It’s America’s favorite parlor game right now

Trump is the clear head of the Republican Party. He has been for over 9 years, and will continue to be for at least another 3 1/2, and perhaps more, unless he dies earlier than that.

If there was a shocking revelation about him in the Epstein files, Biden and company would have released it already, even if it otherwise caused collateral damage. Trump is just too valuable of a target to pass up.

The lack of this occurring, but the subsequent hesitation by Trump himself to keep his promise about Epstein, should tell you a few things:

1) Trump didn't do anything that bad, if anything

2) There are prominent Republicans who would be ruined by the revelations

3) There are prominent Democrats who would be ruined by the revelations



I should also note that there is not even one credible woman who has come forward and accused Trump of doing sexual things with her when she was underage. Not one. That should say a lot, too.

Sometimes the lack of something tells you a lot more than the presence of something.

2 & 3 have left us at this impasse. Neither party holds the moral high ground. Both have everything to lose.

However, this is not simply an issue of sexual crimes and abuse. There is an interest in learning which US institutions (CIA…) and which foreign countries might have had involvement and that is important to me personally. I have a right to know what my representatives and government are up to.

I suspect the deep state (sickeningly trite, I know) is the over riding concern. There is very little genuine concern about the girls. Recently, the girls unanimously claim nobody from Justice has been in touch with them. That’s consistent.

Les Wexner (synonymous with Epstein) turns up at every corner. Chasing down AI (Palantir) related companies you find Wexner investment. It just gets weird.

[Sanlmar]

Free Ghislaine…. how weird is that recently.

It all smells bad. The equivocating and half truths. Claiming the issue is “irrelevant”.

Has a bad aroma. None of the earmarks of innocence.

The Epstein scandal has stunk to high heaven for 20 years. I have since forgotten the relationship between Acosta and Trump 45

[BCR]

Trump is the clear head of the Republican Party. He has been for over 9 years, and will continue to be for at least another 3 1/2, and perhaps more, unless he dies earlier than that.

If there was a shocking revelation about him in the Epstein files, Biden and company would have released it already, even if it otherwise caused collateral damage. Trump is just too valuable of a target to pass up.

The lack of this occurring, but the subsequent hesitation by Trump himself to keep his promise about Epstein, should tell you a few things:

1) Trump didn't do anything that bad, if anything

2) There are prominent Republicans who would be ruined by the revelations

3) There are prominent Democrats who would be ruined by the revelations



I should also note that there is not even one credible woman who has come forward and accused Trump of doing sexual things with her when she was underage. Not one. That should say a lot, too.

Sometimes the lack of something tells you a lot more than the presence of something.

2 & 3 have left us at this impasse. Neither party holds the moral high ground. Both have everything to lose.

However, this is not simply an issue of sexual crimes and abuse. There is an interest in learning which US institutions (CIA…) and which foreign countries might have had involvement and that is important to me personally. I have a right to know what my representatives and government are up to.

I suspect the deep state (sickeningly trite, I know) is the over riding concern. There is very little genuine concern about the girls. Recently, the girls unanimously claim nobody from Justice has been in touch with them. That’s consistent.

Les Wexner (synonymous with Epstein) turns up at every corner. Chasing down AI (Palantir) related companies you find Wexner investment. It just gets weird.

I see Trump taking a bullet for almost nothing that isn’t personal. Like he walked in and did a hostile takeover with the GOP. He’s dismantling institutions. He isn’t taking all this heat for any politician who would have been relevant back during Epstein’s fuckery.

I don’t know what is making him bury this, but whatever it is, it’s personal and directly impacts him. Or who it impacts can bury him directly and badly for something else he did. That last thought makes more sense for as to why his rivals didn’t bring it up.

I mean the Epstein scandal for the most part was always a story of him procuring young vulnerable girls and turning them into playthings for the Uber wealthy. Epstein might be the only one who was an actual pedophile by the classical definition. He’s the only one I have ever seen linked to shit like 13 and 12 year olds.

Like these are all jailbait stories. Post pubescent teen girls and dirty old fucks. That’s 100% in Trumps wheelhouse. I don’t think he wants to fuck pre-pubescent children, that’s a very different thing. One is an impulse control problem. The other is sick in a way no one gets but them deviancy. Think Ricky Fowler’s wife in high school versus seeing an 8 year old. I will sometimes be golfing and see a figure at 200 yards that is like damn. Then I get up there and it’s a high school junior and I’m like oh fuck I was checking out a high school girl. I’m attracted to the figure. While I immediately pay no attention once I realize they are a kid, Trump might still pursue it. He’s shown poor impulse control. But he isn’t noticing an 8 year old.

The GOP deserves this mess because it’s been the one to push this laughable war against pedophiles and human trafficking with Trump supposedly as the general. Talk about fox guarding the hen house. Always laughable and stupid Q level idiocy.

The notion of Ghisilaine being another victim is particularly grotesque. Them going easy on her is the worst part of this story. She is almost as bad as him. You could make an argument she is worse. Whenever I have heard those girls talk, she was the one who approached. She was the one who got them to let their guard down. To some sixteen year old girl with a single mom, she seemed sophisticated, would refer to him as her boyfriend. She would lower their defenses and they’d think clearly this isn’t something totally freaky if she’s hiring me.

However many victims there are, I would posit there would be 1/3rd that number if not for how skilled she was at recruiting these girls. She was the main player to cultivate them. She should be under the prison.

[The Boz]

The “victims” could clear this up quickly.

Instead of threatening to do it, why don’t they?

And why isn’t anyone asking why they aren’t and what are they looking for?

Cash usually makes everything better sadly.

[Tellafriend]

The “victims” could clear this up quickly.

Instead of threatening to do it, why don’t they?

And why isn’t anyone asking why they aren’t and what are they looking for?

Cash usually makes everything better sadly.

I've answered this above.

[Tellafriend]

I didn't get to see the rest of the clip with Massie because it cuts off.

But he doesn't have it right about MTG, Boebert, and Mace. He thinks they feel obligated to speak up for women, but that's bullshit. Those three are huge narcissists and are only out for themselves. They don't give a shit about other women.

They co-sponsored it because all three of them are brash outsiders whose profile rises when they can kick up mud, so that's what they're doing. None of those three are ever going to be part of the GOP establishment, so they might as well be muckrakers. That's the correct answer.

The other part of the answer is that it's not so much about them fearing Trump, but rather Trump fearing the ones on the list. In politics, it's a "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" situation, so it's simply not good politics to throw important figures in your own party under the bus, and to make it clear to everyone else not involved that you won't have loyalty to them. If Trump is to get cooperation from other GOP bigwigs, he needs to play ball and show that he's a team player.

I don't believe he did anything bad with Epstein. I do believe he hung out with Epstein enough to where it would look bad if fully understood, and was definitely aware of what Epstein was about (hence his later distancing from him). So he would have to field questions as to why he kept associating with a pedo, and then face more questions if he did any of that himself, even though he probably didn't.

Remember, if there was dirt to be had on Trump regarding this, Biden and the DNC would've exposed it years ago.

Once again, this is a situation where too many careers on both sides will be destroyed, and perhaps Bill Clinton's legacy will be tainted, so everyone just wants it to go away, save for a few outsiders.

That's the true answer.

I don't believe he did anything bad with Epstein. I do believe he hung out with Epstein enough to where it would look bad if fully understood, and was definitely aware of what Epstein was about (hence his later distancing from him). So he would have to field questions as to why he kept associating with a pedo, and then face more questions if he did any of that himself, even though he probably didn't.

Trump has a legacy of sexual abuse. He was never a pillar of moral terpitude. We no longer think that sort of thing relevant in making a choice for President .

(I just flashed back to Ivana’s story about her marital rape at the time of Trump’s painful hair surgery. He ripped her hair out and asked how it felt. Really interesting tale.)

Trump and Epstein had a falling out over a piece of property. It had nothing to do with the kids.

You're projecting and that’s okay. It’s America’s favorite parlor game right now

2 & 3 have left us at this impasse. Neither party holds the moral high ground. Both have everything to lose.

However, this is not simply an issue of sexual crimes and abuse. There is an interest in learning which US institutions (CIA…) and which foreign countries might have had involvement and that is important to me personally. I have a right to know what my representatives and government are up to.

I suspect the deep state (sickeningly trite, I know) is the over riding concern. There is very little genuine concern about the girls. Recently, the girls unanimously claim nobody from Justice has been in touch with them. That’s consistent.

Les Wexner (synonymous with Epstein) turns up at every corner. Chasing down AI (Palantir) related companies you find Wexner investment. It just gets weird.

I see Trump taking a bullet for almost nothing that isn’t personal. Like he walked in and did a hostile takeover with the GOP. He’s dismantling institutions. He isn’t taking all this heat for any politician who would have been relevant back during Epstein’s fuckery.

I don’t know what is making him bury this, but whatever it is, it’s personal and directly impacts him. Or who it impacts can bury him directly and badly for something else he did. That last thought makes more sense for as to why his rivals didn’t bring it up.

I mean the Epstein scandal for the most part was always a story of him procuring young vulnerable girls and turning them into playthings for the Uber wealthy. Epstein might be the only one who was an actual pedophile by the classical definition. He’s the only one I have ever seen linked to shit like 13 and 12 year olds.

Like these are all jailbait stories. Post pubescent teen girls and dirty old fucks. That’s 100% in Trumps wheelhouse. I don’t think he wants to fuck pre-pubescent children, that’s a very different thing. One is an impulse control problem. The other is sick in a way no one gets but them deviancy. Think Ricky Fowler’s wife in high school versus seeing an 8 year old. I will sometimes be golfing and see a figure at 200 yards that is like damn. Then I get up there and it’s a high school junior and I’m like oh fuck I was checking out a high school girl. I’m attracted to the figure. While I immediately pay no attention once I realize they are a kid, Trump might still pursue it. He’s shown poor impulse control. But he isn’t noticing an 8 year old.

The GOP deserves this mess because it’s been the one to push this laughable war against pedophiles and human trafficking with Trump supposedly as the general. Talk about fox guarding the hen house. Always laughable and stupid Q level idiocy.

The notion of Ghisilaine being another victim is particularly grotesque. Them going easy on her is the worst part of this story. She is almost as bad as him. You could make an argument she is worse. Whenever I have heard those girls talk, she was the one who approached. She was the one who got them to let their guard down. To some sixteen year old girl with a single mom, she seemed sophisticated, would refer to him as her boyfriend. She would lower their defenses and they’d think clearly this isn’t something totally freaky if she’s hiring me.

However many victims there are, I would posit there would be 1/3rd that number if not for how skilled she was at recruiting these girls. She was the main player to cultivate them. She should be under the prison.

the cover up is primarily for the benefit of: Israel and our deep state CIA etc who was leveraging what information they gained on these figures. if the american public found out what israel was doing and how our govt was complicit in allowing it might be the change that is sorely needed. hence, it will never see the light of day and why it hasn't until now, either. neither party is going to let the public know what our greatest ally really does and risk the derision that would follow.


the complicit members of both parties and their rich donors is secondary along with all the times trump is mentioned in them and whatever embarrassment might flow from it.


we are all here to allow 536 people to enrich themselves with power and wealth. everything else, including a sustainable future, is secondary if even a consideration.

[Sanlmar]

I see Trump taking a bullet for almost nothing that isn’t personal.

It is possible there are countries and institutions that could make it their mission to take everything he holds dear.

Again, I lean toward the notion that the child trafficking is secondary. That’s my intuition.

He and his low IQ band are not equipped to handle the potential fallout - geopolitical and otherwise. .

Besides, Trump’s raison d'être is popularity. The popular notion of delivering Epstein transparency was dispelled by political advisors that pointed out repercussions Trump wasn’t aware of

Once you cross over into the darkness …. Trump can’t go there. It’s not principle it’s pragmatism.

[BCR]

I see Trump taking a bullet for almost nothing that isn’t personal.

It is possible there are countries and institutions that could make it their mission to take everything he holds dear.

Again, I lean toward the notion that the child trafficking is secondary. That’s my intuition.

He and his low IQ band are not equipped to handle the potential fallout - geopolitical and otherwise. .

Besides, Trump’s raison d'être is popularity. The popular notion of delivering Epstein transparency was dispelled by political advisors that pointed out repercussions Trump wasn’t aware of

Once you cross over into the darkness …. Trump can’t go there. It’s not principle it’s pragmatism.

To me in the way you can’t really understand Trump without getting Roy Cohn, I don’t think you can understand Epstein without doing a deep dive on Adnan Khashoggi. The OG at all of this. Sex, arms, blackmail, involved with Iran Contra and even HSL banking deal.


Like he was the original guy who introduced Epstein to that world and you didn’t get more intelligence connected than him. I mean it can’t all be coincidence? Barr. Acosta. And those are just recent names. It’s clearly all parties. Even Thiel seems to have known Epstein much better than he let on. It’s amazing how Trump has become Trump the neocon. What scares someone like Trump into this abrupt turnabout I can only imagine without going down Alex Jones style musings.

[sonatine]

its clear trump regards the epstein stuff as his potential watergate (if not much, much worse) but a lot of people are confusing his concern as something with patriotic origins, eg oh no we cant let this derail the nation. but in reality its just the one single thing in this world he would chew off his own leg to escape; humiliation.

[splitthis]

Massie is the lone no AIPAC member. He was also the lone no vote on antisemitism bill.

He is a lone wolf outcast from the pack.

He is a target.

He is the best member for the people we have.

[splitthis]

Massie will be the Mel Gibson of Congress.

[sonatine]

[Tellafriend]

It is possible there are countries and institutions that could make it their mission to take everything he holds dear.

Again, I lean toward the notion that the child trafficking is secondary. That’s my intuition.

He and his low IQ band are not equipped to handle the potential fallout - geopolitical and otherwise. .

Besides, Trump’s raison d'être is popularity. The popular notion of delivering Epstein transparency was dispelled by political advisors that pointed out repercussions Trump wasn’t aware of

Once you cross over into the darkness …. Trump can’t go there. It’s not principle it’s pragmatism.

To me in the way you can’t really understand Trump without getting Roy Cohn, I don’t think you can understand Epstein without doing a deep dive on Adnan Khashoggi. The OG at all of this. Sex, arms, blackmail, involved with Iran Contra and even HSL banking deal.


Like he was the original guy who introduced Epstein to that world and you didn’t get more intelligence connected than him. I mean it can’t all be coincidence? Barr. Acosta. And those are just recent names. It’s clearly all parties. Even Thiel seems to have known Epstein much better than he let on. It’s amazing how Trump has become Trump the neocon. What scares someone like Trump into this abrupt turnabout I can only imagine without going down Alex Jones style musings.

what do you think is at the core of this then?

[Tellafriend]

its clear trump regards the epstein stuff as his potential watergate (if not much, much worse) but a lot of people are confusing his concern as something with patriotic origins, eg oh no we cant let this derail the nation. but in reality its just the one single thing in this world he would chew off his own leg to escape; humiliation.

jeffrey epstein will be trump's monika lewinsky.