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    The US is estimated to have killed 500,000 arab children. O Bomber uses drones and kills children all the time. Perspective ...
    That is an unforunate side effect of terrorists hiding amongst the women and children. Whos really the one killing them? Is it the ones who press the button on the bombs, or the ones who cause the bombs to be there in the first place?

    Heres a great idea to Muslims. If you dont want innocent women and children killed dont hide amongst them and better yet stop plotting terrorist acts. Follow those 2 rules or even just 1 of them and your kill count will go down guaranteed.
    There is a famous quote from Golda Meir:

    "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo Tomasi View Post
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    That is an unforunate side effect of terrorists hiding amongst the women and children. Whos really the one killing them? Is it the ones who press the button on the bombs, or the ones who cause the bombs to be there in the first place?

    Heres a great idea to Muslims. If you dont want innocent women and children killed dont hide amongst them and better yet stop plotting terrorist acts. Follow those 2 rules or even just 1 of them and your kill count will go down guaranteed.
    There is a famous quote from Golda Meir:

    "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us"


    Reminds me of what i've read of ancient Romans in that they didn't fear death, they feared a meaningless death or a death without glory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyJ View Post
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    The US is estimated to have killed 500,000 arab children. O Bomber uses drones and kills children all the time. Perspective ...
    That is an unforunate side effect of terrorists hiding amongst the women and children. Whos really the one killing them? Is it the ones who press the button on the bombs, or the ones who cause the bombs to be there in the first place?

    Heres a great idea to Muslims. If you dont want innocent women and children killed dont hide amongst them and better yet stop plotting terrorist acts. Follow those 2 rules or even just 1 of them and your kill count will go down guaranteed.
    I don't think anyone read the article. It is from November of 2001. That tally of approximately 500,000 children was disputed but using the word killed is inaccurate. The children died supposedly as a result of sanctions the US placed on Iraq which is very different than the US bombing children. Still sad children died.

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    Friday’s horrific national tragedy -- the murder of 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut -- has ignited a new discussion on violence in America. In kitchens and coffee shops across the country, we tearfully debate the many faces of violence in America: gun culture, media violence, lack of mental health services, overt and covert wars abroad, religion, politics and the way we raise our children. Liza Long, a writer based in Boise, says it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.

    While every family's story of mental illness is different, and we may never know the whole of the Lanza's story, tales like this one need to be heard -- and families who live them deserve our help.

    Three days before 20 year-old Adam Lanza killed his mother, then opened fire on a classroom full of Connecticut kindergartners, my 13-year old son Michael (name changed) missed his bus because he was wearing the wrong color pants.

    “I can wear these pants,” he said, his tone increasingly belligerent, the black-hole pupils of his eyes swallowing the blue irises.

    “They are navy blue,” I told him. “Your school’s dress code says black or khaki pants only.”

    “They told me I could wear these,” he insisted. “You’re a stupid bitch. I can wear whatever pants I want to. This is America. I have rights!”

    “You can’t wear whatever pants you want to,” I said, my tone affable, reasonable. “And you definitely cannot call me a stupid bitch. You’re grounded from electronics for the rest of the day. Now get in the car, and I will take you to school.”

    I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.

    A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7 and 9 year old siblings knew the safety plan -- they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.

    That conflict ended with three burly police officers and a paramedic wrestling my son onto a gurney for an expensive ambulance ride to the local emergency room. The mental hospital didn’t have any beds that day, and Michael calmed down nicely in the ER, so they sent us home with a prescription for Zyprexa and a follow-up visit with a local pediatric psychiatrist.

    We still don’t know what’s wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He’s been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.

    At the start of seventh grade, Michael was accepted to an accelerated program for highly gifted math and science students. His IQ is off the charts. When he’s in a good mood, he will gladly bend your ear on subjects ranging from Greek mythology to the differences between Einsteinian and Newtonian physics to Doctor Who. He’s in a good mood most of the time. But when he’s not, watch out. And it’s impossible to predict what will set him off.

    Several weeks into his new junior high school, Michael began exhibiting increasingly odd and threatening behaviors at school. We decided to transfer him to the district’s most restrictive behavioral program, a contained school environment where children who can’t function in normal classrooms can access their right to free public babysitting from 7:30-1:50 Monday through Friday until they turn 18.

    The morning of the pants incident, Michael continued to argue with me on the drive. He would occasionally apologize and seem remorseful. Right before we turned into his school parking lot, he said, “Look, Mom, I’m really sorry. Can I have video games back today?”

    “No way,” I told him. “You cannot act the way you acted this morning and think you can get your electronic privileges back that quickly.”

    His face turned cold, and his eyes were full of calculated rage. “Then I’m going to kill myself,” he said. “I’m going to jump out of this car right now and kill myself.”

    That was it. After the knife incident, I told him that if he ever said those words again, I would take him straight to the mental hospital, no ifs, ands, or buts. I did not respond, except to pull the car into the opposite lane, turning left instead of right.
    “Where are you taking me?” he said, suddenly worried. “Where are we going?”

    “You know where we are going,” I replied.

    “No! You can’t do that to me! You’re sending me to hell! You’re sending me straight to hell!”

    I pulled up in front of the hospital, frantically waiving for one of the clinicians who happened to be standing outside. “Call the police,” I said. “Hurry.”

    Michael was in a full-blown fit by then, screaming and hitting. I hugged him close so he couldn’t escape from the car. He bit me several times and repeatedly jabbed his elbows into my rib cage. I’m still stronger than he is, but I won’t be for much longer.
    The police came quickly and carried my son screaming and kicking into the bowels of the hospital. I started to shake, and tears filled my eyes as I filled out the paperwork -- “Were there any difficulties with… at what age did your child… were there any problems with.. has your child ever experienced.. does your child have…”

    At least we have health insurance now. I recently accepted a position with a local college, giving up my freelance career because when you have a kid like this, you need benefits. You’ll do anything for benefits. No individual insurance plan will cover this kind of thing.

    For days, my son insisted that I was lying -- that I made the whole thing up so that I could get rid of him. The first day, when I called to check up on him, he said, “I hate you. And I’m going to get my revenge as soon as I get out of here.”

    By day three, he was my calm, sweet boy again, all apologies and promises to get better. I’ve heard those promises for years. I don’t believe them anymore.

    On the intake form, under the question, “What are your expectations for treatment?” I wrote, “I need help.”

    And I do. This problem is too big for me to handle on my own. Sometimes there are no good options. So you just pray for grace and trust that in hindsight, it will all make sense.

    I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza’s mother. I am Dylan Klebold’s and Eric Harris’s mother. I am James Holmes’s mother. I am Jared Loughner’s mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho’s mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness.

    According to Mother Jones, since 1982, 61 mass murders involving firearms have occurred throughout the country. Of these, 43 of the killers were white males, and only one was a woman. Mother Jones focused on whether the killers obtained their guns legally (most did). But this highly visible sign of mental illness should lead us to consider how many people in the U.S. live in fear, like I do.

    When I asked my son’s social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to get Michael charged with a crime. “If he’s back in the system, they’ll create a paper trail,” he said. “That’s the only way you’re ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you’ve got charges.”

    I don’t believe my son belongs in jail. The chaotic environment exacerbates Michael’s sensitivity to sensory stimuli and doesn’t deal with the underlying pathology. But it seems like the United States is using prison as the solution of choice for mentally ill people. According to Human Rights Watch, the number of mentally ill inmates in U.S. prisons quadrupled from 2000 to 2006, and it continues to rise -- in fact, the rate of inmate mental illness is five times greater (56 percent) than in the non-incarcerated population.

    With state-run treatment centers and hospitals shuttered, prison is now the last resort for the mentally ill -- Rikers Island, the LA County Jail and Cook County Jail in Illinois housed the nation’s largest treatment centers in 2011.

    No one wants to send a 13-year old genius who loves Harry Potter and his snuggle animal collection to jail. But our society, with its stigma on mental illness and its broken healthcare system, does not provide us with other options. Then another tortured soul shoots up a fast food restaurant. A mall. A kindergarten classroom. And we wring our hands and say, “Something must be done.”

    I agree that something must be done. It’s time for a meaningful, nation-wide conversation about mental health. That’s the only way our nation can ever truly heal.

    God help me. God help Michael. God help us all.
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    The ABC News producer who became a social media celebrity Friday for all the wrong reasons isn’t tweeting anymore. She’s no longer ”LinkedIn.” Even her Google+ is a minus. But ABC denies Nadine Shubailat has been fired for soliciting interviews online from panicked people in the wake of Friday’s devastating mass-shooting at a Connecticut elementary school.

    Shubailat tweeted her interview requests to two people with ties to Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. One of them, a man who said his friend’s daughter attends kindergarten there, responded to the intrusion with three indignant words: “Eat a dick.” (RELATED: ABC, NY Times reporters go full-on vulture tweeting friends, family of Connecticut massacre targets)

    Another said she was grieving the loss of her cousin. Shubailat later deleted both tweets, but an archive available at the website Topsy.com remains intact.

    ABC Senior VP Jeffrey W. Schneider told The Daily Caller on Sunday evening that Shubailat was not fired on Friday, calling the rumor “1000 percent false.”

    But Shubailat’s ABC News email address, which TheDC used to contact her Friday night, no longer existed 48 hours later. Emails sent to that address — the one she included with her now-famous tweets — bounced back to the sender in what Gmail calls a “permanent failure … User unknown.”

    By Sunday, Shubailat’s Twitter account – @NadineatABC – had also been deleted. Her formerly extensive LinkedIn account no longer existed, and was available only from Google in a cached version.

    That cache, a snapshot taken Saturday, Dec. 15 at 2:10 EST, still reflected that Shubailat was an “Editorial Producer at ABC News.” But 24 hours later, the cache was its only trace.

    Her personal Facebook account was still online but no longer publicly mentioned her employment status.

    Another Facebook account bearing Shubailat’s name had also sprung up, one that TheDC has confirmed is a parody. It announced Sunday that she had “[l]ots of time on my hands now to thank people for making me world famous.”

    That parody appeared to copy Shubailat’s employment and education history from her genuine account before the information was placed out of the public’s reach.

    Schneider, the ABC News spokesman who denied Shubailat was fired, did not respond to follow-up emails Sunday night asking whether she was still employed with the network, or if she had left ABC on her own.



    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/17/vu...#ixzz2FIXfuYmn

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyJ View Post

    Heres a great idea to Muslims. If you dont want innocent women and children killed dont hide amongst them and better yet stop plotting terrorist acts. Follow those 2 rules or even just 1 of them and your kill count will go down guaranteed.
    Really? You want them to just bendover and take it up the ass? Just accept being bullied by another nation? Your answer is to up the level of bullying until they comply? How has that been working for you?

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    Report: mass murder Adam Lanza was a big fan of violent (NC17) video games so lets ban all video games and while we are at it lets ban all violent movies

    Violent Video Games: More Playing Time Equals More Aggression

    "COLUMBUS, Ohio – A new study provides the first experimental evidence that the negative effects of playing violent video games can accumulate over time.

    Researchers found that people who played a violent video game for three consecutive days showed increases in aggressive behavior and hostile expectations each day they played. Meanwhile, those who played nonviolent games showed no meaningful changes in aggression or hostile expectations over that period.

    Although other experimental studies have shown that a single session of playing a violent video game increased short-term aggression, this is the first to show longer-term effects, said Brad Bushman, co-author of the study and professor of communication and psychology at Ohio State University.

    “It’s important to know the long-term causal effects of violent video games, because so many young people regularly play these games,” Bushman said.

    “Playing video games could be compared to smoking cigarettes. A single cigarette won’t cause lung cancer, but smoking over weeks or months or years greatly increases the risk. In the same way, repeated exposure to violent video games may have a cumulative effect on aggression"

    http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/violgametime.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo Tomasi View Post
    Report: mass murder Adam Lanza was a big fan of violent (NC17) video games so lets ban all video games and while we are at it lets ban all violent movies

    Violent Video Games: More Playing Time Equals More Aggression

    "COLUMBUS, Ohio – A new study provides the first experimental evidence that the negative effects of playing violent video games can accumulate over time.

    Researchers found that people who played a violent video game for three consecutive days showed increases in aggressive behavior and hostile expectations each day they played. Meanwhile, those who played nonviolent games showed no meaningful changes in aggression or hostile expectations over that period.

    Although other experimental studies have shown that a single session of playing a violent video game increased short-term aggression, this is the first to show longer-term effects, said Brad Bushman, co-author of the study and professor of communication and psychology at Ohio State University.

    “It’s important to know the long-term causal effects of violent video games, because so many young people regularly play these games,” Bushman said.

    “Playing video games could be compared to smoking cigarettes. A single cigarette won’t cause lung cancer, but smoking over weeks or months or years greatly increases the risk. In the same way, repeated exposure to violent video games may have a cumulative effect on aggression"

    http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/violgametime.htm
    Lack of sex has been showed to increase violent thoughts as well. Perhaps government mandated brothels for all citizens. They should probably stock bologna and teddy bears for when Mike shows up for his fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo Tomasi View Post
    Report: mass murder Adam Lanza was a big fan of violent (NC17) video games so lets ban all video games and while we are at it lets ban all violent movies

    Violent Video Games: More Playing Time Equals More Aggression

    "COLUMBUS, Ohio – A new study provides the first experimental evidence that the negative effects of playing violent video games can accumulate over time.

    Researchers found that people who played a violent video game for three consecutive days showed increases in aggressive behavior and hostile expectations each day they played. Meanwhile, those who played nonviolent games showed no meaningful changes in aggression or hostile expectations over that period.

    Although other experimental studies have shown that a single session of playing a violent video game increased short-term aggression, this is the first to show longer-term effects, said Brad Bushman, co-author of the study and professor of communication and psychology at Ohio State University.

    “It’s important to know the long-term causal effects of violent video games, because so many young people regularly play these games,” Bushman said.

    “Playing video games could be compared to smoking cigarettes. A single cigarette won’t cause lung cancer, but smoking over weeks or months or years greatly increases the risk. In the same way, repeated exposure to violent video games may have a cumulative effect on aggression"

    http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/violgametime.htm
    Lack of sex has been showed to increase violent thoughts as well. Perhaps government mandated brothels for all citizens. They should probably stock bologna and teddy bears for when Mike shows up for his fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deal View Post
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    Heres a great idea to Muslims. If you dont want innocent women and children killed dont hide amongst them and better yet stop plotting terrorist acts. Follow those 2 rules or even just 1 of them and your kill count will go down guaranteed.
    Really? You want them to just bendover and take it up the ass? Just accept being bullied by another nation? Your answer is to up the level of bullying until they comply? How has that been working for you?
    Working out for who? For America's long-term security and the stability and prosperity of the world it has worked horribly. For the military-industrial complex and the prick-waving buffoons who run it and are never held accountable it's worked out fabulously.

    Oh, and mind your own business, Canadian!

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    Related - shopping centre shooting and some info not often published ...

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    abort all Asperger Syndrome babies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo Tomasi View Post
    abort all Asperger Syndrome babies
    Where did this come from?

    You can't tell in the womb if someone will be autistic or Asperger's. Anyway they are about to do away with the Asperger's diagnosis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
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    abort all Asperger Syndrome babies
    Where did this come from?

    You can't tell in the womb if someone will be autistic or Asperger's. Anyway they are about to do away with the Asperger's diagnosis.
    very soon there will be pre-natal test for most defects.

    A cure would be best but you would be left with a very tuff decision to abort a child, but walk a mile in the shoes of a parent that has to deal with this stuff may make this kind of decision easier.

    Advances in medical science and technology sometimes come with a heavy moral price. Traditional pre-natal genetic tests have involved invasive analysis of the mother's amniotic fluid. Now, less invasive blood tests are available. A new simple blood test is now on the market which can be used for genetic counseling about potential risks for developing autism. Information presented to expecting parents could easily lead to selective abortion of supposedly "at-risk" fetuses.
    all hail Hydra



    Originally Posted by DanDruff:Since I'm a 6'2" Republican with an average-sized nose and a last name which doesn't end with "stein", "man", or "berg", I can hide among the goyim and remain undetected unless I open my mouth about money matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Von Strucker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post

    Where did this come from?

    You can't tell in the womb if someone will be autistic or Asperger's. Anyway they are about to do away with the Asperger's diagnosis.
    very soon there will be pre-natal test for most defects.

    A cure would be best but you would be left with a very tuff decision to abort a child, but walk a mile in the shoes of a parent that has to deal with this stuff may make this kind of decision easier.

    Advances in medical science and technology sometimes come with a heavy moral price. Traditional pre-natal genetic tests have involved invasive analysis of the mother's amniotic fluid. Now, less invasive blood tests are available. A new simple blood test is now on the market which can be used for genetic counseling about potential risks for developing autism. Information presented to expecting parents could easily lead to selective abortion of supposedly "at-risk" fetuses.

    Gives rise to another talking point maybe? How many of the gun control folk are also pro abortion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo Tomasi View Post
    HOF

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    http://news.lalate.com/2012/12/18/ke...radio-markets/

    A hit Ke$ha song has been pulled after the Newtown tragedy. The Ke$ha song Die Young was pulled from rotation on several radio stations over the weekend. Now a national effort is underway to remove the Ke$ha song following the Newtown attack.
    I saw this in the trending topics on Yahoo just now. I'll have to admit that I don't listen to the pop music that dominates the radio now so I had to look it up on youtube. I agree that the song needs to be pulled but not because of a school shooting mainly just because Kesha is horrible.

    "that magic inside your pants is making me blush" is a pretty lol line though

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortbuspoker View Post
    http://news.lalate.com/2012/12/18/ke...radio-markets/

    A hit Ke$ha song has been pulled after the Newtown tragedy. The Ke$ha song Die Young was pulled from rotation on several radio stations over the weekend. Now a national effort is underway to remove the Ke$ha song following the Newtown attack.
    I saw this in the trending topics on Yahoo just now. I'll have to admit that I don't listen to the pop music that dominates the radio now so I had to look it up on youtube. I agree that the song needs to be pulled but not because of a school shooting mainly just because Kesha is horrible.

    "that magic inside your pants is making me blush" is a pretty lol line though
    Replace the Ke$ha song with this imo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SrslySirius View Post
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    http://news.lalate.com/2012/12/18/ke...radio-markets/



    I saw this in the trending topics on Yahoo just now. I'll have to admit that I don't listen to the pop music that dominates the radio now so I had to look it up on youtube. I agree that the song needs to be pulled but not because of a school shooting mainly just because Kesha is horrible.

    "that magic inside your pants is making me blush" is a pretty lol line though
    Replace the Ke$ha song with this imo.


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