Originally Posted by
Sanlmar
Egyptians, Mossad, etc etc. wasn’t complete surprise but lets make this work for us, shall we?
Hamas was an excuse to cancel any further two state discussion.
Sacrifice bishop.
San, I really respect your insights and ability to think clearly on these types of topics, but I think this type of thinking is a real mistake. Pulling back and going the isolationist route would be a very large mistake right now IMO. I admit I dont see the path forward clearly, but if we pulled out and "left Israel on their own" it would create a huge power vacuum in the ME for Iran/China/Russia to exploit, and the chance of things escalating into something much more serious, that would draw us back in anyways, would increase dramatically.
At the end of the day, our relationship with Saudi and the petro dollar is the primary driver of our economic empire, and our support for Israel is tied into this, and it would be tremendously bad for us as a country, and for the stability of the whole world, to pull out now.
I think it would be a mistake to think there was some intricate plan on Israel's part here, when incompetence is a much more likely explanation. The Netanyahu administration was incompetent, was distracted with setters in the West Bank, and Hamas caught them unawares. And once 10/7 happened, I am not sure Israel really had another path. Anything less would make them appear too weak, and would enable Iran and its proxies too much. For good or bad, Israel showing that it is willing to go scorched Earth, and us moving the military hardware we have into the region, I think has really caused Iran/Hezbollah to think twice about joining the fray, and limited how bad this could escalate.
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