wonder how jordan peterson is doing these days

[sonatine]

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ahhhh so literally brain damage.

[Dan Druff]

I was calling out Jordan Peterson nearly 5 years ago for essentially turning into a nutjob, and basically not being able to handle the notoriety which was suddenly thrust upon him in the mid-late 2010s.

Recall he abruptly rose to prominence in September 2016, when filmed on his Toronto university campus, expressing a refusal to go along with Canadian law C-16. This law "protected" gender expression and gender identity, and essentially made discrimination based upon those factors equivalent to discrimination based upon race, gender, religion, etc.

Peterson argued that C-16 would compel speech, and that he could be brought up on charges for failing to address a transgender person under their new name or pronouns. There was some debate whether C-16 would really criminalize such a thing, but Peterson was filmed arguing with dumbass leftists on campus about it, and completely owning their heads. This made him an instant conservative hero. Here's the video which started it all:




He seems so old to me when I watch this, but strangely enough, I am now within less than a year of his age at the time of this video. Peterson is about a decade older than me, and this was recorded in September 2016.

Unfortunately, between Peterson's benzo dependence nightmare in 2020 which essentially fried his brain, and his general bizarre opinions on a lot of topics, some people started to think less of him. I was one of them.

For example, and I've mentioned this before, I watched a video where sexual harassment in the workplace was discussed. Rather than bring up any reasonable points regarding abuse of sexual harassment law, Peterson gave the odd take that women bring the harassment upon themselves because they wear makeup to work! I'm not kidding... that was his logic. He stated that these women are wearing makeup in order to be noticed by men, and therefore have no right to make a sexual harassment claim if wearing makeup.

What?!

He'd have had a much more salient point if he said something like, "Some women wear tight, cleavage-bearing shirts in order to get favors from men at work, and then turn it into sexual harassment if it results in the wrong kind of attention", but that's not the point he was making. He actually said that women wearing makeup to work makes them a sexual harassment target.

I'm no feminist, but that's just fucking bizarre (and untrue).

Anyway, I've heard him spout loads of other strange theories and opinions. Sometimes he mixes in reasonable points -- such as the harm to society from vilifying traditional masculinity -- but often he veers into crackpotdom.

The bottom line is that he was probably always a freak and a weird dude, but he happened to be caught on camera speaking logically and intelligently regarding a then-trendy topic (gender identity), so it was easy to initially cast him as a new voice intellectual conservatism.

But that's like declaring a baseball player who goes 4-for-4 in his first Major League game to be a future star for the team. Everyone has their good days, and it takes time to form an accurate judgment on people.



I don't think Peterson is a bad guy. He's just weird, and he's not the erudite spokesman of conservative-libertarianism that many first thought.

[Dan Druff]

Regarding the video posted in the OP, it was a clip from an ill-advised video called "Jordan Peterson versus 20 atheists".

It was done by a company called "Jubilee", and the series is called "Surrounded", where a known figure is thrown into a debate with 20 different people, one at a time, on a given topic.




In this series, the person in the center (again, usually someone well known, like Peterson), makes a statement, and then some of the 20-25 people "surrounding" them runs to the chair in order to debate him. Whoever gets there first is the one who gets to do the debating. Most of the people "surrounding" are young, often college aged.

I will say that Peterson didn't come off well here, even if you ignore the worst of the clips and just watch random snippets yourself. He doesn't like to answer questions directly, and often will either contradict himself or paint himself into a corner.

For example, in the clip posted, he could have easily gotten out of the "is it ever okay to lie?" question by stating that, in certain extraordinary circumstances, or where your life or others' lives are immediately at stake, lying is morally justified. Instead, he kept insisting he wouldn't lie, even if it meant dying to continue asserting a ballpoint pen really is a ballpoint pen (lol). When asked if he'd have lied to save a Jewish family during the Holocaust, he dodged the question, and finally said he would save them with "as few lies as possible". Wrong answer!! The correct answer is, "Yes, of course it's okay to lie to horrible people who are going to do horrible things if you tell them the truth."

The fact that he couldn't handle these stupid hypotheticals posed by snotty college kids definitely isn't a good look.

[sonatine]

Regarding the video posted in the OP, it was a clip from an ill-advised video called "Jordan Peterson versus 20 atheists".

It was done by a company called "Jubilee", and the series is called "Surrounded", where a known figure is thrown into a debate with 20 different people, one at a time, on a given topic.




In this series, the person in the center (again, usually someone well known, like Peterson), makes a statement, and then some of the 20-25 people "surrounding" them runs to the chair in order to debate him. Whoever gets there first is the one who gets to do the debating. Most of the people "surrounding" are young, often college aged.

I will say that Peterson didn't come off well here, even if you ignore the worst of the clips and just watch random snippets yourself. He doesn't like to answer questions directly, and often will either contradict himself or paint himself into a corner.

For example, in the clip posted, he could have easily gotten out of the "is it ever okay to lie?" question by stating that, in certain extraordinary circumstances, or where your life or others' lives are immediately at stake, lying is morally justified. Instead, he kept insisting he wouldn't lie, even if it meant dying to continue asserting a ballpoint pen really is a ballpoint pen (lol). When asked if he'd have lied to save a Jewish family during the Holocaust, he dodged the question, and finally said he would save them with "as few lies as possible". Wrong answer!! The correct answer is, "Yes, of course it's okay to lie to horrible people who are going to do horrible things if you tell them the truth."

The fact that he couldn't handle these stupid hypotheticals posed by snotty college kids definitely isn't a good look.

i mean, its debate class isnt it? not trying to refute anything you said, but there have been college debate classes like this that debate each other for ages iirc.

[BCR]

I was calling out Jordan Peterson nearly 5 years ago for essentially turning into a nutjob, and basically not being able to handle the notoriety which was suddenly thrust upon him in the mid-late 2010s.

Recall he abruptly rose to prominence in September 2016, when filmed on his Toronto university campus, expressing a refusal to go along with Canadian law C-16. This law "protected" gender expression and gender identity, and essentially made discrimination based upon those factors equivalent to discrimination based upon race, gender, religion, etc.

Peterson argued that C-16 would compel speech, and that he could be brought up on charges for failing to address a transgender person under their new name or pronouns. There was some debate whether C-16 would really criminalize such a thing, but Peterson was filmed arguing with dumbass leftists on campus about it, and completely owning their heads. This made him an instant conservative hero. Here's the video which started it all:




He seems so old to me when I watch this, but strangely enough, I am now within less than a year of his age at the time of this video. Peterson is about a decade older than me, and this was recorded in September 2016.

Unfortunately, between Peterson's benzo dependence nightmare in 2020 which essentially fried his brain, and his general bizarre opinions on a lot of topics, some people started to think less of him. I was one of them.

For example, and I've mentioned this before, I watched a video where sexual harassment in the workplace was discussed. Rather than bring up any reasonable points regarding abuse of sexual harassment law, Peterson gave the odd take that women bring the harassment upon themselves because they wear makeup to work! I'm not kidding... that was his logic. He stated that these women are wearing makeup in order to be noticed by men, and therefore have no right to make a sexual harassment claim if wearing makeup.

What?!

He'd have had a much more salient point if he said something like, "Some women wear tight, cleavage-bearing shirts in order to get favors from men at work, and then turn it into sexual harassment if it results in the wrong kind of attention", but that's not the point he was making. He actually said that women wearing makeup to work makes them a sexual harassment target.

I'm no feminist, but that's just fucking bizarre (and untrue).

Anyway, I've heard him spout loads of other strange theories and opinions. Sometimes he mixes in reasonable points -- such as the harm to society from vilifying traditional masculinity -- but often he veers into crackpotdom.

The bottom line is that he was probably always a freak and a weird dude, but he happened to be caught on camera speaking logically and intelligently regarding a then-trendy topic (gender identity), so it was easy to initially cast him as a new voice intellectual conservatism.

But that's like declaring a baseball player who goes 4-for-4 in his first Major League game to be a future star for the team. Everyone has their good days, and it takes time to form an accurate judgment on people.



I don't think Peterson is a bad guy. He's just weird, and he's not the erudite spokesman of conservative-libertarianism that many first thought.

Honestly he just got lucky that day in his timing because I have never seen that and I don’t find him particularly compelling in that. There have been way more guys willing to confront that crowd since then. Young protestors are so annoying and disrespectful and entitled that I would guess simply the act of not cowering to them while an academic is what resonated because I don’t see any particular genius in his responses. People just responded to the concept of my words are my own.

[Sanlmar]

He seems so old to me when I watch this, but strangely enough, I am now within less than a year of his age at the time of this video. Peterson is about a decade older than me, and this was recorded in September 2016.

Unfortunately, between Peterson's benzo dependence nightmare in 2020 which essentially fried his brain, and his general bizarre opinions on a lot of topics, some people started to think less of him. I was one of them.
.

Back when he was the flavor of the month I caught an interview where he went on at length about his health problems. I couldn’t believe he could function on any level at all after listening to the litany of serious issues. As I recall his daughter shares similar serious problems.

I’ll be damned if I can remember any of them - they were unusual. Multiple digestive disorders iirc. Never slept. Dunno how he’s alive

I’ll also be damned if I’m going to try to find the video either.

[sonatine]

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Hes become an example of why regular people shouldn't become famous

[Dan Druff]

This is indirectly another fail for Daily Wire, which he's been associated with for a few years.

The last thing Daily Wire needed now was another L -- even an indirect one.

What a disaster that company has become.

[Kalam]

He seems so old to me when I watch this, but strangely enough, I am now within less than a year of his age at the time of this video. Peterson is about a decade older than me, and this was recorded in September 2016.

Unfortunately, between Peterson's benzo dependence nightmare in 2020 which essentially fried his brain, and his general bizarre opinions on a lot of topics, some people started to think less of him. I was one of them.
.

Back when he was the flavor of the month I caught an interview where he went on at length about his health problems. I couldn’t believe he could function on any level at all after listening to the litany of serious issues. As I recall his daughter shares similar serious problems.

I’ll be damned if I can remember any of them - they were unusual. Multiple digestive disorders iirc. Never slept. Dunno how he’s alive

I’ll also be damned if I’m going to try to find the video either.

He claimed he switched to an all meat diet and it cleared a lot of his health issues.

He also claims he spent much of his 20s roaming Europe highly depressed and despondent. Probably was heavily medicated then too.

[sonatine]

[Kalam]

This is indirectly another fail for Daily Wire, which he's been associated with for a few years.

The last thing Daily Wire needed now was another L -- even an indirect one.

What a disaster that company has become.

I subscribe to Jordan Peterson's podcast, and he has actually been doing a lot of interesting podcasts lately on a wide range of topics. According to Grok, his podcast is consistently ranked in the top 100 in Apple and Spotify. So not a total disaster I would say.

I think it is a mistake to assume social media is real life, when it often isn't.

[sonatine]

This is indirectly another fail for Daily Wire, which he's been associated with for a few years.

The last thing Daily Wire needed now was another L -- even an indirect one.

What a disaster that company has become.

I subscribe to Jordan Peterson's podcast, and he has actually been doing a lot of interesting podcasts lately on a wide range of topics. According to Grok, his podcast is consistently ranked in the top 100 in Apple and Spotify. So not a total disaster I would say.

I think it is a mistake to assume social media is real life, when it often isn't.

of course you do.