Official **** Joe Biden - Donald Trump Debate Thread **** Thursday June 27th

[limitles]

the supreme court just overruled the literal constitution on the limits of what a president can be held accountable for and rape victims cant get abortions. are you being sarcastic?

The first one has been the obvious de facto law forever and the second isn’t really true, rape victims are generally given plan b in all states. Now, that isn’t ideal but that shitshow is offset by Biden’s border fuckup….so let’s call it a tie.

Not even close. De facto is not a term often heard in a court of law for good reason.
A supreme court ruling is not de facto.

Rape victims are generally given plan b? What factors are involved? Which states are
easier on rape victims than others?

How is it some states allow A and others don’t?
Why are nine people allowed to decide for everyone in all states what is correct.

Who thinks allowing one individual absolute immunity is a good idea?

[Dan Druff]

I think people are losing sight of how bad Kamala Harris is/was.

She was once considered the favorite for the 2020 nomination.... only to completely collapse once people heard her speak. She got ruined on stage by Tulsi Gabbard, of all people.

Everything she says and does is cringe. She's got that phony, cackling laugh. She reeks of incompetence. Everyone knows it, including her own party. That's why she quickly fell out of favor in 2019.

She was a diversity pick. Biden knew he was running a close race, and wanted to assure turnout from females and minorities. By picking a half-black female, he checked those boxes.

Kamala wasn't even thought of as the heir apparent to the 2028 nomination. Whether Biden were to win or lose, the names being thrown around for 2028 were Whitmer, Newsom, Beshear, and Shapiro. Not Kamala. She was seen pretty much like a Dick Cheney -- someone never destined to ascend beyond VP. (On a side note, how is Cheney still alive, given his heart issues?)

Kamala is only being discussed now for two reasons:

1) She is the only one who would legally have access to the Biden campaign funds. Anyone else could not use them.

2) Picking someone over her would be messy. If Whitmer were chosen, it would make it look like a race thing. If a male were chosen, it would look like both a race and gender thing. The only one who could replace here would be Michelle Obama, but we see no indication Michelle wants it.


Kamala and Newsom actually have very similar paths and career histories:

- Both received appointments by kissing ass to Willie Brown, who was the most influential '90s politician in California. Kamala kissed more than his ass, of course.

- Both failed at everything they did, yet kept falling upward.

- Both now have a realistic shot at becoming President in the 2020s.


Pretty amazing.

But seriously... if you want to see examples of early incompetence, look for stories about Newsom as San Francisco Mayor, or of Kamala's time as DA. And much of this criticism was from fellow Democrats.

[limitles]

I think people are losing sight of how bad Kamala Harris is/was.

She was once considered the favorite for the 2020 nomination.... only to completely collapse once people heard her speak. She got ruined on stage by Tulsi Gabbard, of all people.

Everything she says and does is cringe. She's got that phony, cackling laugh. She reeks of incompetence. Everyone knows it, including her own party. That's why she quickly fell out of favor in 2019.

She was a diversity pick. Biden knew he was running a close race, and wanted to assure turnout from females and minorities. By picking a half-black female, he checked those boxes.

Kamala wasn't even thought of as the heir apparent to the 2028 nomination. Whether Biden were to win or lose, the names being thrown around for 2028 were Whitmer, Newsom, Beshear, and Shapiro. Not Kamala. She was seen pretty much like a Dick Cheney -- someone never destined to ascend beyond VP. (On a side note, how is Cheney still alive, given his heart issues?)

Kamala is only being discussed now for two reasons:

1) She is the only one who would legally have access to the Biden campaign funds. Anyone else could not use them.

2) Picking someone over her would be messy. If Whitmer were chosen, it would make it look like a race thing. If a male were chosen, it would look like both a race and gender thing. The only one who could replace here would be Michelle Obama, but we see no indication Michelle wants it.


Kamala and Newsom actually have very similar paths and career histories:

- Both received appointments by kissing ass to Willie Brown, who was the most influential '90s politician in California. Kamala kissed more than his ass, of course.

- Both failed at everything they did, yet kept falling upward.

- Both now have a realistic shot at becoming President in the 2020s.


Pretty amazing.

But seriously... if you want to see examples of early incompetence, look for stories about Newsom as San Francisco Mayor, or of Kamala's time as DA. And much of this criticism was from fellow Democrats.

Every scenario is entertained except the reality of electing a felon to office. A sexual abuse conviction will typically see your job application rejected. A felony fraud conviction likewise.
Why change the subject? Your thinking is suspect if you put a convicted felon in high office.

Let’s try this. Elect a convicted felon as president but now allow him total immunity
It won’t happen but this forum lets you know what some people are thinking.

Logically anyone’s record is there to challenge. Bad mistakes, unwise decisions, absolutely.
Fraud and sexual abuse are not mistakes.
Those are intentional actions that are deemed reprehensible. Serious retribution in the form of fines or imprisonment will be faced.
To hear that a court of appointed jurists absolves an elected yahoo from all judgement says enough about them

[Jayjami]

I think people are losing sight of how bad Kamala Harris is/was.

She was once considered the favorite for the 2020 nomination.... only to completely collapse once people heard her speak. She got ruined on stage by Tulsi Gabbard, of all people.

Everything she says and does is cringe. She's got that phony, cackling laugh. She reeks of incompetence. Everyone knows it, including her own party. That's why she quickly fell out of favor in 2019.

She was a diversity pick. Biden knew he was running a close race, and wanted to assure turnout from females and minorities. By picking a half-black female, he checked those boxes.

Kamala wasn't even thought of as the heir apparent to the 2028 nomination. Whether Biden were to win or lose, the names being thrown around for 2028 were Whitmer, Newsom, Beshear, and Shapiro. Not Kamala. She was seen pretty much like a Dick Cheney -- someone never destined to ascend beyond VP. (On a side note, how is Cheney still alive, given his heart issues?)

Kamala is only being discussed now for two reasons:

1) She is the only one who would legally have access to the Biden campaign funds. Anyone else could not use them.

2) Picking someone over her would be messy. If Whitmer were chosen, it would make it look like a race thing. If a male were chosen, it would look like both a race and gender thing. The only one who could replace here would be Michelle Obama, but we see no indication Michelle wants it.


Kamala and Newsom actually have very similar paths and career histories:

- Both received appointments by kissing ass to Willie Brown, who was the most influential '90s politician in California. Kamala kissed more than his ass, of course.

- Both failed at everything they did, yet kept falling upward.

- Both now have a realistic shot at becoming President in the 2020s.


Pretty amazing.

But seriously... if you want to see examples of early incompetence, look for stories about Newsom as San Francisco Mayor, or of Kamala's time as DA. And much of this criticism was from fellow Democrats.

This is spot on. Willie Brown was a brilliant legislator though, but his blatant womanizing might get him “cancelled” today. After he got termed out, he was the last good mayor of San Francisco. All downhill since then. BTW, term limits were enacted by the people specifically because Wille had a stranglehold on California politics.

[limitles]

I think people are losing sight of how bad Kamala Harris is/was.

She was once considered the favorite for the 2020 nomination.... only to completely collapse once people heard her speak. She got ruined on stage by Tulsi Gabbard, of all people.

Everything she says and does is cringe. She's got that phony, cackling laugh. She reeks of incompetence. Everyone knows it, including her own party. That's why she quickly fell out of favor in 2019.

She was a diversity pick. Biden knew he was running a close race, and wanted to assure turnout from females and minorities. By picking a half-black female, he checked those boxes.

Kamala wasn't even thought of as the heir apparent to the 2028 nomination. Whether Biden were to win or lose, the names being thrown around for 2028 were Whitmer, Newsom, Beshear, and Shapiro. Not Kamala. She was seen pretty much like a Dick Cheney -- someone never destined to ascend beyond VP. (On a side note, how is Cheney still alive, given his heart issues?)

Kamala is only being discussed now for two reasons:

1) She is the only one who would legally have access to the Biden campaign funds. Anyone else could not use them.

2) Picking someone over her would be messy. If Whitmer were chosen, it would make it look like a race thing. If a male were chosen, it would look like both a race and gender thing. The only one who could replace here would be Michelle Obama, but we see no indication Michelle wants it.


Kamala and Newsom actually have very similar paths and career histories:

- Both received appointments by kissing ass to Willie Brown, who was the most influential '90s politician in California. Kamala kissed more than his ass, of course.

- Both failed at everything they did, yet kept falling upward.

- Both now have a realistic shot at becoming President in the 2020s.


Pretty amazing.

But seriously... if you want to see examples of early incompetence, look for stories about Newsom as San Francisco Mayor, or of Kamala's time as DA. And much of this criticism was from fellow Democrats.

This is spot on. Willie Brown was a brilliant legislator though, but his blatant womanizing might get him “cancelled” today. After he got termed out, he was the last good mayor of San Francisco. All downhill since then. BTW, term limits were enacted by the people specifically because Wille had a stranglehold on California politics.

Key for phoney egotistical career advancement at all costs politicians is to avoid criminal convictions.
Some voters will draw a line.
Hold it, term limits came about in the 1990’s?
A good lesson nonetheless. The supreme court has pointed to a problem needing fixing

[VaughnP]

I think people are losing sight of how bad Kamala Harris is/was.

She was once considered the favorite for the 2020 nomination.... only to completely collapse once people heard her speak. She got ruined on stage by Tulsi Gabbard, of all people.

Everything she says and does is cringe. She's got that phony, cackling laugh. She reeks of incompetence. Everyone knows it, including her own party. That's why she quickly fell out of favor in 2019.

She was a diversity pick. Biden knew he was running a close race, and wanted to assure turnout from females and minorities. By picking a half-black female, he checked those boxes.

Kamala wasn't even thought of as the heir apparent to the 2028 nomination. Whether Biden were to win or lose, the names being thrown around for 2028 were Whitmer, Newsom, Beshear, and Shapiro. Not Kamala. She was seen pretty much like a Dick Cheney -- someone never destined to ascend beyond VP. (On a side note, how is Cheney still alive, given his heart issues?)

Kamala is only being discussed now for two reasons:

1) She is the only one who would legally have access to the Biden campaign funds. Anyone else could not use them.

2) Picking someone over her would be messy. If Whitmer were chosen, it would make it look like a race thing. If a male were chosen, it would look like both a race and gender thing. The only one who could replace here would be Michelle Obama, but we see no indication Michelle wants it.


Kamala and Newsom actually have very similar paths and career histories:

- Both received appointments by kissing ass to Willie Brown, who was the most influential '90s politician in California. Kamala kissed more than his ass, of course.

- Both failed at everything they did, yet kept falling upward.

- Both now have a realistic shot at becoming President in the 2020s.


Pretty amazing.

But seriously... if you want to see examples of early incompetence, look for stories about Newsom as San Francisco Mayor, or of Kamala's time as DA. And much of this criticism was from fellow Democrats.

I skimmed Tgull's and others posts in this thread. Kamala is by every metric the least popular VP in modern history. The damage she would do if made the nominee would far outweigh any if she were replaced.

To Tgull and others, in what Universe is Kamala anywhere as beloved or as popular a candidate among progressives as Bernie was at his peak? Did him getting railroaded twice affect the party at all? There will be some backlash if she is skipped over, but it will easily be explained away that she's not a viable candidate, which most people already know.

Out of the roughly 250 million Biden has in campaign funds, best estimates are that only 100 million or so is directly in his control, the rest is with the DNC and super PACs. The money controlled by the DNC and the PACs can of course be used to support any replacement, and Biden can simply donate his campaign funds to the DNC.

[VaughnP]

I should point out that I don't believe Biden is going to step down as the nominee.

[Sanlmar]

@tgull

you breaking out a separate thread for the Stephanopoulos Biden interview? The interview is in response to the debate so it really is just an extension

haven’t yet created my own decision tree on the veracity of this event.

from the late stage empire files:

That most parents would rather their children not pursue political office marks a considerable change from 25 years ago. In 1995, surveys found nearly a third of Americans would be pleased if their son sought public office, while just over a quarter would be happy if their daughter became a politician.

[limitles]

I think people are losing sight of how bad Kamala Harris is/was.

She was once considered the favorite for the 2020 nomination.... only to completely collapse once people heard her speak. She got ruined on stage by Tulsi Gabbard, of all people.

Everything she says and does is cringe. She's got that phony, cackling laugh. She reeks of incompetence. Everyone knows it, including her own party. That's why she quickly fell out of favor in 2019.

She was a diversity pick. Biden knew he was running a close race, and wanted to assure turnout from females and minorities. By picking a half-black female, he checked those boxes.

Kamala wasn't even thought of as the heir apparent to the 2028 nomination. Whether Biden were to win or lose, the names being thrown around for 2028 were Whitmer, Newsom, Beshear, and Shapiro. Not Kamala. She was seen pretty much like a Dick Cheney -- someone never destined to ascend beyond VP. (On a side note, how is Cheney still alive, given his heart issues?)

Kamala is only being discussed now for two reasons:

1) She is the only one who would legally have access to the Biden campaign funds. Anyone else could not use them.

2) Picking someone over her would be messy. If Whitmer were chosen, it would make it look like a race thing. If a male were chosen, it would look like both a race and gender thing. The only one who could replace here would be Michelle Obama, but we see no indication Michelle wants it.


Kamala and Newsom actually have very similar paths and career histories:

- Both received appointments by kissing ass to Willie Brown, who was the most influential '90s politician in California. Kamala kissed more than his ass, of course.

- Both failed at everything they did, yet kept falling upward.

- Both now have a realistic shot at becoming President in the 2020s.


Pretty amazing.

But seriously... if you want to see examples of early incompetence, look for stories about Newsom as San Francisco Mayor, or of Kamala's time as DA. And much of this criticism was from fellow Democrats.

I skimmed Tgull's and others posts in this thread. Kamala is by every metric the least popular VP in modern history. The damage she would do if made the nominee would far outweigh any if she were replaced.

To Tgull and others, in what Universe is Kamala anywhere as beloved or as popular a candidate among progressives as Bernie was at his peak? Did him getting railroaded twice affect the party at all? There will be some backlash if she is skipped over, but it will easily be explained away that she's not a viable candidate, which most people already know.

Out of the roughly 250 million Biden has in campaign funds, best estimates are that only 100 million or so is directly in his control, the rest is with the DNC and super PACs. The money controlled by the DNC and the PACs can of course be used to support any replacement, and Biden can simply donate his campaign funds to the DNC.

Think of who will pick up the pieces after Trump runs the GOP and the justice system into the ground.
You really should consider and prepare for this. Followers will be dismissed.

[mickeycrimm]

I think people are losing sight of how bad Kamala Harris is/was.

She was once considered the favorite for the 2020 nomination.... only to completely collapse once people heard her speak. She got ruined on stage by Tulsi Gabbard, of all people.

Everything she says and does is cringe. She's got that phony, cackling laugh. She reeks of incompetence. Everyone knows it, including her own party. That's why she quickly fell out of favor in 2019.

She was a diversity pick. Biden knew he was running a close race, and wanted to assure turnout from females and minorities. By picking a half-black female, he checked those boxes.

Kamala wasn't even thought of as the heir apparent to the 2028 nomination. Whether Biden were to win or lose, the names being thrown around for 2028 were Whitmer, Newsom, Beshear, and Shapiro. Not Kamala. She was seen pretty much like a Dick Cheney -- someone never destined to ascend beyond VP. (On a side note, how is Cheney still alive, given his heart issues?)

Kamala is only being discussed now for two reasons:

1) She is the only one who would legally have access to the Biden campaign funds. Anyone else could not use them.

2) Picking someone over her would be messy. If Whitmer were chosen, it would make it look like a race thing. If a male were chosen, it would look like both a race and gender thing. The only one who could replace here would be Michelle Obama, but we see no indication Michelle wants it.


Kamala and Newsom actually have very similar paths and career histories:

- Both received appointments by kissing ass to Willie Brown, who was the most influential '90s politician in California. Kamala kissed more than his ass, of course.

- Both failed at everything they did, yet kept falling upward.

- Both now have a realistic shot at becoming President in the 2020s.


Pretty amazing.

But seriously... if you want to see examples of early incompetence, look for stories about Newsom as San Francisco Mayor, or of Kamala's time as DA. And much of this criticism was from fellow Democrats.

Every scenario is entertained except the reality of electing a felon to office. A sexual abuse conviction will typically see your job application rejected. A felony fraud conviction likewise.
Why change the subject? Your thinking is suspect if you put a convicted felon in high office.

Let’s try this. Elect a convicted felon as president but now allow him total immunity
It won’t happen but this forum lets you know what some people are thinking.

Logically anyone’s record is there to challenge. Bad mistakes, unwise decisions, absolutely.
Fraud and sexual abuse are not mistakes.
Those are intentional actions that are deemed reprehensible. Serious retribution in the form of fines or imprisonment will be faced.
To hear that a court of appointed jurists absolves an elected yahoo from all judgement says enough about them

I'm voting for the convicted felon. Les, which do you prefer, "Laffin' Kamala" or "Kacklin' Kamala?"

[tgull]

I think people are losing sight of how bad Kamala Harris is/was.

She was once considered the favorite for the 2020 nomination.... only to completely collapse once people heard her speak. She got ruined on stage by Tulsi Gabbard, of all people.

Everything she says and does is cringe. She's got that phony, cackling laugh. She reeks of incompetence. Everyone knows it, including her own party. That's why she quickly fell out of favor in 2019.

She was a diversity pick. Biden knew he was running a close race, and wanted to assure turnout from females and minorities. By picking a half-black female, he checked those boxes.

Kamala wasn't even thought of as the heir apparent to the 2028 nomination. Whether Biden were to win or lose, the names being thrown around for 2028 were Whitmer, Newsom, Beshear, and Shapiro. Not Kamala. She was seen pretty much like a Dick Cheney -- someone never destined to ascend beyond VP. (On a side note, how is Cheney still alive, given his heart issues?)

Kamala is only being discussed now for two reasons:

1) She is the only one who would legally have access to the Biden campaign funds. Anyone else could not use them.

2) Picking someone over her would be messy. If Whitmer were chosen, it would make it look like a race thing. If a male were chosen, it would look like both a race and gender thing. The only one who could replace here would be Michelle Obama, but we see no indication Michelle wants it.


Kamala and Newsom actually have very similar paths and career histories:

- Both received appointments by kissing ass to Willie Brown, who was the most influential '90s politician in California. Kamala kissed more than his ass, of course.

- Both failed at everything they did, yet kept falling upward.

- Both now have a realistic shot at becoming President in the 2020s.


Pretty amazing.

But seriously... if you want to see examples of early incompetence, look for stories about Newsom as San Francisco Mayor, or of Kamala's time as DA. And much of this criticism was from fellow Democrats.

I skimmed Tgull's and others posts in this thread. Kamala is by every metric the least popular VP in modern history. The damage she would do if made the nominee would far outweigh any if she were replaced.

To Tgull and others, in what Universe is Kamala anywhere as beloved or as popular a candidate among progressives as Bernie was at his peak? Did him getting railroaded twice affect the party at all? There will be some backlash if she is skipped over, but it will easily be explained away that she's not a viable candidate, which most people already know.

Out of the roughly 250 million Biden has in campaign funds, best estimates are that only 100 million or so is directly in his control, the rest is with the DNC and super PACs. The money controlled by the DNC and the PACs can of course be used to support any replacement, and Biden can simply donate his campaign funds to the DNC.

That is just not true. Dick Cheney left office at an approval rating of 13% and was routinely in the 20s at the height of the Iraq war. Not sure what Dan Quayle was polling but I doubt he ever got out of the 30s.

Governors are generally obscure outside their own state. Gavin Newsome is universally despised in CA, I can't see how he would play positively in any battleground state. He would simply be portrayed at a CA liberal, which he is. Whitmer, looks like a billboard of botox and is a self proclaimed feminist. Here again, outside of MI she would have zero name recognition. I am not even sure she would carry MI.

I just don't see any scenario where the Democratic leadership is going to boot Kamala to the side and bring in some white guy or woman. In fact a white woman would be a bigger slap in the face to Kamala. I really don't care what they do tbh. If I were a top advisor to them I would tell them to make a decision either way within a week. You get into August, it simply is going to be too late to introduce a ticket, all the ad space would be taken up. People forget most people follow politics on the fringe. Very few people watch cable news especially undecideds.

[Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe]

what if someone came into this thread snd started staying n-word and kike would that ruin the thread

[Sanlmar]

I have joined the Kamala facts army as of this poll.

We were sitting on the deck last night. It got quiet and the wife brought up Biden just for conversation. We don’t watch the evening cable news together anymore and almost never discuss politics. These are extraordinary times so exceptions

I told her what I knew/thought

I mentioned Michelle Obama and she went off. “I LOVE MICHELLE”. She went on and on. I was stunned. Never seen her like that. Never knew. Oprah was mentioned too between breaths. Thought she was gonna need oxygen.

My wife is easily a couch person come November 5th. I sense the wife hold a Michelle sign in the rain if she announced. Old lady is absolutely a political neurotypical so there you go


DK = Don’t Know.

Newsom and Whitmer have too much DK for this late date.

You can’t fight the math. The betting markets bear out Kamala too.

That Michelle would crush Trump and my frightening exchange with the wife leaves me amazed.

I still hold my +700 “any other candidate than Biden” from April so I have some pride but jeez.

[VaughnP]

I skimmed Tgull's and others posts in this thread. Kamala is by every metric the least popular VP in modern history. The damage she would do if made the nominee would far outweigh any if she were replaced.

To Tgull and others, in what Universe is Kamala anywhere as beloved or as popular a candidate among progressives as Bernie was at his peak? Did him getting railroaded twice affect the party at all? There will be some backlash if she is skipped over, but it will easily be explained away that she's not a viable candidate, which most people already know.

Out of the roughly 250 million Biden has in campaign funds, best estimates are that only 100 million or so is directly in his control, the rest is with the DNC and super PACs. The money controlled by the DNC and the PACs can of course be used to support any replacement, and Biden can simply donate his campaign funds to the DNC.

That is just not true. Dick Cheney left office at an approval rating of 13% and was routinely in the 20s at the height of the Iraq war. Not sure what Dan Quayle was polling but I doubt he ever got out of the 30s.

Governors are generally obscure outside their own state. Gavin Newsome is universally despised in CA, I can't see how he would play positively in any battleground state. He would simply be portrayed at a CA liberal, which he is. Whitmer, looks like a billboard of botox and is a self proclaimed feminist. Here again, outside of MI she would have zero name recognition. I am not even sure she would carry MI.

I just don't see any scenario where the Democratic leadership is going to boot Kamala to the side and bring in some white guy or woman. In fact a white woman would be a bigger slap in the face to Kamala. I really don't care what they do tbh. If I were a top advisor to them I would tell them to make a decision either way within a week. You get into August, it simply is going to be too late to introduce a ticket, all the ad space would be taken up. People forget most people follow politics on the fringe. Very few people watch cable news especially undecideds.

Your analysis is wrong. Kamala will likely not see a 7th and 8th year like Cheney did, and at no point did she ever reach or maintain his peak approval ratings - it's not comparable. Also, please cite these 13% approval ratings.

[limitles]

Every scenario is entertained except the reality of electing a felon to office. A sexual abuse conviction will typically see your job application rejected. A felony fraud conviction likewise.
Why change the subject? Your thinking is suspect if you put a convicted felon in high office.

Let’s try this. Elect a convicted felon as president but now allow him total immunity
It won’t happen but this forum lets you know what some people are thinking.

Logically anyone’s record is there to challenge. Bad mistakes, unwise decisions, absolutely.
Fraud and sexual abuse are not mistakes.
Those are intentional actions that are deemed reprehensible. Serious retribution in the form of fines or imprisonment will be faced.
To hear that a court of appointed jurists absolves an elected yahoo from all judgement says enough about them

I'm voting for the convicted felon. Les, which do you prefer, "Laffin' Kamala" or "Kacklin' Kamala?"

I’m writing in Pence for King as borders are now irrelevant.
Pence has maintained a neat crew cut and he’s a smarty

[tgull]

Taking a snapshot pf Dick Cheney 18 months after 9-11 and right around the Iraq and Afghan invasions is somewhat disingenuous. The country always rallies around political figures initially going into wars. I am not sure your point though. Most people don't give a shit who the VP is, in fact most people can never name them when pressed. Unless there is a shock to the system its either Biden or Harris. The betting markets agree with that. I'd say there is a less than a 10% chance it's anyone else.

Cheney ended his vice presidential tenure as a deeply unpopular figure in American politics with an approval rating of 13 percent. His peak approval rating in the wake of the September 11 attacks was 68 percent.

[garrett]

Taking a snapshot pf Dick Cheney 18 months after 9-11 and right around the Iraq and Afghan invasions is somewhat disingenuous. The country always rallies around political figures initially going into wars. I am not sure your point though. Most people don't give a shit who the VP is, in fact most people can never name them when pressed. Unless there is a shock to the system its either Biden or Harris. The betting markets agree with that. I'd say there is a less than a 10% chance it's anyone else.

Cheney ended his vice presidential tenure as a deeply unpopular figure in American politics with an approval rating of 13 percent. His peak approval rating in the wake of the September 11 attacks was 68 percent.

9/11 gave Bush the son a chance to finish the job many felt his father Bush Senior did not finish. Got to the edge of Baghdad and never overtook the city. Bush Jr overtook Baghdad and in some regard finish the job that his father did not in some people's eyes.

[Texter]

The first one has been the obvious de facto law forever and the second isn’t really true, rape victims are generally given plan b in all states. Now, that isn’t ideal but that shitshow is offset by Biden’s border fuckup….so let’s call it a tie.

Not even close. De facto is not a term often heard in a court of law for good reason.
A supreme court ruling is not de facto.

Rape victims are generally given plan b? What factors are involved? Which states are
easier on rape victims than others?

How is it some states allow A and others don’t?
Why are nine people allowed to decide for everyone in all states what is correct.

Who thinks allowing one individual absolute immunity is a good idea?

At least the supremes are 9 people, executive orders are 1.

There is no absolute immunity, President is immune if doing their constitutionally mandated job….he can’t just kick someone in the balls because they feel like it.

[VaughnP]

Taking a snapshot pf Dick Cheney 18 months after 9-11 and right around the Iraq and Afghan invasions is somewhat disingenuous. The country always rallies around political figures initially going into wars. I am not sure your point though. Most people don't give a shit who the VP is, in fact most people can never name them when pressed. Unless there is a shock to the system its either Biden or Harris. The betting markets agree with that. I'd say there is a less than a 10% chance it's anyone else.

Cheney ended his vice presidential tenure as a deeply unpopular figure in American politics with an approval rating of 13 percent. His peak approval rating in the wake of the September 11 attacks was 68 percent.

What poll is this from? How long after 9/11 was his fourth year in office? How unpopular were the Iraq and Afghanistan wars at this time?

I'm not sure why you are having such a hard time understanding that Kamala has way less of a chance than Joe. If Joe is going to drop out she will be pressured into deciding not to take his place. She was one of weakest candidateson either side in the 2020 primaries, the weakest I've seen that was given any platform in my lifetime, and despite what you might think, she has been widely ridiculed among black folks. She still is.

[tgull]

Taking a snapshot pf Dick Cheney 18 months after 9-11 and right around the Iraq and Afghan invasions is somewhat disingenuous. The country always rallies around political figures initially going into wars. I am not sure your point though. Most people don't give a shit who the VP is, in fact most people can never name them when pressed. Unless there is a shock to the system its either Biden or Harris. The betting markets agree with that. I'd say there is a less than a 10% chance it's anyone else.

Cheney ended his vice presidential tenure as a deeply unpopular figure in American politics with an approval rating of 13 percent. His peak approval rating in the wake of the September 11 attacks was 68 percent.

What poll is this from? How long after 9/11 was his fourth year in office? How unpopular were the Iraq and Afghanistan wars at this time?

I'm not sure why you are having such a hard time understanding that Kamala has way less of a chance than Joe. If Joe is going to drop out she will be pressured into deciding not to take his place. She was one of weakest candidateson either side in the 2020 primaries, the weakest I've seen that was given any platform in my lifetime, and despite what you might think, she has been widely ridiculed among black folks. She still is.

Going to have to duck out of this discussion only because I have no idea what point you are trying to make. I think both Biden or Harris will lose to Trump at this point. In fact these mystical unannounced Dem candidates will all lose with the lone exception of MO, and she has been clear she is not running. That is of course if the election were held today. You keep referring to the Dems somehow forcing Biden and Harris off the ticket, that your anecdotal stories of knowing how millions of black women feel about Kamala would abandon her for a white candidate is interesting, which I would love to see as it would fracture the party for a decade. I just don't think black women are going to be ok with the first back VP woman being kicked off the ticket for someone white, but that is just me. I don't know any black women more than casually, so I don't have the experiences you may have of sharing political preferences.

It's like the establishment Repubs repeating time and again you know how far Haley would be ahead if she were the nominee? Yeah, but she is not the candidate so why even talk about it is my point. You play the hand you are dealt and right now its Trump, Biden and Harris. If Reagan were alive he would beat them all, but he is dead. Something could happen that causes an earthquake in the race I don't know I am not that clairvoyant.