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Thread: Sooo... it looks like a WSOP bracelet was just blatantly chip dumped right on stream

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    You guys are vastly underestimating how final tables are played. The chip leader can and does control the order of knockouts if he can. Standard final table play is acquiring that power and knowing how to take advantage of it. Sometimes the cards break against you but basically every payout jump is a huge bubble that can and does get exploited by a good chip leader. I don’t know the specifics of who controlled this final table and exactly when they got control but getting to a situation where these two would end up heads up, opposed to any other two is very possible to manipulate, and doesn’t require “cheating.” And gets easier with every elimanted player. 3 handed a chip leader should attack 2nd place and lay down to the short stack as much as possible. U win first with like 5 players left if u can. U try to choose who u go heads up with. If these two friends and the only ones who could split that money safely and not get screwed, it puts the whole final table play in question imo. Maybe it didn’t work like that here, but it def can. Real players may have been screwed and this deal could’ve been set up before heads up play, and then finalized when they did get heads up. That’s not impossible at all. And yeah anyone stupid to not take the extra mill if they can without defrauding the WSOP. This is the fkn WSOP. You defraud it… gtfo out of poker

    There may have been several players trying to take that dude to heads up play with them, knowing he had that ticket, thereby almost guaranteeing him second. Should never been allowed for wpt to make that kind of promotion on WSOP. Laws were def broken. Sorry shady ass scammers. Anyone who make that deal with all those cameras and try to defraud anyone is fuckin stupid. It’s not as easy as it sounds and look how stupid u look in front of whole world. Huge difference between chopping the money and playing for the bracelet and dumping the bracelet to defraud a regulated contest being fkn filmed. lol at anyone who really wants to be these two dudes right now. I hope they get arrested

    And super lol at any moron who says they did nothing wrong. Yeah ur a moron. You know who knows they were doing something wrong? At the very least the two dudes who played heads up… they didn’t just openly dump and celebrate the extra million! No no no, they knew they had to try to play it off. lol at chip leader never getting shorty allin… gtfo here. They defrauded everyone and knew they were doing it.

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    @QuadKings I think you are being overly dismissive to people who post on this site. This site is not a bunch of idiots. “Wrong” is also in the eye of the beholder. We know there are many things including friendships, swaps, side bets, etc that can manipulate how play will go at a final table.

    WPT are being massive trolls because they can and there’s nothing that stops them from doing so. Last I seen Druff posted that the are doubling down on this idea But it’s just total speculation on your part that these two were steering this final table to get heads up. Also I use the word “steer” because as long as they weren’t signaling each other their cards or blatantly colluding that is going to be awfully hard to prove.

    My speculation back to you is that if these two actually colluded to get down to 2 then I would think they would have done a better job during heads up play. But at the same time they simply couldn’t risk the shorter stack being all in and covered, so it was always going to look blatant.

    My belief is once a tourmqnt is heads up it’s effectively over. The last two can go run to the chapel and get married before they finish if it will help make their tax situation more preferable for all I care. But this is the WSOP and it does award a bracelet. So I think Druff’s idea of withholding the hardware and paying the guys out is correct. Unless there is some clear evidence of collusion before it got heads up.

    So do you think they should be paid in full absent any new evidence? Because then at the end of the day we end up with the same position. Which really is all the matters.

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      Dive_Bar_Dave: Yes, you called it. WSOP should hire you.

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    Matt Glantz is claiming they got banned, but I'm not seeing that anywhere else.

    If they got banned, I don't support that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Matt Glantz is claiming they got banned, but I'm not seeing that anywhere else.

    If they got banned, I don't support that.
    Yeah that's what I heard too, both got a lifetime ban. Wow that takes this to a whole new level. I think the wsop twitter account didn't want to mention that because of the backlash they knew would happen.

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    https://twitter.com/J_Tanouye/status/1939941658608418875


    So far nobody has corrected the ban rumor (and in fact a guy saying he's Carroll's friend confirmed it), so it's probably true.

    If so, that's a major overreaction, and I feel bad for these guys. They really just thought they were doing something clever to win ClubWPT's money. ClubWPT isn't angry about it at all, so aside from not awarding a bullshit bracelet (which is the correct decision), WSOP should let this go and just make stricter rules about this for next time.

    To ban these guys is really overkill. Additionally, it's getting everyone really angry, so it's not even winning them any PR points.

    On a side note, I'm wondering who made the decision to ban them. Caesars no longer owns the WSOP. GGPoker, the new WSOP owner, cannot ban people form Caesars properties (only the WSOP itself). So why did Caesars ban them? Maybe they were worried about a licensure issue if they didn't?

    Strange.

    Don't expect a statement from GG or Caesars about this, as they will cite player privacy issues.

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    To the surprise of nobody, ClubWPT Gold paid out the million dollars.

    https://www.pokernews.com/news/2025/...ndal-48976.htm

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    Chad Holloway agrees with my guess that Gaming is the reason these guys got banned (if they did get banned):

    https://twitter.com/ChadAHolloway/status/1939942444553941409

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Matt Glantz is claiming they got banned, but I'm not seeing that anywhere else.

    If they got banned, I don't support that.
    Polk just put out a video and Apparnelty it hasn’t been confirmed yet about the ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Glad you posted this Druff. I am still serving a lifetime ban from twitter for referring to Rob Reiner as Meathead. Anyways, I largely agree with the overall sentiment from Lee Jones. However, Club WPT Gold is currently operating in some kind of legal gray area, sweepstakes model nonsense. How can a company operating under a legal loophole that can be closed at anytime be expected to act ethically in any matter? Sure, the WPT brand has a lot more to lose than say ACR, but they are operating like pigs in shit and seem to not care what anyone thinks at this point.

    WPT Gold adding a million bucks to fuck with the WSOP tournament is pretty analogous to how they operate their entire business in general. If your entire identity is operating in a gray area, then pushing the bounds of what is ethical seems like a pretty easy thing to be flexible on.

    I’m not saying WSOP doesn’t have its own problems. I do think them having the WSOP paradise against the WPT Wynn was petty af. I think they look at all the tournament series built up, especially in Vegas, as basically capitalizing on what they have built.

    If Caesars really banned these two guys from their properties forever I would hope they are looking on the bright side. You just got paid a bunch of money. I promise they won’t miss not being able to smell the inside of the Horsehoe again. Go get some sun on your face, go to the beach, smell the flowers, take a girl who doesn’t live inside a casino out on a date and stay & play somewhere else when you want to get back to poker. Caesars may be large, but it’s not the only game in town. Fuck em.

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    https://twitter.com/SrslySirius/status/1940522336450740570

    Thomas has done it again, and the joke has gone over the head of almost all of his replies

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrTickle View Post
    https://twitter.com/SrslySirius/status/1940522336450740570

    Thomas has done it again, and the joke has gone over the head of almost all of his replies
    LOL. Thomas is a funny mofo for sure and a lot poker players on twitter are fucking idiots

    He used the footage perfectly.

    As for hypocrisy, it’s not analogous though. That million dollar bonus is only for winning the Main Event (so it’s not really a great promo tbh). Online sites used to do that all the time. Back in the day when I won my seat on Party Poker it was either a 5 or 10 million dollar bonus for winning the main. I think Bodog was offering like 50
    Million at the time or something ridiculous. BTW Jamie Gold I believe won the main through working with Bodog and didn’t “qualify” on there, so wasn’t offered any bonus to my knowledge.

    But still can’t take anything away from Thomas. Funny shit.

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