Official **** Joe Biden - Donald Trump Debate Thread **** Thursday June 27th

[herbertstemple]

just watched the interview. joe didn't quite ace it but he came in with a solid c+. he did just enough to convince himself he is fit to stay. lefties are going to be doing a lot of squawking the next few days. if the democrats have to 25th amendment him they have to do it fast. their convention ends Aug 22. they got less than 7 weeks. assuming they have to have it done by the end of their convention or a little sooner. looks like their goto is kamala. if rfkjr ran on dem ticket i think he has the best shot to win.

[VaughnP]

What poll is this from? How long after 9/11 was his fourth year in office? How unpopular were the Iraq and Afghanistan wars at this time?

I'm not sure why you are having such a hard time understanding that Kamala has way less of a chance than Joe. If Joe is going to drop out she will be pressured into deciding not to take his place. She was one of weakest candidateson either side in the 2020 primaries, the weakest I've seen that was given any platform in my lifetime, and despite what you might think, she has been widely ridiculed among black folks. She still is.

Going to have to duck out of this discussion only because I have no idea what point you are trying to make. I think both Biden or Harris will lose to Trump at this point. In fact these mystical unannounced Dem candidates will all lose with the lone exception of MO, and she has been clear she is not running. That is of course if the election were held today. You keep referring to the Dems somehow forcing Biden and Harris off the ticket, that your anecdotal stories of knowing how millions of black women feel about Kamala would abandon her for a white candidate is interesting, which I would love to see as it would fracture the party for a decade. I just don't think black women are going to be ok with the first back VP woman being kicked off the ticket for someone white, but that is just me. I don't know any black women more than casually, so I don't have the experiences you may have of sharing political preferences.

It's like the establishment Repubs repeating time and again you know how far Haley would be ahead if she were the nominee? Yeah, but she is not the candidate so why even talk about it is my point. You play the hand you are dealt and right now it's Trump, Biden and Harris. If Reagan were alive he would beat them all, but he is dead. Something could happen that causes an earthquake in the race I don't know I am not that clairvoyant.

I didn't read this post past the first sentence, but you keep giving entirely baseless takes. I honestly don't think you are cherry picking facts either or intentionally ignoring widely known ones, I now believe that you likely just don't know what you are talking about but enjoy pretending that you do. There is a stronger by the day consensus forming on the left that Joe needs to step aside - we can all agree on that. If that were to happen Kopmala would be pressured to get out of the way as she is arguably somehow an even weaker candidate than dementia Joe. Pretty simple.

However, I don't think Biden's ego will let himself step down and if he did, I don't think any viable candidate is going to step into this shit show. Both scenarios leave Kopmala on the path to lose a humiliating defeat (unless something drastically changes in the next few months) by default, not because she's some progressive darling or in anyway a historically significant candidate that can't be skipped over. Even if those things were true, nearly every presidential election this century has shown that Democrats will manipulate their nomination process to get the candidate they want regardless of what large blocs of their voters think, with my final point being that Kopmala has no large bloc. -- These are my opinions but they are rooted in factual observations.

[garrett]

Going to have to duck out of this discussion only because I have no idea what point you are trying to make. I think both Biden or Harris will lose to Trump at this point. In fact these mystical unannounced Dem candidates will all lose with the lone exception of MO, and she has been clear she is not running. That is of course if the election were held today. You keep referring to the Dems somehow forcing Biden and Harris off the ticket, that your anecdotal stories of knowing how millions of black women feel about Kamala would abandon her for a white candidate is interesting, which I would love to see as it would fracture the party for a decade. I just don't think black women are going to be ok with the first back VP woman being kicked off the ticket for someone white, but that is just me. I don't know any black women more than casually, so I don't have the experiences you may have of sharing political preferences.

It's like the establishment Repubs repeating time and again you know how far Haley would be ahead if she were the nominee? Yeah, but she is not the candidate so why even talk about it is my point. You play the hand you are dealt and right now it's Trump, Biden and Harris. If Reagan were alive he would beat them all, but he is dead. Something could happen that causes an earthquake in the race I don't know I am not that clairvoyant.

I didn't read this post past the first sentence, but you keep giving entirely baseless takes. I honestly don't think you are cherry picking facts either or intentionally ignoring widely known ones, I now believe that you likely just don't know what you are talking about but enjoy pretending that you do. There is a stronger by the day consensus forming on the left that Joe needs to step aside - we can all agree on that. If that were to happen Kopmala would be pressured to get out of the way as she is arguably somehow an even weaker candidate than dementia Joe. Pretty simple.

However, I don't think Biden's ego will let himself step down and if he did, I don't think any viable candidate is going to step into this shit show. Both scenarios leave Kopmala on the path to lose a humiliating defeat (unless something drastically changes in the next few months) by default, not because she's some progressive darling or in anyway a historically significant candidate that can't be skipped over. Even if those things were true, nearly every presidential election this century has shown that Democrats will manipulate their nomination process to get the candidate they want regardless of what large blocs of their voters think, with my final point being that Kopmala has no large bloc. -- These are my opinions but they are rooted in factual observations.

Well Said

[VaughnP]

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[sonatine]

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tines jeaaaaaaaaaaaaalous

[sonatine]

tines jeaaaaaaaaaaaaalous

this is the energy youre putting into the universe? today? on 50 cent's birthday?

[mickeycrimm]

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