Last edited by desertrunner; 06-27-2025 at 11:11 AM.
lol. You don’t know shit about the retail gasoline market.Originally Posted by desertrunner
- Please show me where I made such a claim?
- How do you know what I know on the topic?
- Is it required here to be a "subject matter" on any topic here? Is this a PFA rule?
- I own 3 oil stocks and 2 gasoline stocks in CA, so I watch this topic closely and always trying to learn. Always something to learn.
- This is a new and breaking topic in California. I buy gasoline weekly, so this topic does impact me.
- This is the point of these bulletin board systems- To seek and share knowledge. So its not OK to post a topic in hopes of learning more about it?
Last edited by desertrunner; 06-27-2025 at 11:10 AM.
You just scour the internet for shit that confirm your biases and post it, without any analysis or commentary. My dad, without question, knows more about the wholesale and retail gasoline markets than anyone in the country. If he can’t predict what will happen, nobody can.- Please show me where I made such a claim?
- How do you know what I know on the topic?
- Is it required here to be a "subject matter" on any topic here? Is this a PFA rule?
- I own 3 oil stocks and 2 gasoline stocks in CA, so I watch this topic closely and always trying to learn. Always something to learn.
- This is a new and breaking topic in California. I buy gasoline weekly, so this topic does impact me.
- This is the point of these bulletin board systems- To seek and share knowledge. So its not OK to post a topic in hopes of learning more about it?
It is true that Gavin Newsom is attempting to destroy the petroleum industry in California. He can try, but market forces will prevail.
will the 2-3 refineries closing in Commiefornia hurt gas prices...? surely it wouldn't help... no??You just scour the internet for shit that confirm your biases and post it, without any analysis or commentary. My dad, without question, knows more about the wholesale and retail gasoline markets than anyone in the country. If he can’t predict what will happen, nobody can.
It is true that Gavin Newsom is attempting to destroy the petroleum industry in California. He can try, but market forces will prevail.
Problem is its not just California folks will suffer with the refinery and other issues. Nevada and Arizona both get a large majority of their gas from California and the asinine holdback rules Pretty Boy Newscum already had put pressure on prices in those two states.
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My guess is that this Repubilcan Assemblyman is exaggerating, but I also saw that tweet and was alarmed.
What's certain is that gas will go up a minimum of 65c/gallon on July 1, due to Newsom's new tax, despite CA already having the most expensive gas in the country.
This refinery situation couldn't be good, either. $8-$10 gas may not happen, but $7 is definitely realistic by the end of the year. It's already over $5 for regular unleaded at many CA gas stations.
It’s $3.75 in Bakersfield. Fun fact: Moshen Oil in Yermo always has the cheapest gas on I-15 in California.
Jesus beat me to it, I know AZ and NV rely on CA oil and gas.
Druff and I have an associate named Josh (good guy) who works at the Marathon Petroleum (MPC) refinery in LA County and he just texted me and said his facility is staying open. I only know a little about Marathon and assume a large company will buy them out. I am also going to buy some MPC next week and add them to my portfolio.
Also, I have a friend name Dana that works for Chevron in the Bay Area and I think his plant in Martinez is shutting down soon. I know the SF International Airport relays on that plant for AV fuel.
So, me just being an observer here and talking to friends, no one knows the future. Seems like Gavin Newsom is playing the "king game" here with the refineries and gas prices.
Had to look it up as I dont normally stop in Yermo for fuel, always in Barstow, but I will change it up now.
Station #5 Truck Stop
35680 Daggett Yermo Rd
Yermo, Ca 92398
(760) 254-2119
No, I really dont "scour" much, most things just pop up unexpectedly. I try to analyses and understand the best I can, thats why I talk to my connected friend and post stuff here- to get intel. And I do believe you about your dad, he absolutely knows more than anyone here, how about you share some of his knowledge with us and tell us what he thinks?
He is definitely a clown and has some twisted weird agenda up his sleeve, mostly likely an attempt to still push EVs on the state.It is true that Gavin Newsom is attempting to destroy the petroleum industry in California. He can try, but market forces will prevail.
Why is California shutting down oil refineries- Gov. Gavin Newsom wants the state to still go EV and he is fighting Trump killing the California 2035 EV mandate, my guess.
California Governor Gavin Newsom has been a strong proponent of electric vehicles (EVs), enacting policies aimed at transitioning the state to a zero-emission vehicle (ZEV) future by 2035. This includes regulations like Advanced Clean Cars II, which mandates that all new passenger cars, trucks, and SUVs sold in California be zero-emission by 2035. Newsom also supports state-level incentives, including potential rebates if the federal EV tax credit is eliminated.
I don’t buy lower quality gas from no name stations.
Besides, I have various Jew discounts set up for the big players.
Druff gets his lead additive through a Mexican cartel reseller on Amazon. DIY
I suspect California would require comrades to use corn fuel.
lol. There is zero difference between the gas at an independent than at Chevron and Shell. Plus, you should always buy the lowest octane gas, unless you’re towing something uphill or driving 140 mph. My dad puts 87 in his Bentley.
Down the road from me is a 7-11 and they give me on average an 11 cent per gallon discount on top of their lower price. Plus they send me text phone offers. I also use the 7-11 in Nor Cal when I go up to see family and get the discount. Over the years, 7-11 has been good to me.
My B Plan- I have gas charge cards for the companies I like and own stock in- Exxon Mobile, 76 and Chevron. (Didnt know I had Chevron until recently). These are the back ups if needed. The Exxon Mobile is nice because I get a discount when I use the app tied to the charge card. I also like the charge cards for the Vegas trips so I can see exactly what I paid for on the whole trip. Lastly, I dont mind paying extra on these premium brands if I own the company stock.
This is what I always tell people-
1. The local gas all comes the same local refineries.
2. The 87 octane burns just as clean as the 89 or 91 in your regular non-race vehicle.
Jayjami is correct here.
Side note- I will NOT put pump gas into my chainsaws or generators because of the ethanol. I buy the canned engineered fuel instead from VP. There are 1-2 VP stations in Las Vegas. I also know there is a Sunoco station in the Bay Area and they usually sell non-ethanol gas. Never run ethanol gas in your saw or generator, it will eat away the internal rubber components. I only buy VP and no longer buy Trufuel, i think VP is far superior.
Def always run this in your chain saw, Druff can confirm...
If this ever happens, Druff has a Plan B...
I felt Grok gave a good summary about independent gas stations versus big ones like Shell:lol. There is zero difference between the gas at an independent than at Chevron and Shell. Plus, you should always buy the lowest octane gas, unless you’re towing something uphill or driving 140 mph. My dad puts 87 in his Bentley.
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Key Points on Gasoline Quality
Base Gasoline is Similar:
Most gasoline in the U.S. comes from the same refineries and pipelines, regardless of whether it’s sold at a name-brand station (e.g., Shell, Exxon, Chevron) or an independent one (e.g., a local mini-mart or unbranded station).
The base fuel must meet federal and state standards, such as those set by the EPA, ensuring consistent quality for octane levels and basic performance.
Additives Differentiate Brands:
Name-brand stations often use proprietary additive packages (e.g., Shell’s V-Power Nitro+, Chevron’s Techron) to enhance fuel performance. These additives are designed to clean engines, reduce deposits, and improve fuel efficiency or performance.
Independent stations typically use generic additives to meet minimum industry standards (e.g., ASTM D4814). These are sufficient for most vehicles but may not offer the same level of engine-cleaning or performance benefits as name-brand fuels.
Top Tier Gasoline:
Many name-brand stations (Shell, Chevron, Exxon, etc.) and some independents (e.g., Costco, QuikTrip) sell Top Tier gasoline, which exceeds EPA standards for detergent additives. Top Tier fuels are certified to provide better engine protection and performance.
Not all independent stations carry Top Tier fuel, but some do. Check for the Top Tier logo or verify with the station.
Fuel Freshness and Storage:
Name-brand stations often have higher customer turnover, meaning their fuel is fresher. Independent stations with lower traffic might have fuel sitting in underground tanks longer, which can degrade quality slightly (e.g., water contamination or oxidation).
However, reputable independents with good maintenance practices can still provide high-quality fuel.
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My own conclusion: I am sticking with the majors.
Also, your statement about the octane isn't true when it comes to certain types of engines. I have a V8 engine and need 91 for good performance. When I drive shitty rental cars, as I just did driving back from Vegas recently (I arrived by plane), then I get 87 octane gas, plus I'm more willing to go to independent stations.
Apologies to your dad.
Question for everyone here- What's in the future? Where will the California gas situation be a year from now??
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