hey remember when we got told for like decades straight that we would need nuclear bunker busters to deal with iran's underground enrichment sites?

[ftpjesus]

To me this isn't particularly complicated.

Israel has wanted to do this ever since 10/7/23. With Trump in office, they figured they had a legit shot. By their own admission, this plan has been in the works for 8 months. That puts preparations starting in mid-October 2024 -- right around when it was starting to look like Trump was the favorite to win the election.

I'm guessing Trump has known most of the way -- possibly soon after he got re-elected, and has just been quietly waiting for Israel to make its move. This is actually ideal for the US, because they don't have to send any troops or actively join the war, and at most they will quietly provide funding or weaponry.

According to reports, Iran lost their 3 top nuclear scientists, and the facilities have severely been damaged. If they attempt to repair and restart, the same thing can happen again.

I'm assuming that Israel's goal here is to make Iran realize that they're going to get the shit bombed out of them every time they attempt this nuke program from now on, so not to bother. It's also probably a message along the lines of, "You keep fucking with us? We're gonna fuck with you."

Iran has to be a bit shaken by this. Not only did they lose a number of top IGRC guys, but their own facilities were used against them to disable or destroy their anti-aircraft weaponry, as Mossad apparently gained access to this stuff within Iran, which is crazy.

This was basically punching the bully really hard in the face, knocking him on his ass, and saying, "Stop what you've been doing, or you're getting it much worse next time."

The question becomes what Israel does if Iran puts up more of a retaliation than just firing some rockets into Tel Aviv. If it gets to the point where Israel has to start obliterating Tehran itself from the air, this can get really, really messy. But it's probably a gamble they're willing to take. The alternative is to allow Iran to develop nukes, which will pretty much be game over for Israel's deterrent power in the region.

Israel has their own arsenal. Iran knows it. Iran if they dared detonate a nuke on Israel would be hit with multiple Jericho IIIs which all carry warheads basically in the same range yield as our MM3s (roughly 450kt). Its the bigger picture that you have to look at.. KSA has said clearly if Iran gets nukes they will have their own and it wont take long. The Arab world wants the Mullahs gone because an Iran with nukes would destablize the whole damn middle east and likely spark a nuclear arms race among literally the two of the biggest crude oil exporters in world. Yall think the price of oil and gas is bad now. it doesnt end well if Iran and KSA nuke each others oil fields which would be the likely scenario if they got into a shooting war.

[Gordman]

Had to remove a garrett troll post and also remove him from the thread.

garrett, you are welcome to express your distaste for sonatine, but please don't fuck up serious threads with that stuff. You already started a thread recently about hating sonatine (which I let stand), so please do any bashing over there. Thank you.

LOL AGAIN?

That fucking guy just doesn't know when to just shut the fuck up.

SHUT THE FUCK UP GARRETT

[Dan Druff]

So it's getting more likely that the US will take part in a mission to destroy Fordow, then probably back away.

A lot of the woke right (Dave Smith, Candace Owens, Ian Carroll, Tucker Carlson, and their followers) are crying foul about this. However, polling data shows that well over 70% of GOP voters would have no issue with the US assisting in taking out Iran's nuclear capabilities, so Trump doesn't have much to worry about.

[BCR]

So it's getting more likely that the US will take part in a mission to destroy Fordow, then probably back away.

A lot of the woke right (Dave Smith, Candace Owens, Ian Carroll, Tucker Carlson, and their followers) are crying foul about this. However, polling data shows that well over 70% of GOP voters would have no issue with the US assisting in taking out Iran's nuclear capabilities, so Trump doesn't have much to worry about.

Who polled this? Generally curious. I’ve seen a number of polls and all were below 50% of GOP.

I imagine the devil is in the exact wording of the question. I have to imagine this one was super narrow. Most I have saw were do you support the US intervening in the war. This must be a bombing only with zero commitment to do a single other thing.


This is what I expect him to do. Especially since we haven’t done it yet. It seems he is saying go bomb all you want to bomb and we will be the last action.


At least that’s his intention, but once you do it, who knows what it starts?

It won’t cause regime change or any of the other things many want. I don’t think they even have a nuclear weapon anyway or are particularly close, but it won’t hurt him politically too bad to bomb an underground facility if he’s done with it and can extricate us. The 30% would hurt a lot if it held, but likely won’t. The GOP is likely to get hammered in the mid terms anyway with how things are trending and how poorly the administration in power usually does. But that will be as much about his stupid beautiful bill which is garbage and super unpopular as opposed to this action.

[mickeycrimm]

LOL AGAIN?

That fucking guy just doesn't know when to just shut the fuck up.

SHUT THE FUCK UP GARRETT

Thats right, folks. The lefties on this forum are free to troll. Protected class. But righties shut the fuck up. Do you lefties give druff head for the privileges? Thought so.

Gourdman is the, ahem, head-master.

But it is entertaining watching retarded left wingnuts debating shit they know nothing about.

[Cerveza Fria]

yeah what the fuck is going on over there exactly?

is this all theater?

what strategic goal is israel pursuing here exactly?

Don't criticize the cuisine before dinner is served.

[BCR]

LOL AGAIN?

That fucking guy just doesn't know when to just shut the fuck up.

SHUT THE FUCK UP GARRETT

Thats right, folks. The lefties on this forum are free to troll. Protected class. But righties shut the fuck up. Do you lefties give druff head for the privileges? Thought so.

Gourdman is the, ahem, head-master.

But it is entertaining watching retarded left wingnuts debating shit they know nothing about.

Go write another tutorial on how to obtain food stamps and be a fucking parasite on society like you were when you were actually an able bodied man. Just write it on the free breakfast comp forum. No one here gives a fuck about the opinion of some dying crippled food stamps hobo.

Garrett already gets his government handout every month. He doesn’t need your instructional advice.

Quit playing the victim for the thousandth time here and wheel yourself back to wherever you came from.

[mickeycrimm]

Thats right, folks. The lefties on this forum are free to troll. Protected class. But righties shut the fuck up. Do you lefties give druff head for the privileges? Thought so.

Gourdman is the, ahem, head-master.

But it is entertaining watching retarded left wingnuts debating shit they know nothing about.

Go write another tutorial on how to obtain food stamps and be a fucking parasite on society like you were when you were actually an able bodied man. Just write it on the free breakfast comp forum. No one here gives a fuck about the opinion of some dying crippled food stamps hobo.

Garrett already gets his government handout every month. He doesn’t need your instructional advice.

Quit playing the victim for the thousandth time here and wheel yourself back to wherever you came from.

Like I said, druff. You give these maggot libtard punks free reign to troll while stifling those they attack. It has to stop. You need to quit protecting these maggots and clean this place up.

BCR will be over later to give you head.

[BCR]

Go write another tutorial on how to obtain food stamps and be a fucking parasite on society like you were when you were actually an able bodied man. Just write it on the free breakfast comp forum. No one here gives a fuck about the opinion of some dying crippled food stamps hobo.

Garrett already gets his government handout every month. He doesn’t need your instructional advice.

Quit playing the victim for the thousandth time here and wheel yourself back to wherever you came from.

Like I said, druff. You give these maggot libtard punks free reign to troll while stifling those they attack. It has to stop. You need to quit protecting these maggots and clean this place up.

Fuck you old man. Quit crying to Druff. He can’t help it you’re retarded and continually embarrass yourself and then play the victim.

Garett didn’t get shut down because of any political opinions you senile moron. He isn’t really political. He has TBI and went on a manic spree posting 200 times one after another. Nothing political, just rambling. Yet you derail a thread to play the victim and whine like a bitch. Constantly the victim. Druff isn’t your social worker or rep from the Montana agency on aging. It’s not his fault you get your ass kicked in every thread you enter.

[RichardBrodiesCombover.]

Go write another tutorial on how to obtain food stamps and be a fucking parasite on society like you were when you were actually an able bodied man. Just write it on the free breakfast comp forum. No one here gives a fuck about the opinion of some dying crippled food stamps hobo.

Garrett already gets his government handout every month. He doesn’t need your instructional advice.

Quit playing the victim for the thousandth time here and wheel yourself back to wherever you came from.

Like I said, druff. You give these maggot libtard punks free reign to troll while stifling those they attack. It has to stop. You need to quit protecting these maggots and clean this place up.

BCR will be over later to give you head.

Stop crying you useless pussy

[mickeycrimm]

Well, Druff, you can certainly see how interested the PFA libfags are in keeping this a serious thread lol

[Orko]

put the cost of R & D for all bunker busters on Israel's tab.
Air craft carriers, bill Israel for half the cost.
This new Iron Dome Trump wants over America, I suspect it's acrually for Israel. It's just a clever way to get the US tto pay for it.
The F35 is the most costly military project in history, put that on Israel's tab too.

Can you imagine if we spent a fraction of that on improving Amereica

[BCR]

Well, Druff, you can certainly see how interested the PFA libfags are in keeping this a serious thread lol

Holy shit the foot stamps king is still crying like a bitch when he derailed thread to whine about Garrett being banned for his politics.

[desertrunner]

[Jayjami]

No. You can thank Bush II for overthrowing Saddam and creating a power vacuum in the region.

[mickeycrimm]

Well, Druff, you can certainly see how interested the PFA libfags are in keeping this a serious thread lol

Holy shit the foot stamps king is still crying like a bitch when he derailed thread to whine about Garrett being banned for his politics.

You've derailed hundreds of threads with your sniveling negativity. You just can't get away from sniveling like a little bitch everyday....along with spreading misinformation. Your cup is always half empty while everyone else's is half full. You bring nothing but negativity to this forum everyday.

But the worst thing you do is spread disinformation. Like your false claim that fascism is a right wing ideology. Of course, I think your truly believe it. Because your socialist puppet masters revised history to make you believe it came from conservatism. You are their useful dupe, idiot. You want to believe it so badly. Because your whole world will fall apart if it isn't true.

Fascism came from socialism, dupe. There are those of us that don't fall for the revisionist history. A 45 second clip:

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1935440905684795789

[BCR]

I’m not going to argue with some dementia case. Anyone who finished high school can understand why it’s a right wing ideology more than left. I’m not going to explain it to some dropout hobo

Here is grok



Fascists are typically classified as right-wing due to their emphasis on nationalism, hierarchy, and traditional social structures, which align with conservative values. They prioritize strong state control, often led by a charismatic leader, and advocate for economic policies that blend private enterprise with state intervention, rejecting both liberal individualism and socialist collectivism. Historically, fascist movements like Mussolini’s Italy and Hitler’s Germany opposed left-wing ideologies such as communism and socialism, targeting them as enemies, which further cements their right-wing association.

However, the label can oversimplify things. Fascism doesn’t fit neatly on a linear political spectrum, as it borrows elements from both sides—e.g., state control from the left and cultural traditionalism from the right. Its core is authoritarianism and suppression of dissent, which can transcend traditional left-right divides. Still, the right-wing tag sticks because of fascism’s historical alliances with conservative elites and its appeal to nationalist and anti-egalitarian sentiments.

[mickeycrimm]

I’m not going to argue with some dementia case. Anyone who finished high school can understand why it’s a right wing ideology more than left. I’m not going to explain it to some dropout hobo

Here is grok



Fascists are typically classified as right-wing due to their emphasis on nationalism, hierarchy, and traditional social structures, which align with conservative values. They prioritize strong state control, often led by a charismatic leader, and advocate for economic policies that blend private enterprise with state intervention, rejecting both liberal individualism and socialist collectivism. Historically, fascist movements like Mussolini’s Italy and Hitler’s Germany opposed left-wing ideologies such as communism and socialism, targeting them as enemies, which further cements their right-wing association.

However, the label can oversimplify things. Fascism doesn’t fit neatly on a linear political spectrum, as it borrows elements from both sides—e.g., state control from the left and cultural traditionalism from the right. Its core is authoritarianism and suppression of dissent, which can transcend traditional left-right divides. Still, the right-wing tag sticks because of fascism’s historical alliances with conservative elites and its appeal to nationalist and anti-egalitarian sentiments.

Grok was programmed by socialists. Mussolini was a life long socialist. Hell, he was the leader of the Italian Socialist Party for years. Grok can't change that, only tell socialist revisionist history that your dumb stupid ass believes. Conservatism has always been about freedom, not control that the left wants and needs so desperately. God you're stupid. Do some real research, you dumb fuck.

[BCR]

As someone who was already a college graduate and paying taxes while you were a 40 year old able bodied man eating off my tax dollars, I am exercising my freedom to not also educate you further as it’s a waste of time to educate someone terminally ill. Have you no pride? Hasn’t society given you enough handouts? We have to cut you off now Mickey Foodstamps

[mickeycrimm]

As someone who was already a college graduate and paying taxes while you were a 40 year old able bodied man eating off my tax dollars, I am exercising my freedom to not also educate you further as it’s a waste of time to educate someone terminally ill. Have you no pride? Hasn’t society given you enough handouts? We have to cut you off now Mickey Foodstamps

You are so easy to trigger.

I went to sea at the age of 16 working in the engine room of a freighter. In the 70's I had a desk job with the State of Alaska. In the 80's I was a bartender. In the late 80's I switched to the Alaska Fisheries where I was working when I decided to pursue poker in the early 90's.
You are so easy to trigger.

I made it in gambling. You didn't. You failed at poker. It chewed you up and spit you out. They called you Deadmoney behind your back. Your best game was a short-handed game. But you could never find one. Every time you sat down the table filled up. You washed out because you didn't have the intelligence to pull it off. Same as sonatine.

You're the bum here with a worthless degree. And a heroin habit. You sure do know a lot about food stamps. How much do you draw per month?

Nothing worse than a junkie sniveling to the public everyday.