The weird Indiana murder case of Liberty German and Abigail Williams

[Dan Druff]

BUMP

Richard Allen apparently confessed to the murders when talking to both his wife and his mother, via jailhouse calls in March and April 2023.

Shortly after his shocked wife hanging up on him following one of his admissions, he destroyed the tablet he was using for phone calls (why did he have a tablet in jail?), and hasn't made any calls since.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2366486.html

Since then, even his defense team admits that he made "admissions" while in jail, but is seeking to have those suppressed, claiming that his mental state has deteriorated, and he doesn't know what he's saying.

He has lost a ton of weight while in jail, and looks very unhealthy.

I still wonder if anyone else will ever be charged with the murders. Kegan Kline was likely involved, yet so far he has not been charged. Ron Logan is dead, and will never be charged.

[Dan Druff]

Another bump.

Kegan Kline was sentenced to 40 years in prison for possession of child pornography and soliciting (and receiving) sexual images from minors. He pled guilty. He cannot appeal the guilty plea, but can appeal the sentence, so he plans to do that.

Authorities are claiming he was "cleared" in involvement in the Delphi case, but a lot of questions remain unanswered. Do they really believe that it's a coincidence that he was the last one to talk to Liberty German online, and that he had planned to meet her that day at the exact location where she was murdered?

Kline clearly was not the man on the bridge who murdered the girls, since that man was around 5'7", and Kline is 6'1". However, I still believe had some kind of involvement here, but they can't seem to tie him to it.

It is still possible that his involvement was accidental, and he had shared the anthony_shots account with other pedos, and Richard Allen might have been one of them, and then seen that the meetup had been planned.

It is still not known how Richard Allen knew the girls would be there, but clearly he did. He was seen walking briskly "with purpose", and passed several teen girls along the way while barely giving them a look. It seemed he really was directly going to where he knew Abby and Libby would be.

Weird.

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/cr...c-00b483a003e1

[tgull]

Case is with the jurors. No DNA evidence, apparently there is more cell phone evidence other than the now infamous guy walking on the bridge. Apparently Richard Allen admitted he saw the girls on the trail, filed a report with a fake name, but it was simply filed away and not investigated by police. He used his first name, then the last name of the street he lived on. A volunteer years later who was investigating the case on her own recognized the street name, and reported it, then somehow they linked Allen to the crime after that. Why it took 5 years, who knows. You would have thought a grown man saying they saw the girls the time they were murdered would have been followed up on.

The girls had their necks sliced, but not sexually assaulted. One was nude, the other was re-dressed in the other girl's clothing. Just bizarre. Apparently a bullet was found at the crime scene which was the same bullets to the gun Allen had in his home. His car also links him to the crime scene but no license plates, just grainy footage of a Ford Focus. The defense tried to use the girls were part of a satanic cult but the judge tossed that theory out so it was not admissible to the jury.

Apparently, Allen had admitted multiple times he did the murders in jail. He is also admitting he sexually molested his own daughter, but his daughter said that never happened. He also is apparently eating his own feces while in jail and on psychotic medications.

The feeling is he did it, but there is also a chance a couple jurors create a hung jury, thus a mistrial. They are back deliberating today. I've sat on two juries, you get some of the dumbest fuckers you have ever seen who will believe anything, so don't rule out a hung jury.

[BCR]

From all the years of watching these types of cases, killers often insert themselves into the cases. I’m no criminologist, but I did watch Manhunter and I’ve watched too many documentaries. They start worrying do they know anything, did anyone see me and get my plates, getting paranoid, and the next thing you know they’re picking up the phone and volunteering info they might have never found.

Amateur deviants. When me and tgull do a hit, we eliminate the target and go back to sportsbetting and hurricanes like nothing ever happened. It’s how we have had such a successful murder for hire association all these years. Of course, we don’t get involved in this sex stuff with pedos unless it’s putting one down. No kids or women, just quick in and out shit if someone needs to go and a few political jobs in Central and South America.

I am genuinely curious how some fifty-something guy and some younger dude living on the same street bond over pedo abduction shit? Like were some young girls riding bikes in the neighborhood and the older guy said take a look at those hotties and found a receptive weirdo? Just seems weird that the older guy would keep silent about it, yet admitting anything might implicate both, but the younger kid was sentenced like they think he had involvement of some sort.

[lol wow]

HE DID WATCH MANHUNTER YALL AND NOT THE GAY PORN VERSION

[tgull]

From all the years of watching these types of cases, killers often insert themselves into the cases. I’m no criminologist, but I did watch Manhunter and I’ve watched too many documentaries. They start worrying do they know anything, did anyone see me and get my plates, getting paranoid, and the next thing you know they’re picking up the phone and volunteering info they might have never found.

Amateur deviants. When me and tgull do a hit, we eliminate the target and go back to sportsbetting and hurricanes like nothing ever happened. It’s how we have had such a successful murder for hire association all these years. Of course, we don’t get involved in this sex stuff with pedos unless it’s putting one down. No kids or women, just quick in and out shit if someone needs to go and a few political jobs in Central and South America.

I am genuinely curious how some fifty-something guy and some younger dude living on the same street bond over pedo abduction shit? Like were some young girls riding bikes in the neighborhood and the older guy said take a look at those hotties and found a receptive weirdo? Just seems weird that the older guy would keep silent about it, yet admitting anything might implicate both, but the younger kid was sentenced like they think he had involvement of some sort.

It is true these fucking guys always show up on the space hunt to find the body, giving information, showing up at funerals, crying, etc.. You just wonder what these guys are thinking. It's like the Idaho killer, if he was that hell bent on killing those 4 that night, you would have thought he would have left his cell phone at home and parked at the local mall and walked three miles to the house. Instead he parked two blocks away with his phone in the car, pinging the cell phone tower. Ted Bundy did it right if you are a serial killer, act like your injured at dusk and then handcuff the girl to your steering wheel and drive off quietly.

[BCR]

HE DID WATCH MANHUNTER YALL AND NOT THE GAY PORN VERSION

I couldn’t make sense out of your comment and then realized I did write that. You’re next with that sass. I have a 100 year old grandma in your neighborhood if I need to subcontract some wet work. She has nothing to lose. The old omg officer I thought I hit a garbage can when you’re crossing the street.

[BCR]

From all the years of watching these types of cases, killers often insert themselves into the cases. I’m no criminologist, but I did watch Manhunter and I’ve watched too many documentaries. They start worrying do they know anything, did anyone see me and get my plates, getting paranoid, and the next thing you know they’re picking up the phone and volunteering info they might have never found.

Amateur deviants. When me and tgull do a hit, we eliminate the target and go back to sportsbetting and hurricanes like nothing ever happened. It’s how we have had such a successful murder for hire association all these years. Of course, we don’t get involved in this sex stuff with pedos unless it’s putting one down. No kids or women, just quick in and out shit if someone needs to go and a few political jobs in Central and South America.

I am genuinely curious how some fifty-something guy and some younger dude living on the same street bond over pedo abduction shit? Like were some young girls riding bikes in the neighborhood and the older guy said take a look at those hotties and found a receptive weirdo? Just seems weird that the older guy would keep silent about it, yet admitting anything might implicate both, but the younger kid was sentenced like they think he had involvement of some sort.

It is true these fucking guys always show up on the space hunt to find the body, giving information, showing up at funerals, crying, etc.. You just wonder what these guys are thinking. It's like the Idaho killer, if he was that hell bent on killing those 4 that night, you would have thought he would have left his cell phone at home and parked at the local mall and walked three miles to the house. Instead he parked two blocks away with his phone in the car, pinging the cell phone tower. Ted Bundy did it right if you are a serial killer, act like your injured at dusk and then handcuff the girl to your steering wheel and drive off quietly.

The 70s blew my mind. Ted escaping from jail rolling into Tallahassee and no one has any idea a suspected serial killer is rolling around loose. Now you’d have a whole Reddit forum dedicated to him the minute he escaped and he’d be viral on TikTok.


I’d guess you have to be some longhaul trucker killing hookers to go on a run in 2024.

[tgull]

It is true these fucking guys always show up on the space hunt to find the body, giving information, showing up at funerals, crying, etc.. You just wonder what these guys are thinking. It's like the Idaho killer, if he was that hell bent on killing those 4 that night, you would have thought he would have left his cell phone at home and parked at the local mall and walked three miles to the house. Instead he parked two blocks away with his phone in the car, pinging the cell phone tower. Ted Bundy did it right if you are a serial killer, act like your injured at dusk and then handcuff the girl to your steering wheel and drive off quietly.

The 70s blew my mind. Ted escaping from jail rolling into Tallahassee and no one has any idea a suspected serial killer is rolling around loose. Now you’d have a whole Reddit forum dedicated to him the minute he escaped and he’d be viral on TikTok.


I’d guess you have to be some longhaul trucker killing hookers to go on a run in 2024.

Yeah, but there is always John Allen Muhammad and his surrogate son Lee Malvo sniping people from a tricked up car. Remember the media in that, saying it was white hunter who was a Bush supporter? Yeah not so much. But I do agree being a long haul trucker preying on prostitutes is where most serial killers are going nowadays. The Idaho guy seems like an outlier.

[Texter]

I wish Mindhunter didn’t get cancelled great show.

Not so sure about Manhunter, never seen it, Gay or Otherwise.

[zealanddonk]

Anyone checked Desertrunner's alibi for this timeframe?

[BCR]

I wish Mindhunter didn’t get cancelled great show.

Not so sure about Manhunter, never seen it, Gay or Otherwise.

Yeah Mindhunter was great and what I meant. Manhunter was the first Hannibal Lecter movie. At least that’s my story and I’m sticking with it.

[Dan Druff]

Case is with the jurors. No DNA evidence, apparently there is more cell phone evidence other than the now infamous guy walking on the bridge. Apparently Richard Allen admitted he saw the girls on the trail, filed a report with a fake name, but it was simply filed away and not investigated by police. He used his first name, then the last name of the street he lived on. A volunteer years later who was investigating the case on her own recognized the street name, and reported it, then somehow they linked Allen to the crime after that. Why it took 5 years, who knows. You would have thought a grown man saying they saw the girls the time they were murdered would have been followed up on.

The girls had their necks sliced, but not sexually assaulted. One was nude, the other was re-dressed in the other girl's clothing. Just bizarre. Apparently a bullet was found at the crime scene which was the same bullets to the gun Allen had in his home. His car also links him to the crime scene but no license plates, just grainy footage of a Ford Focus. The defense tried to use the girls were part of a satanic cult but the judge tossed that theory out so it was not admissible to the jury.

Apparently, Allen had admitted multiple times he did the murders in jail. He is also admitting he sexually molested his own daughter, but his daughter said that never happened. He also is apparently eating his own feces while in jail and on psychotic medications.

The feeling is he did it, but there is also a chance a couple jurors create a hung jury, thus a mistrial. They are back deliberating today. I've sat on two juries, you get some of the dumbest fuckers you have ever seen who will believe anything, so don't rule out a hung jury.

Very likely he did it, as the following evidence is against him:

- The hair of his now-dead cat was found at the scene. It was probably on Richard and then blew off while he was committing the murders.

- A bullet that was unfired but passed through the chamber of his gun (and likely fell out) was matched to his gun, though the defense is claiming this is an inexact science.

- He admitted to having been on the bridge where the kidnapping occurred, at around the time it happened. He claimed he was "watching the fish" (lol).

- He admitted to having worn the exact outfit seen on the "bridge guy" that day, on Libby's cell phone. The "bridge guy" was definitely the killer, as he was the one who said, "Guys, down the hill", and Abby remarked that he had a gun. At the time he admitted wearing that outfit, he wasn't aware the cell phone video existed.

- He is the exact height and build (5'6-5'7, stocky) of the "bridge guy'".

The only question in my mind is if others were involved. I still think that Kline kid had something to do with it (but likely wasn't physically present), and that old dude whose property the girls were found on/near was also highly suspicious, having asked relatives to lie about where he was at the time of that murder. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, he cannot be tried or investigated, as he croaked in January 2022 from COVID.

[tgull]

Another interesting fact was Allen had every intention to rape the girls, but got spooked when he saw a white van driving in the distance, he feared he would be spotted so he just cut their necks instead. Also of note he told plenty of people while in jail he covered their bodies in sticks, only something the killer would know since it was not released. Like I said it was clear he did it, but never underestimate the ignorance of jury members. There will be someone on the jury that will say, yeah but there is no eye witnesses to the murder, or no video. This is why in these non DNA cases its always best just to get a life in prison plea bargain rather than roll the dice with juries on the death penalty. Besides there are things worse than death, spending 23 hours a day in a 7x9 jail cell with no TV will break anyone. This is a supermax cell, where you spend your entire life, you get your own shower which comes on for 3 minutes, 4 days a week at 9am. Like I said there are things worse than death. Supermax, or sharing a jail cell with limitles complaining about Trump 24/7

[tgull]

Jury has reached a verdict. Not released yet.

[Dan Druff]

GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES


Apparently everyone who heard Richard Allen's voice also noted that he sounded just like the "Guys, down the hill" Bridge Guy. That had to make them feel better about convicting him.

[Dan Druff]

Here's a very short clip of his voice, and some dude comparing it.

Not super obvious if it's a match, but I an hear some similarities, especially in speaking pattern.

[tgull]

GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES


Apparently everyone who heard Richard Allen's voice also noted that he sounded just like the "Guys, down the hill" Bridge Guy. That had to make them feel better about convicting him.

The incredible thing is if not for a volunteer looking for evidence on her own time, the police never would have never focused on Richard Allen. He said in a report filed he was at the park the exact time, and nobody ever followed up from the police, including the FBI. I mean WTF, this is stereotype murder shit, volunteering information after the fact, hey I just want to let you know what I saw. It took a woman in her 60s to bring this file to investigators digging through files? What a cluster fuck.

[Dan Druff]

Small police departments are terrible with murder cases. We see this over and over.

Lots of mistakes here. They should've jumped on this guy within days. He brought himself right to that conservation officer, and admitted the clothing he was wearing was identical to the soon-to-be-found Bridge Guy video!

[tgull]

Small police departments are terrible with murder cases. We see this over and over.

Lots of mistakes here. They should've jumped on this guy within days. He brought himself right to that conservation officer, and admitted the clothing he was wearing was identical to the soon-to-be-found Bridge Guy video!

This is from 40+ years ago, Taxi Driver. When someone volunteers information trying to help, they are generally the prime suspect. I am not sure why this is so hard, I mean the fucking guy said he was there and trying to help afterwards find the killer.